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481  Economy / Economics / Re: Introduction of new cryptocurrency without hampering the present demand of btc on: October 04, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
An altcoin launched with a well-planned concept, clear road map, long-term potential, community backing does get a good share of the crypto market. A few are niche coins and IMO they are necessary in the sense that some of these do come up with new innovations/technology in the field of cryptocurrencies. Thus beneficial for the whole cryptocurrency community.

These altcoins neither affect Bitcoins demand nor causes devaluation, but they do increase the total valuation of cryptocurrencies. It's a free market, some altcoins will help to test out new ideas.
482  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-02] Bitcoin ‘Will Not Become Legal’ In India Without ‘Monitoring,’ Says on: October 03, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
Bitcoin in India is currently self-regulated under Digital Assets and Blockchain Foundation India (DABFI). SEBI (Securities and Exchange Board of India) panel is working on legal framework to regulate Bitcoin in India.

If Bitcoin gets legalized in India then it would come under RBI’s 1934 Act, foreign payment in Bitcoins would fall under FEMA Act, returns in Bitcoins would be taxed. Doesn't seem too appealing.

Since 2013, RBI has made a couple of press releases regarding Bitcoin. They aren't against Bitcoin usage, but without proper regulation users would be using Bitcoin at their own risk. Until RBI regulates Bitcoin, it is self-regulated in India.

https://rbi.org.in//Scripts/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=39435
483  Economy / Economics / Cryptopsycology - Is Bitcoin/Cryptos changing your psychology? on: October 03, 2017, 07:36:56 AM
Money does have a huge impact on the way we think and feel. It is associated with powerful emotions like anxiety, depression, anger, helplessness, happiness, excitement, envy, resentment.

The negative emotions associated with fiat currency is caused by it being a tool for servitude and slavery. Tax slavery, debt slavery, wage slavery. Being forced to use it, master vs slave, governments vs people.

Cryptopsycology

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Crypto-psychology is the discipline of how cryptographic protocols, blockchain technology, and cypherpunk activity alter the way people understand money, money symbolism, and the behaviors and emotions they cause. Crypto-psychology examines human behavior from the perspective of blockchain systems and open source, peer-2-peer technologies.

Unlike fiat currency, Bitcoin/cryptos aren't associated with control and dominance, no authoritarian doctrines, no centralized entities, no master, no slave. A feeling of safety and security, happiness, freedom.

So is Bitcoin/cryptos changing your psychology, your behavior, your perception towards money? Compared to Fiat, are you experiencing nil or less negative emotions while using cryptos?

https://news.bitcoin.com/crypto-psychology-initiation-text-toward-understanding-money-symbolism/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-can-alter-psychology/
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lack of protection: obstacle to use of crypto as money? on: October 02, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
Most commercial transactions in modern societies are based on an explicit or implicit protection of both parties (seller - consumer). The protection may be provided by an intermediary party or ultimately by the law.

When I buy a product or service online with my VISA, I can reverse the transaction if the seller does not deliver according to terms.
For larger purchases (car, home) the transfer of funds is usually through a bank (which can authorise a cheque or provide proof of deposit of the amount).
In case of dispute I can ultimately seek protection from law.

I know that these systems of protection sometimes fail, but this is not the point. Even the implicit sense of protection often facilitates everyday transactions.

On the other hand, transactions with cryptos are based on trust, at least as long as cryptos are not recognised as legal form of payment and remain anonymous.

Do you agree that this lack of protection is an obstacle to the wide-spread use of cryptos as money?
What solutions do you see?

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Bitcoin's base layer transactions on the blockchain are irreversible and final. It's no exaggeration to say that the entirety of bitcoin's system of blockchain, mining, proof of work, difficulty etc, exist to produce this history of transactions that is computationally impractical to modify.

In the literature on electronic cash, this property was often refer to as "solving the double-spending problem".

Bitcoin transactions aren't reversible. Based on your perspective, this might be Bitcoin's flaw or its strength.

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Possession of bitcoin is not enforced by business rules and policy, but cryptography and game theory.

Base layer transactions on Blockchain are irreversible, but if I am not technically wrong then second layer solutions can be added to make transactions reversible, but I don't think it is necessary. Bitcoin isn't designed to be reversible.

As far as P2P transactions are concerned one can use an escrow or multisig.

