Not sure how you can live in the Philippines with that US supremacist attitude, but I wouldn't go as far as telling it to the locals. It would be the worst place to do it just right before a crypto-currency forum.
Could you be more specific as to what you are threatening to pay someone to do to me? Btw, the filipinos love the USA and agree it is supreme. Most all are dreaming to go there. And millions have. Oh, wow. Yeah, they love how everyone has money and they would love to have a proper income and better life conditions. I've been to a lot of asian countries and this is the worst thing you could say. Just shows how much of a racist clown you are IRL. |
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No more time to waste on these losers. My posts stand on their merits. I stated upthread the sample size is too small. There is no backpedaling and I know damn well you are trying to find some way to salvage your massive defeat in this thread.
Sorry you've lost. Bye.
Not sure how you can live in the Philippines with that US supremacist attitude, but I wouldn't go as far as telling it to the locals. It would be the worst place to do it just right before a crypto-currency forum. |
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You start to troll him with your post because of his nationality, this is way 2 obvious from the content. Stop dude.
I am not trolling. I am stating the issues around scamming. These guys seem to think they can sell their wares to us in the USA while adhering only to their culture and legal system, while telling us they don't give a fuck about our culture and legal system. So I am telling them why not sell their wares to their own countrymen in their own culture and legal system. The reason they don't is because they know their own countrymen won't buy the shit. So they have to peddle their shit illegally on us across the wire. No one told you to buy anything. Period. Now stop with the racism. |
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This is slowly turning into heavy racism on your part.
Since when was a nationality a race. I might even have Russian ancestry. I am far from rascist dude. I am against scammers. Period. You start to troll him with your posts because of his nationality, this is way 2 obvious from the content. Stop dude. Bad Russians, lol.
Why are you not marketing your ICO to Russians first then? Why not write your website in Russian so we can't pesker you. You want to take from our high productivity (CfB seems to think the USA stole everything it has using our military and reserve currency), yet you don't want to respect our legal systems. Are you implying that everyone on this forum is from the US? That only US citizens invested into Waves? That I as a Hungarian shouldn't invest because you have certain laws in the US? Don't invest into it if you feel it's not legal in your jurisdiction, no one asked you to. |
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Bad Russians, lol.
Why are you not marketing your ICO to Russians first then? Why not write your website in Russian so we can't pesker you. You want to take from our high productivity (CfB seems to think the USA stole everything it has using our military and reserve currency), yet you don't want to respect our legal systems. Make a decentralized token and get it widely adopted, then you won't need to beg for money before the product is even created. Or go get non-public investment from professionals/angels who do their due diligence. Or market to your own nation and the laws you have there. Or do a crowdfunding for contributions not providing any monetary value in return. FYI this forum isn't only visited by the US citizens (just because we all speak english here), stop speaking as if everyone should respect YOUR laws and bullshit. You don't even live in the US anymore. This is slowly turning into heavy racism on your part, better stop now. I'm starting to report your posts for racism and as a disclaimer, I am not russian. |
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That post says: "Main differences are asset-asset trading and fiat tokens at launch" But Counterparty already has asset-asset trading and Omni, NXT, and Bitshares already have fiat tokens. And this will have both as it seems, on a new codebase. |
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kushti is here (writing from a some place in Russia, yes).
First, some historical points. Scorex was started in Nov, 2014 as kinda funny project. To that moment, I spent few months working for Nxt. As you may know, Nxt prevents forking with closing code not released into production yet and also by somewhat terrible licensing(since 1.5?). Anyway, it has a lot of forks, and some of them with very interesting ideas (e.g. BURST).
To have thing open to the extreme I've published Scorex under CC0(Public Domain) license, so everyone can do literally anything with the code.
Since last autumn development of Scorex is subsidized by IOHK, and since Feb I'm a Research Fellow and Scorex project director in IOHK Research.
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Well, Scorex(as well as papers publicly published) could be used in any project. That surely does not mean collaboration with IOHK. However, we would like to get issues on core functionality to be reported to resolve and also (and especially) pull requests.
Me & Sasha, Charles & Sasha, and three of us had some conversations after Sasha's decision to build Waves on top of Scorex. No any collaboration has been established to the moment as a result. And that is surely up to Charles.
