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1421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 23, 2014, 12:17:52 AM

Resorting to ad hominem attacks does not help your cause. Your claim is the equivalent of me saying "nutildah rapes panda bears", and when pressed for a source saying "oh well I heard it whispered in the crowd at the Convention for Pathological Liars." I have no fundamental issue with you making a terribly bold and terribly false claim, but I'd prefer it if you at least tried to legitimise it by backing it up with a reference or two. You now, to try give your obvious falsehood some legs. I am left to decipher your claim, where you could've had instead made it, you know, scientific and rational.

Now you're calling me a liar?

Seriously, go fuck yourself you bored wasteman.

Get a job, get a hobby, get a life, do something other than tell me I didn't see what I saw.

Dumb asshole.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to resort to further ad hominem attacks and a litany of swearing punctuated by vitriol?

This is not a complicated request. You claimed that "there [are] too many random people all mindlessly slobbering over [Monero] in a desperate attempt to fool others into taking their bag". I asked for you to back that claim up. I was expecting a link to some Bitcointalk or Reddit posts filled with memes, "to the moon" comments, and other silly behaviour that could be called "mindless slobbering". Instead, you told me to spend 5 minutes on a chat system called the "troll box" that has nothing to do with Monero.

1422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 23, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
You said I should look at the Poloniex trollbox. That's disingenuous, is not a credible source, and certainly does not contain any officially sanctioned information from members of the core team.

Again, you state that mindless slobbering exists, so link me to the mindless slobbering over Monero on Reddit or Bitcointalk. You made a claim, I'm asking for a citation, just like Wikipedia does: [citation needed]

Jesus Christ Pal you are such a fucking troll.

I'm sorry you don't count Poloniex as a valid source of information. I don't give a fucking shit.

You asked me where I saw people mindlessly slobbering over Monero, so I told you.

Now go fuck yourself.

Resorting to ad hominem attacks does not help your cause. Your claim is the equivalent of me saying "nutildah rapes panda bears", and when pressed for a source saying "oh well I heard it whispered in the crowd at the Convention for Pathological Liars." I have no fundamental issue with you making a terribly bold and terribly false claim, but I'd prefer it if you at least tried to legitimise it by backing it up with a reference or two. You now, to try give your obvious falsehood some legs.
1423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 22, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
until released open-source, it is vaporware.

It has been open source the whole time. The ongoing work can be tracked on github.


sorry, i didn't realize it was in the master already.

We announced it as part of the Monero Missive 10 days ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7847156#msg7847156. The Github branch was linked to in that announcement.

Same goes for proper daemonisation/service architecture of the daemon and rpcwallet: https://github.com/mikezackles/bitmonero/tree/daemonize_wip

Same goes for the QoS system to reduce bandwidth hammering: https://github.com/rfree2monero/bitmonero/tree/dev-rfree

All of those have been mentioned in the Missives and the repos have been linked. There's no point in hiding the code. The more eyes on it, the better.
1424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 11:35:45 PM
I kind of want Bytecoin or Boolberry to become the dominant CN coin, just to see the arrogant Monero proponents get a comeuppance.

I can't speak for proponents outside of the core team, but speaking as one of the 7 members of the core team I can assure you that we do not wish to be arrogant. Of course we believe in the fundamentals of the underlying technology (see our CryptoNote whitepaper review), and in the changes that have been made and continue to be made to the Monero codebase. We would be silly not to:)

But we do not believe - on any level - that we are infallible, that the technology is infallible, or that any of the other contributors will submit code that is infallible. Our "mission statement", so to speak, is simple: create something private, secure, and valuable that everyone can use.

If we overstep those lines, please point it out to us, and we will do everything in our power to ensure that any arrogance is corrected immediately and does not happen in future. Any pointers you would be able to provide would, of course, be extremely appreciated.
1425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
You just want to argue with me, don't you?

No, I'd just like you to point out the mindless slobbering you state exists.

No, you're wrong. You really do just want to argue with me. Because I already pointed it out to you.

You said I should look at the Poloniex trollbox. That's disingenuous, is not a credible source, and certainly does not contain any officially sanctioned information from members of the core team.

Again, you state that mindless slobbering exists, so link me to the mindless slobbering over Monero on Reddit or Bitcointalk. You made a claim, I'm asking for a citation, just like Wikipedia does: [citation needed]
1426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Looking for a good Monero Developer to talk with. on: July 22, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
There are quite a few in IRC on #monero-dev on Freenode. Ping me with specifics if you don't come right and I'll recommend someone to you.
1427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] rpietila Monero Economics thread on: July 22, 2014, 11:07:06 PM
Any ideas around the stake of the dev team as a whole?

Obviously tough to get a big share with XMR but I know some of them like TacoTime got some really cheap early buys.

Glad that the community is supporting those guys committing time to the project.