IMO the irreversible aspect of Bitcoin isn't a hindrance to it being used as a medium of exchange.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Irreversible_Transactions
485  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Reaction on: October 02, 2017, 11:12:42 AM
I just thought about a little theory. When I usualy tell friends or people in generall about cryptocurrencies and that they need to inform themselves about the subject the feedback is 90% positive. People realize that cryptocurrencies is the next "big thing".

So back to my theorie. In recent days there were a lot of discussions about Jamie Dimon CEO of JP Morgan spreding FUD. So if he actually gets people aware of crypto even by bad puplicity won't it be positive for the market despite causing a price drop by panic sellers.

So do you think even bad news about crypto in the wider media will drive the market up in the long run becuase it makes people aware?

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There's no such thing as bad publicity

Bitcoin or crypto market is still relatively small. So when prominent individuals representing big institutions/organizations say something negative about Bitcoin they are actually making more people aware of the existence of Bitcoin. Yeah in short-term negative news/FUD is bad, but in the long-term it doesn't matter.

As a matter of fact, I guess FUD does strengthen the market, it gets immune and then at some point individual statements wouldn't have any impact on the market.
486  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: Quoinpro on: October 02, 2017, 10:47:40 AM
haha, i didn't even know it is still active. i think the website domain was down for a long time. now that i have re-visited the website it seems like the old database is working too! i still have my account from 2014 which is 3 years of accumulating rewards Grin

here is my current balances:
and note that the bitcoin balance is my own deposit (0.00026598BTC deposited)


Yeah I was surprised at the fact that they were still open for business. I only went back to check my account after I saw the old thread for Qoinpro being revived and i checked out the site - completely new design but all balances carried over.

I can safely confirm that i did NOT receive any sort of substantial amount of money during my membership(spanning at LEAST 3 years). Even with the rise in btc and alt prices, i've only gotten a few cents.

Based on my experience, and every other person it seems like it's just not worth it...

I have accumulated around 6000 satoshis in 3+ years Grin. Qoinpro was quite popular in 2014, no captcha, no need to claim, just refer and autopilot earnings.

Just went through their official thread, someone recently posted about having 13852 referrals Shocked

OP, if you can't get referrals then QP isn't worth it, but with referrals, like thousands of them it's a good passive income with 14 cryptos.

487  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has no role in real world on: October 02, 2017, 08:22:29 AM
BTC has no role to play in the real world affairs. People who try to create such a role are confused between asset and currency. The design itself only considers pure virtual activity with no touch with real world. People also mistake the buzz words such as "peer-to-peer", "border-less", "decentralised" etc as the problems to be solved. But sadly these are not real problems. The insignificant problems (speed and fees) are hardly enough to sell and these problems are going away anyway. I have no respect to Nakamoto because he ignored the most important element (govt and authorities) in social situation and still want to sell it as some solution to social situations. Hardly any country has regulatory framework that deals with btc.

The problems are rooted in the philosophy of crypto, not in the code. So, the beauty of blockchain tech is irrelevant for btc. It is like selling a bad app by showing how great Android is.

1) Bitcoin does not provide controlled visibility, because it doesn't recognise the existence of governments. Now if you make changes to provide visibility to authorities, ALL privacy is gone. If you don't, then ALL visibility is gone.

2) Fees are rooted in the design. Whatever consensus you invent for a public blockchain, you can't escape rewarding the work of validating transactions. So zero fees are not possible.

Public blockchains sacrifice all good qualities of a business application for the sake of trust-less environment which is not even actually a problem to solve in many contexts. Also they make it extremely costly to run small amount of code or small storage. Who wants their business code to be validated by all arbitrary people in the world?

Most ICOs are sharing economy concepts similar to uber model. Lack of a responsible intermediary and costs will make these "innovations" to fail, if they ever have to touch real-world activities.

Bulk of the blockchain activity will move to business collaborations which might not even look like a blockchain. Crypto coins will be used in most business blockchains, but these coins will be value-less tokens and very specific to the business or institutional activity.

Transferring money without intermediaries from anywhere in the world and having full control over your funds in a decentralized environment is the solution Bitcoin offers. Peer-to-peer, border-less, decentralized, solutions to real problems. People in Venezuela are seeing the real world usage of Bitcoin.

Socio-economic, financial situations are rigged/caused by the so called most important elements/governments. How do you expect someone to come up with a solution to the problems caused by these elements without ignoring them?
488  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin Surges Above $4400 As World Realizes Jamie Dimon & China Don't Matter on: October 02, 2017, 02:56:11 AM
Bitcoin just topped $4400 for the first time since in over 3 weeks and has now erased all of the plunge losses from Jamie Dimon's "it's a fraud" and China's shuttering of all local exchanges.