I do not endorse neither oppose Waves ICO. I do not have much technical details, and I'm not competent in other topics.
@kushti Did you ever have any formal or informal agreement to serve as an advisor or in any other role on the Waves team, either individually, as a Nxt developer, or as an employee of IOHK? (The latter seems clear from previous posts but best to clarify.) If not, did you engage in any communications with the Waves team or founders which could reasonably have led them to believe you would serve in such a role? His statement seems to imply this case, but what you are asking for him to do is the very thing he seems to want to avoid (and we don't know why, but probably some legal issues with IOHK). Not sure if the question makes sense. My (wild guess) opinion/speculation follows. I can read between the lines too, as many of you probably did also. Kushti is friends with Sasha. Kushti is a Russian who isn't hung up on formalities of laws we have in the West and is primarily interested in developing the code and having enough money to afford better lighting in his dingy apartment (this is a joke for anyone who has seen the Waves Hangout video). I guesstimate that Kushti doesn't have an ethical stance against ICOs and he probably thinks it was all just hunkydory. But then Charles probably explained that this is unacceptable for the company and for Charles personally being a USA citizen. So Kushti appears to be trying to ride the middle line. The problem here appears to be incompatible cultures. We appear to have different attitude in the West towards issues revolving around intellectual property, contracts, and investment laws. Charles hails from academia or math research, and he wants to form diverse and global ties. I am thinking he is bumping up against the sort of quagmires that can arise in international business. My stance is that Sasha needs to realize that if he wants to integrate with our hitech world in the West, then he needs to play ball within our more formal legal structures. I actually hate red tape and lawyering up. I love production and coding. So it is strange to see me taking this stance. I guess I have become very pragmatic at age 51. Alas I am not 20s and 30s carefree now. By not being careful, I encountered some big mistakes in my life. I am much more cautious. I agree with your speculation in the first part, but I partly disagree with the conclusion which is bolded. They are building something that doesn't have to rely on US laws or financial institutes, but if you want complete mainstream adoption it obviously is helpful. In this case it seems possible that the end-product can be marketed to banks or finance businesses even if the kickstarter part was funded by a non-(US)compliant funding. Can still pass as a grey area. |
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kushti is here (writing from a some place in Russia, yes).
First, some historical points. Scorex was started in Nov, 2014 as kinda funny project. To that moment, I spent few months working for Nxt. As you may know, Nxt prevents forking with closing code not released into production yet and also by somewhat terrible licensing(since 1.5?). Anyway, it has a lot of forks, and some of them with very interesting ideas (e.g. BURST).
To have thing open to the extreme I've published Scorex under CC0(Public Domain) license, so everyone can do literally anything with the code.
Since last autumn development of Scorex is subsidized by IOHK, and since Feb I'm a Research Fellow and Scorex project director in IOHK Research.
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Well, Scorex(as well as papers publicly published) could be used in any project. That surely does not mean collaboration with IOHK. However, we would like to get issues on core functionality to be reported to resolve and also (and especially) pull requests.
Me & Sasha, Charles & Sasha, and three of us had some conversations after Sasha's decision to build Waves on top of Scorex. No any collaboration has been established to the moment as a result. And that is surely up to Charles.
I do not endorse neither oppose Waves ICO. I do not have much technical details, and I'm not competent in other topics.
@kushti Did you ever have any formal or informal agreement to serve as an advisor or in any other role on the Waves team, either individually, as a Nxt developer, or as an employee of IOHK? (The latter seems clear from previous posts but best to clarify.) If not, did you engage in any communications with the Waves team or founders which could reasonably have led them to believe you would serve in such a role? His statement seems to imply this case, but what you are asking for him to do is the very thing he seems to want to avoid (and we don't know why, but probably some legal issues with IOHK). Not sure if the question makes sense. |
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YEAHH THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKIN IDIOT ..