We all got some early mining or buying done, but we also sold to cover costs early on. I'm quite fine with being transparent, and we've occasionally spoken amongst ourselves about our respective "stash" (although the "make our stash worth more" context has been notably lacking). Including myself, I would guess that we collectively have substantially less than 50 000 XMR, probably closer to 30 000 XMR between the 7 of us.
1428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XDN] duckNote [ANN]. CryptoNote based. Anonymous and CPU only. on: July 22, 2014, 11:01:48 PM
I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd
1429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
You just want to argue with me, don't you?

No, I'd just like you to point out the mindless slobbering you state exists.
1430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Hang out in the Poloniex trollbox for 5 minutes.

I'd rather die a painful death that involves torture of some sort. Anything called a "trollbox" should not be used as a measure of anything important, least of all the technical merits of something that involves a deep understanding of both mathematics and cryptography.
1431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 07:41:21 PM
We didn't create it, we inherited it from the CryptoNote reference code. All optimisations we've made to it are public and in master on github.

It had world's slowest AES implementation in git for a month, before someone bothered to add AES-NI support.
Why did you not have AES-NI from day one?

How? thankful_for_today forked and launched it, everyone that played around with it from very early on (myself included) solo mined on the miner that came with it. It took some time to even figure out how all the moving pieces in the code fit together, much less begin to grok it. Only after all of that could any optimisations happen, and that was LONG before we added AES-NI support (which was a complete PITA). Remember: at the time it was code we inherited, not code we wrote.
1432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
will fade away like everything else, the price is already high, no room to grow, and i don't like the name...

Plus anytime there is too many random people all mindlessly slobbering over the same coin in a desperate attempt to fool others into taking their bag, I stay away from that coin. Never bought a single XMR for that reason, and its paid off well.

The signal-to-noise ratio with XMR is extremely, extremely high. I'd love for you to point to the "mindless slobbering" you've noticed, because I'm not seeing it.
1433  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 05:56:31 PM
yeah its alway the same gag - "no one has shown the ability......"

A GPU device is essentially a packaged simplified "PC" its a;  Processor, Ram and Electricity, the market won't keep falling for the same gag.

next question:

Whats wrong with GPU's? 

The latest complex algos and the future ones will all be more or less minable on a broad range of old and new devices - CPU and GPU  this is as close to "egalitarian" as you will get. (even though that is a really retarded word to use.) (i know its not yours)

its just a free market finding equilibrium, that is all it is.

It's not a "gag" at all - unless you're incredibly familiar with the code and its technical merits, or lack thereof, I don't think it's appropriate to speak to its value.

Here's what Dave Andersen, an associate professor in the CS department at Carnegie Mellon, had to say about it:

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The algorithm is *not* complex, it's very simple.  Grab a random-indexed 128 bit value from the big lookup table.  Mix it using a single round of AES.  Store part of the result back.  Use that to index the next item.  Mix that with a 64 bit multiply.  Store back.  Repeat.  It's intellectually very close to scrypt, with a few tweaks to take advantage of things that are fast on modern CPUs.

Claymore has no fundamental advantage beyond lots of memory bandwidth and compute.  His results are actually slightly slower than what is achievable on a GPU with no algorithmic magic -- compare Claymore's speeds to tsiv's for nvidia and extrapolate another 10%-20% due to slightly better code.

Remember that there are two ways to implement the CryptoNight algorithm:
  (1) Try to fit a few copies in cache and pound the hell out of them;
  (2) Fit a lot of copies in DRAM and use a lot of bandwidth.

Approach (1) is what's being done on CPUs.  Approach (2) is what's being done on GPUs.  I tried implementing #2 on CPU and couldn't get it to perform as well as my back-of-the-envelope analysis suggests it should, but it's possible it could outperform the current CPU implementations by about 20%.  (I believe yvg1900 tried something similar and came to the same conclusion I did).  An ASIC approach might well be better off with #2, however, but it simply moves the bottleneck to the memory controller, and it's a hard engineering job compared to building an AES unit, a 64 bit multiplier, and 2MB of DRAM.  But that 2MB of DRAM area limits you in a big way.

In my best professional opinion, barring funky weaknesses lingering within the single round of AES, CryptoNight is a very solid PoW.  Its only real disadvantage is comparatively slow verification time, which really hurts the time to download and verify the blockchain.
1434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 04:16:54 PM
After testing the "--restore-deterministic-wallet" on windows, i lost some transactions.
I re-download the blockchain but only the last transactions appear.

What is the problem?


(save Bitmonero Appdata on usb storage)

Move wallet.bin somewhere else other than the appdata folder and rerun your wallet.

Then press refresh and wait

That won't solve it - the address of the wallet creation is serialised and stored in the .keys file, and it only rescans from there. We've fixed this quite a while back, though:)
1435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 04:15:57 PM
After testing the "--restore-deterministic-wallet" on windows, i lost some transactions.
I re-download the blockchain but only the last transactions appear.

What is the problem?


