so, e.g., Israeli intelligence shows rockets being launched within 50 meters of a hospital where civilians are being housed. Israel has to (should) weigh the following things:

(1) the harm rockets being deployed has on their own interests (including civilian interests)
(2) the probability distribution with which their weaponry will hit and/or affect targets around the area.
(3) the risk/reward profile of each point in the domain of the probability distribution.

which seems like an enormous grey area. this doesn't really seem all that well defined, especially in the cases relevant to this conflict. thats what courts are there for, i suppose.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...ive-dream.html


http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...ve-dreams.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...cognition.html

Dribble that doesn't mean anything...

It is easy to not say what one is thinking.
It is much harder to only think thoughts that one would say.
Only think what you would say.

On the surface of it it cannot be proved, at least not until it is too late. There is no way that you will be able to authenticate what I am saying, so you may have to resort to more arcane methods - like going to an astrologer and having him do a Progressive Chart and a Solar Return and looking at where Jupiter is in your chart. If your progressed Jupiter is in the 12th house - your bus ticket has been punched and you're already on the bus. If it is in the Solar Return then there is a chance of death, but chances are that you will have enough warning to scare you, where you may be able to get medical attention in time. Yes, I know, Astrology is hooey, a crock, unproven by Science and seen as a superstition, so why even consider it? (That also is not up for discussion because there is nothing to discuss - it isn't real, it's impossible, it's a lie.)

Being punched in the solar plexus is one way the soul lets you know that you are about to die.

You will dismiss it as not being worthy of further consideration. It doesn't matter - it may take dozens of years before it happens. But if and when it happens, what will you do?, how will you re-act? How does anyone act when confronted with the very real possibility of one's own death?

Peace.

Umair127,

I give you gift, something known by mystics, psychic sensitives and meditators from earliest time, what I consider to be valid proof of precognition, a proof that can only be realised by the actual experiencing of it, something illogical and which can not be proved by Science nor Rationalization:

If you ever dream of being kicked in your back then know that chances are great that someone will screw you over, something that will cause you pain, suffering, consternation and indignation, something that will incense you and make you angry, that will upset you and cause you to curse.

But that may be misconstrued or understtod as mere coincidence...

Know this, if in a dream you feel as if you have been kicked in your stomach, as if you were punched in your solar plexus, that you, or someone very close to you, probably a close blood tie, like a parent, will die in about six month's time. If you are lucky enough to be even that much aware in your dreams, that it causes you to bolt upright in bed because it feels so real that it immediately awakes you from the dream - start making your final preparations, make sure that those closest to you, those that you have a psychic bond to, make their final preparations.

Until "Science" says that "Precognition" exists no one "here" will accept it, and if Science comes out and now says that it does exist then it will be accepted without questioning, as if it has always been so, even though the person who now believes it has no actual experiential experience of his own. It's like love - those who have never experienced it will say that no such thing exists, that two lovers cannot be psychically connected, that it is impossible!, it can't be done!, it doesn't exist because Science hasn't said so! They are like castrated eunuchs composing love poems and singing love songs.

That's a big problem with time - the older one gets the more one starts to question reality - did 'it' really happen? The older one gets the more one rationalizes their experience, until one is all mind and cold dead heart. At 100 years old you probably won't remember the orgasm, questioning if such a thing even exists - but there will be a nagging feeling in the back of your mind as you keep playing with your genitals.

Only those who know what it feels like to fall in love can know what love is. Those who have never known what love is can never know what love is. That's just the way it is...

Oh, okay...

I've often wondered - did those who died in airplane crashes - did they get any promotion dreams? Logic would say, "If they did they would be alive but there would be no way to prove that if they hadn't gotten on the plane that that is the reason why they're still alive!" Well, I am here to tell you that I had once booked a flight to California decades ago and immediately, for two weeks thereafter I got nightmares. So I decided to change my plans and changed the booking to Florida. My nightmares immediately went away. ("That doesn't prove anything!" I can hear your minds crying out.)

At work, going away for training was almost impossible to get. After two year's waiting I was finally thrown a bone and all the plans were finalized. The week that I was supposed to go I went to my boss and told him that I was not going. I just had a feeling, I was getting nightmares. My brother knew three weeks prior that I would be away and two weeks after I was scheduled to come back he calls me and asks me if everything is alright. I ask him why he asks. He tells me that many in our family are calling him and the first thing out of their mouths is questions about me; he tells me that all our friends are calling him, even my enemies are calling him about me. I explain that I was supposed to die while away at school. I t turns out that the guy I was supposed to share an apartment with and a car ride to work with, died when traffic came to a stop on Route 3 in Massachusetts. A car behind him hit him at 65 mph and killed him. I probably would have died, too.