FAKE ICO!! Who the fuck are you coming here to insult people? If you don't like the project you don't invest, that's simple as that. You don't have right to flame and blame others for your other ICO losses. WAVES is a great Bitcoin 2.0 project and it'll be as big as Bitcoin in cryptographic financial system. i think he lost on LISK or so , and is jealous that he couldnt buy waves and missed the 20% extra, cause he put all his money on LISK and seeing that waves has more potential, poor guy  i pity him why waves has more potential it's a copy of lisk which is a copy of ethereum? none has good potential but lisk has better potential due to the fact that is a one less copy lol A copy of lisk? Are we watching the same concept mate? Are you on crack? The two projects totally differ from each other. they are all the same mate, you really think there is something innovative here lol, all copy paste with little variation, tell me what this offer over ethereum and lisk? Waves is different mate, please checkout their OP. Amazing how some people can be interested in crypto-currencies while skipping reading lessons back in elementary. You'd think they would get stuck at the forum registration part... |
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So Scorex was declared to be not ready for a production use. Since 1.1.0 modular design is there, so a consensus as well as transactional modules are to be injected into core. Since 1.2.0 only core is to be called Scorex, and our first testnet application running on Permacoin consensus protocol is being called Lagonaki.
But Waves doesn't need anything except of core probably. They will build own transactional and consensus modules. Then it is Waves business to prove those modules are shine like a diamond.
Btw these are the most important parts of this thread and this should close down all the negative vibes of some people. |
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200 pages yay!
And without half pages quoted posts like Lisk comunity produce No just 150 pages of people saying 'I havent got the email' 'I havent got my waves' Is ICO still in Bonus' That's about it Really 150 pages? But ICO started 40 pages ago, so how its possible? Anything is possible when you can't count. |
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Their (ICO promotion) signatures always reveal their hatred for the truth I speak about selling ostensibly illegal unregistered investment securities to US investors. Suppose they don't like that truth. How sad they wouldn't be able to steal money if they obeyed the law.  The laws you refer to were created to protect interests of banksters, not of ordinary people. We all are 18+ here and decide ourselves what to do with our money. Go and post on Wall Street forums, people like you (who want to be a submissive of USA govt) are not welcome here. PS: Could anyone quote my post, please? The guy doesn't like when I disturb him in his delusion world, but the message is intended to open his eyes and bring him back to the reality, it's important for him (though he won't admit that even to himself). I'll help you out. We all know how well TPTB likes to coat his ass with his lawyer's genitals. Like the time where he threatened people here with a lawsuit for trolling him. Oh and remember when TPTB said a few weeks ago how he will never post on these forums again?  |
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We will be working with the payment providers that Sasha is working atm through coinomat.com Well, this is interesting. Now i can visualize something...I am interested but more info is needed here. - The actual whitepaper is simple, where is the technical one? Is it going to be a datailed version of it?
- Where is the roadmap of this project?
- Who are the developers committed to this project and why they are not in the announcement page? The whole project is going to be built by JL777 and sasha35625?
Its really incredible people are willing to invest 5000 BTC without making these points clear. Please enlighten me. All of these were asked and answered already several times in the thread  |
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any bit of btc into this scam ico is pure profits into russian mafia pocket
easy money
then this one whale already owned 80% at this point; 556d2947f969730a9648be80017fb10610dc8b9273547965be6e7a40cf269b12 Apr 12, 2016 5:26:05 PM --300 a2e3ec27b874f09eb51b9fb0dd1ec923208cf955dc12037e991ec6eb37e6237e Apr 12, 2016 5:26:05 PM --759 cf0583bf4606670909595ca1047e48c37f8478548750e84d3b8775f8992d75d6 Apr 12, 2016 5:26:05 PM --500 e9fe2a339fa5accd5b3a73ba236e7ebc792a8455296419b6fe9bf5c95810fa23 Apr 12, 2016 5:26:05 PM --500 ee4c95e34faf4e272c742655f1c672d6b242690d17c2ffdc041bcb46ebfa7a1d Apr 12, 2016 5:26:05 PM --300 4564ed4e551fd2a29f67c820f86ed0e35b950c507fbe0323a1b9f60101bbce5f Apr 12, 2016 4:54:18 PM --1000 d0a70bba97781d4687eef6d9ec31781917cf4c10aaa206b81c7c1fe4940a9ca9 Apr 12, 2016 4:54:18 PM --100 it was a dead ico until this whale decided to play i wouldn't want to play his game or wait for his dump Every worthwhile coin/project has whale investors and market makers. Both Lisk and ETH have them. Kinda funny how you got burned with the reply and you still try to fud with random bs. Such a scam buster. |
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I think it's time to close the ICO...