There was a bug in an older version of simplewallet where a restore will only scan blocks from 24 hours before the restore. Are you using the most recent version? We may have to put new binaries out for Windows if the patch isn't in the latest.
1436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 09:28:26 AM
Yeah (I read that before) and Claymore is earning (up to) 5% of all the coins apparently with some proprietary insight. Hmmm. As a programmer, makes you wonder doesn't it.

So Rpietila said he would never invest in a coin with a premine (not even 1% for the core developers?), yet Claymore is taking 5% of the universe?

This should be a how-to-guide take 5% of the universe by releasing some public CryptoNite specification anonymously and pretending to be doing it for noble reasons. Of course this doesn't necessarily implicate the Monero developers, since (if) they didn't create CryptoNite. And this is of course speculation.

We didn't create it, we inherited it from the CryptoNote reference code. All optimisations we've made to it are public and in master on github.

Claymore has a Win64 AMD *only* miner, locking out all the serious miners who typically use Linux. He has the option to disable the fee:

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-nofee: set "1" to cancel my developer fee at all. In this mode some recent optimizations are disabled so mining speed will be slower by about 10%.
   By enabling this mode, I will lose 100% of my earnings, you will lose only 5% of your earnings.
   So you have a choice: "fastest miner" or "completely free miner but a bit slower".
   If you want both "fastest" and "completely free" you should find some other miner that meets your requirements, just don't use this miner instead of claiming that I need
   to cancel/reduce developer fee, saying that 5% developer fee is too much for this miner and so on.

Over and above that, the most optimised cpuminer-multi is available on Github, and for those mining on Nvidia cards, ccminer-cryptonight is also available on Github. The last one is particularly relevant, as a large portion of GPU miners began moving away from AMD when the GTX 750 ti was released (massive power savings over AMD cards).
1437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 08:53:21 AM
There is much more that has to be investigated and I can find nearly nothing on Monero's proof-of-work hash. No benchmarking. No detailed whitepaper. Nothing but the source code.

We have the same issue with the CryptoNight PoW algorithm. To quote the initial CryptoNote whitepaper review we've released:

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It's absolutely unconscionable to to come up with a new "Proof of Work Algorithm" and then refrain from including any sort of pseudocode to describe that algorithm. Upon which. Your entire. Coin. Is. Based. Ugh.
1438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 08:12:57 AM
Who says monero is Litecoin, perhaps it's fairbrix or geist geld? That big ol' botnet ravaged blockchain and command line interface won't be adopted by aunt gemima on her aging HP anytime soon.. Grin On a serious note.. agreed, it is the most like LTC of current crypto-note crop, but who knows .. anything can happen.

There was a time Litecoin had a purpose (aside from being able to mine btc and ltc simultaneously), the reason I personally brought and mined it from 2011 was to escape BTC's forthcoming ASIC centralisation, with LTC initially almost everyone (Aside from few insiders) was on level playing ground- 1 cpu 1 vote.
but that point is long moot and I agree it offers no tangible benefit over BTC now.

I'm curious why you think BBR is a clone of XMR with 'marketing gimmick's' still however. Was it not envisioned /announced at the same time, if not earlier than XMR independently? Do you think this altcoin section has more marketing exposure to BBR than XMR? Do you really believe boolberrys alterations to vanilla cryptonote are nothing more than gimmicks to reel in a quick pump?

If you want my personal opinion, I think that CryptoZoidberg (the developer on BBR) is very competent and has deep technical knowledge. We have a good relationship with him, and where there are things that are implemented in BBR that we can use, and vice versa, we merge and credit the other party. So far we're sitting quite even at around 3 commits each that are directly from XMR in BBR or from BBR in XMR. I think that's a healthy relationship, and will only be of benefit to both cryptocurrencies.
1439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 21, 2014, 10:41:17 PM
gotta say. i am kind of proud i initiated this top.

even thought it started as a satire to my complain of too many topics, it proved exactly my point. Hoping to get as much exposure as you can any ways necessary except the proper way. sound pretty weak.keep licking the honey pot prematurely.  good luck with that though.

Your metaphor makes no sense. If it's a honey pot and you got in early (prematurely) and licked a whole lot of honey, wouldn't that ultimately be beneficial for you? You'd be the honey holder, in other words.
1440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 21, 2014, 10:25:44 PM
Compare apples with apples, you say nothing how big transactions really are. Someone could say his shitcoin is superior to Bitcoin because the shitcoin blockchain grow only by 10kb daily...

And by the way, if you know really what you are doing you can be anonymous with Bitcoin already

Huh? I was demonstrating that the growth is linear and not exponential. I never compared it with Bitcoin.

Your last sentence really hits the nail on the head with what we're trying to achieve with Monero. Let me elaborate:

Have you ever used DropBox or Google Drive or iCloud or Box.net or any of similar services? Well, about 7-ish years ago none of them existed. Then Drew Houston launched DropBox - and his announcement revealed a host of interesting comments. This is one of my favourites:

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For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

And now? It has over 300 million users.

Just because something is doable "if you know really what you are doing" [sic] doesn't mean that is the most desirable course of action for all of the prospective users.
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