Nothing to say, is there? Such a story can't be accepted prima facie. It's anecdotal!, it doesn't mean a thing!, it couldn't have happened!, it was a mere coincidence!, it's impossible to prove!, You're lying!. Keep saying that to yourselves... you'll probably believe it without even thinking. It's a rut in your minds...

Those who know it exists know that it exists. Those who know it exists know that it's a waste of time trying to change your already made up minds. It's a waste of time and it is better to just keep it to one's self. Those who know that it can't exist (which is a logical fallacy since the mind cannot know the unknown, cannot experience the unexperienceable through rationalization) can't be made to believe that the possibility even exists.

No matter what stories I tell they will be considered anecdotal, so why bother?

But just to please you, although it will obviously be subjected to much derision:

Back in 1963 my mom worked as a seamstress in a factory in the Bronx and while she was busy at work all of a sudden a "feeling" took over her whole being. She jumps up and screams - "My son!" She runs out of the building, she runs to the subway station and boards a train across town, she runs out of the subway station, she runs home, she flings open the door to our apartment on the 18th floor, she runs into my little brother's room just as she sees him falling out the window. She lunges and catches him by his foot 3 feet outside the window and pulls him back inside.

Non of your sorry ass forth coming comments from the O.T. Peanut Gallery will affect me - I know it to be the truth, as does my little brother, whom my mom lovingly reminds him often. The evil minded OTers will accuse my mother of being negligent - "What mom would work and leave her children home alone? She's obviously a bad mother!" The usual tactic of deflecting an argument will be employed...

Would it have made a difference had there been a baby sitter? In many minds it will seem obvious - and yet every week a child drowns in the Phoenix area, many "supervised" by baby sitters, parents and grand parents. Anyone who has a young child knows that as a parent he/she cannot take their attention and concentration off a child for a single moment. And yet the phone rings and babies drown in 2" of water... Remember that the next time your child is in the car and the cell phone rings or you're too busy texting back that last message you received.

I have my own tales I could tell - some of them have been told already, here - but what would be the use? The Old O.T. is dead, one where one could engage in serious dialogue. Now O.T. is just a playground for assholes. Your young ones still run amok, undisciplined, encouraged by the other Internet Bullies on the board. If it concerns religion the older atheists take the younger atheists under their wings. Bah. Pimpled ass teens who think being an asshole means he's cool and erudite. (Yeah, they're going to have to look that word up, I bet.)

And it's going to be utterly impossible to have any sort of discussion here. Heck, I'm surprised that even the word "coincidence" was not flamed. Anything that deviates in any way from Scientific beliefs will be related to philosophy/supernatural/metaphysics and will be summarily dismissed.

Keep it to yourself. The sharing of such thoughts, ideas or beliefs serves no purpose other than to inflame the Philistines ("a person who is lacking in or hostile or smugly indifferent to cultural values, intellectual pursuits, aesthetic refinement, etc., or is contentedly commonplace in ideas and tastes.) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Philistines

Materialistic Rationalization is all they know and all they want to know and hear from others.

You want to have an honest discussion here? Here??? Ha!!! Hahahahahahahahaha.

yup,let's go with the the hypothetical 25% married jointly bracket ...

perhaps i should do a cash out refinance to get cash to buy the next house instead. that way i get to keep all the tax benefits of a primary residence loan?

Are those 10 houses together in one place or one area or scattered?

how did they do during the recession?

they cant hire someone or their relatives to do the property management? doesnt seem like a full time job all the time .seems to be a solid source of income especially when this country is getting more and more crowded .

seriously, i'm planning to buy a more expensive house, probably somewhere in texas.
one problem seems to be that property sold prices are not public record down there, making me feel like walking into a minefield

just checked interest rate. 15y 0-point fixed mortgage rate is still at 3.4%, i thought it's risen to pretty close to where my rate was. now i feel better.

No, I am not,. What would I be "desperate" about?   I am right.  I speak the truth. I have nothing to fear. No one cares about convincing you of anything.

You also bring it upon yourself with your childish attempts to re-write the dictionary.  It never dawned upon your  mind to notice that YOU are the one with the problem.

Manipulating scripture or texts (or dictionaries), feeling specially chosen, claiming to receive special messages from God

Your fairy tale "god" does not exist. It's ridiculous of you to accuse us of being "hostile" toward a figment of your imagination. If any hostility exists, it is directed at you personally. You bring it upon yourself because you refuse to face reality.   "There is no point arguing with a ( person who refuses to face reality) lunatic."

You can help yourself if you want to, but just like any other similar problems people have, you have to admit you have a problem and then seek help for recovery.

Look,Rigon and I have no reason to post from anger when it comes to issues with you. We both realize you are a mentally and emotionally troubled person, and nothing is accomplished by being angry with you.