4000+ btc you have! How much do you want?
Just 15 min ago Sasha wrote in their Slack channel that they already have enough for development, but they're not gonna close the ICO until the end (15 may). From my point of view as an investor, it's bad news, but from dev's standpoint, why should they stop getting money? I wouldn't Rules were set on start, there is nothing surprising in the fact that the ICO will finish when stated. More money means more future developments, maybe a bigger team later or a longer roadmap. |
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kushti is here (writing from a some place in Russia, yes).
First, some historical points. Scorex was started in Nov, 2014 as kinda funny project. To that moment, I spent few months working for Nxt. As you may know, Nxt prevents forking with closing code not released into production yet and also by somewhat terrible licensing(since 1.5?). Anyway, it has a lot of forks, and some of them with very interesting ideas (e.g. BURST).
To have thing open to the extreme I've published Scorex under CC0(Public Domain) license, so everyone can do literally anything with the code.
Since last autumn development of Scorex is subsidized by IOHK, and since Feb I'm a Research Fellow and Scorex project director in IOHK Research.
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Well, Scorex(as well as papers publicly published) could be used in any project. That surely does not mean collaboration with IOHK. However, we would like to get issues on core functionality to be reported to resolve and also (and especially) pull requests.
Me & Sasha, Charles & Sasha, and three of us had some conversations after Sasha's decision to build Waves on top of Scorex. No any collaboration has been established to the moment as a result. And that is surely up to Charles.
I do not endorse neither oppose Waves ICO. I do not have much technical details, and I'm not competent in other topics.
The thing I've read from this is that you have been advising Sascha on how to manage the project, but have no legal contract and Charles would have said no anyway. Meaning that you can not be mentioned on their website as a part of the team, but still, the way Charles stated it in the tweet and in the OP is misleading and seems to try and harm the ICO on purpose. |
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It is amazing that these 2 developers are not able to fix the email issue to join the ICO.
This makes me feel that on the technical side I shouldn't trust these 2 guys.
Since the beginning of the ICO so many people have experienced so many different issues of all sorts.
I give up with Waves! Good luck to the investors.
As if unexpected traffic and website overload problems equal to bad crypto coding and ideas. You have made interesting connections there. You say unexpected traffic and website overload problems? This is exactly the point! 1.This ICO was announced a long time ago 2. 20% bonus on the first 24 hours. It means it was more than obvious that many many investors would register on the very first day to get the bonus. So don't say "unexpected traffic and website overload problems". This is ridiculous. Yeah and imagine what will happen to the exchange they are listing it on.... (there own one)  Do these guys have experience in building an exchange? if the Website crashes on first day of ICO how will an exchange handle the mega volume it will see, Time to ditch that Idea should go live on 1EX.TRADE (Most capacity for high volume) Polo and Bittrex all at the same time to spread out the load. I wont be trading on whatever it is they offer, I prefer to stick to the exchanges I know. Not let some guys hold all the waves and all the BTC's with who knows what security. You are not the first I see shilling for 1EX, but I just can't see why. It has 0 volume and it's just a purchased exchange software from https://cryptocapital.co/. |
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It is amazing that these 2 developers are not able to fix the email issue to join the ICO.
This makes me feel that on the technical side I shouldn't trust these 2 guys.
Since the beginning of the ICO so many people have experienced so many different issues of all sorts.
I give up with Waves! Good luck to the investors.
As if unexpected traffic and website overload problems equal to bad crypto coding and ideas. You have made interesting connections there. |
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68 confirmations now. What worries me the MOST is not getting that 20% bonus. That's the ONLY reason I purchased today.
Sasha you let us know how long this will take to deposit and if it takes longer than 24 hours, will we still be credited the 20% bonus?
This is a little absurd that after 6 hours, still not any news on this at all.
Will we still receive the 20% bonus if it takes longer than 24 hours?!?
If you have BTC private keys for the address that you sent from, you shouldn't worry too much, because ultimately that's your proof that you have sent the BTC in time. You are the Nth person saying that today, totally pointless. Everyone has his own deposit adress, whatever goes into that is his/her coins. |
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