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It didn't take long for the world of crypto-currencies to shrug off Jamie Dimon's self-tighteous denigration of the decentralized currency that could directly 'disrupt' his cash cow businesses; and furthermore, as The South China Morning Post reports, China's bitcoin market alive and well as traders defy crackdown.

Although the crackdown has dissuaded large swathes of less-experienced investors from participating in the trade, market participants point to the limits Chinese regulators ultimately face in controlling the industry, where many users are anonymous and difficult to track.

In the short-run, the crackdown has also created an arbitrage opportunity for investors, with the price of bitcoin in China now trading at a discount to overseas exchanges.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-01/bitcoin-surges-above-4400-world-realizes-jamie-dimon-china-dont-matter
489  Other / Off-topic / Re: BlueBorne Virus affects all bluetooth devices. Turn your bluetooth off! on: September 30, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
I thought bluetooth was just a signal that transmits from your device when you want to share something? What am I missing here?

You are the missing the point that this virus can spread from device to device through air (Signals). Even when not set to discoverable mode BlueBorne vulnerability allows hackers to gain access to your Bluetooth-enabled device. That's scary. It sounds like a major scale hack can be carried out with this BlueBorne virus.

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If exploited, the vulnerabilities could enable an attacker to take over devices, spread malware, or establish a ‘man-in-the-middle’ to gain access to critical data and networks without user interaction,” according to the company. “The attack does not require the targeted device to be paired to the attacker’s device, or even to be set on discoverable mode… since the Bluetooth process has high privileges on all operating systems, exploiting it provides virtually full control over the device.

Found BlueBorne Vulnerability Scanner by Armis app, but the reviews ain't satisfying, inconsistent.
490  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin phased out on: September 29, 2017, 11:25:07 AM
What if someone creates a better digital currency? Will bitcoin be phased out? And how likely  is it for that to happen?

There is something called network effect.

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A network effect (also called network externality or demand-side economies of scale) is the effect described in economics and business that one user of a good or service or technology has on the value of that product to others. When a network effect is present, the value of a product or service is dependent on the number of others using it.

Bitcoin has both direct and indirect network effects. With adoption its value is increasing, right now it is used more as a long-term investment/store of value and as a speculative asset/trading, but this is leading to indirect effects including merchant adoption and sooner or later we will see Bitcoin being majorly used in the areas of remittances and micropayments, a Bitcoin ETF in the near future, and it do have the potential to be a reserve currency.

It is not about creating a better currency, new technological implementations can be integrated into Bitcoin. It is about having a network effect far better than Bitcoin. And that's highly unlikely to happen in the sense that having a first come advantage, Bitcoin network effects are already in motion, a new cryptocurrency would have to start from scratch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Voting with a Blockchain on: September 29, 2017, 10:14:56 AM
the biggest question that should be answers first is : WHY?

what is blockchain? it is a chain of blocks.
what would these blocks regarding votes contain? the votes themselves? why? what would be the point of creating a chain of votes in form of blocks and hold them somewhere? what is wrong with a normal database instead of a blockchain?

or maybe you mean some form of cryptographic proof? that is not blockchain.
it is something else, but who will issue the keys for creating the "vote" cryptographically and how would you prevent people from having multiple keys?
and the final question is that will it be worth all these efforts to replace the old system that works?


I see others saying "it is a good idea" but in my opinion your idea is way too vague and general. you need to explain how will it work and what are the angles then decide if it is a good or a terrible idea. because it can be either.

The why is quite simple, to prevent electoral fraud/Tampering with electronic voting machines. A transparent, hack-proof/secure voting system based on Blockchain eliminates this.

The existing voting system, be it paper-based or e-voting isn't transparent, you cast vote, you aren't sure if your vote was changed or counted. That's why some people abstain from voting. A transparent voting system would restore their trust. So IMO it is definitely worth replacing the existing system.

List of controversial elections, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_elections

Digital Voting with the use of Blockchain Technology, https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/plymouth.pdf

The concept is implementable.
And how about storing personal data? It will be scary when everyone can see my personal data on blockchain.

Your personal data isn't visible to everyone on Blockchain. A voter's vote anonymity is ensured. Please go through the whole PDF to understand one of the possible implementations of Blockchain technology in a voting system.

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It is important to note that there are two distinct blockchains being held; one which contains transactions relating to which users have registered and which users still have a vote, the second containing the contents of the vote (such as what party was voted for.). Through the use of these two distinct blockchains we ensure voter anonymity when selecting their vote.
492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Voting with a Blockchain on: September 29, 2017, 09:51:30 AM
the biggest question that should be answers first is : WHY?

what is blockchain? it is a chain of blocks.
what would these blocks regarding votes contain? the votes themselves? why? what would be the point of creating a chain of votes in form of blocks and hold them somewhere? what is wrong with a normal database instead of a blockchain?

or maybe you mean some form of cryptographic proof? that is not blockchain.
it is something else, but who will issue the keys for creating the "vote" cryptographically and how would you prevent people from having multiple keys?
and the final question is that will it be worth all these efforts to replace the old system that works?


I see others saying "it is a good idea" but in my opinion your idea is way too vague and general. you need to explain how will it work and what are the angles then decide if it is a good or a terrible idea. because it can be either.

The why is quite simple, to prevent electoral fraud/Tampering with electronic voting machines. A transparent, hack-proof/secure voting system based on Blockchain eliminates this.

The existing voting system, be it paper-based or e-voting isn't transparent, you cast vote, you aren't sure if your vote was changed or counted. That's why some people abstain from voting. A transparent voting system would restore their trust. So IMO it is definitely worth replacing the existing system.

List of controversial elections, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_elections

Digital Voting with the use of Blockchain Technology, https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/plymouth.pdf

The concept is implementable.
493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does this mean? ..."The Times 3 January 2009 Chancellor on brink of second" on: September 29, 2017, 04:34:06 AM
Satoshi left a text message in the first mined Bitcoin block which reads 'The Times 3 January 2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks'. The text refers to a headline in The Times published on 3 January 2009.

What do you think this means and why was this done?

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Alistair Darling has been forced to consider a second bailout for banks as the lending drought worsens.

The Chancellor will decide within weeks whether to pump billions more into the economy as evidence mounts that the £37 billion part-nationalisation last year has failed to keep credit flowing. Options include cash injections, offering banks cheaper state guarantees to raise money privately or buying up “toxic assets”, The Times has learnt.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chancellor-alistair-darling-on-brink-of-second-bailout-for-banks-n9l382mn62h

The global financial crisis of 2008 was one of the worst economic disasters - Genesis block 2009 with the above message. Obviously the ideology/fundamentals behind the creation of Bitcoin was to offer an alternative to people from the flawed financial/banking system. The statement was a rebellion/protest against the existing pump billions/injecting cash, collapsing the economy for the sake of banks system.
494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How Decentralized Exchanges Make Bitcoin More Resilient (and Us More Free) on: September 29, 2017, 01:23:51 AM
It appears that governments love blockchain technology but hate Bitcoin itself, as well as other “crypto-anarchic” digital currencies. Some governments are reacting in a panic because they are starting to realize that they can’t stop Bitcoin from becoming an alternative to their monopoly on currency, both as a means of exchange and a store of value. Centralized cryptocurrency exchanges are especially vulnerable, and other governments could follow China.

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Atomic swaps are the first sign in a new wave of decentralization. It is going to be interesting to see how the trend develops, since for larger and more complex transactions with fiat currencies, LocalBitcoins and established exchanges are still the place to be.

“The panic has to set in at some point,” argued Beams. “But it will do so at different times for different governments, and will produce a range of responses from them when it does.

Beams suggested that the only way to really stop decentralized crypto-fiat exchanges would be to outlaw Bitcoin trading altogether.

However, he thinks that this sort of heavy-handed attack seems unlikely to be attempted in the U.S. or Europe because there are just too many vested interests in Bitcoin now. It’s more likely that the authorities will continue to insist on KYC, tolerate compliant centralized exchanges and demonize the decentralized ones.

“With all that having been said, I’m actually optimistic,” concluded Beams. “Attacks by state actors — real and threatened — are making every part of this ecosystem stronger. Bitcoin has proven itself anti-fragile as hell thus far, and by the time all the battles have been waged, what will emerge on the other side are alternatives to existing financial institutions — money, banks, exchanges and all the rest — that are actually better in every way than their traditional counterparts.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/how-decentralized-exchanges-make-bitcoin-more-resilient-and-us-more-free/
495  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is not gambling on: September 28, 2017, 05:05:21 AM
I don't know why people say bitcoin is gambling. Its not gambling. You are investing your money and time. You use your internet. So its not gambling dealing with it.

There is investing and then there is speculating. Bitcoin is a highly volatile and high risk investment.

A Bitcoin investment is when an investor understands the fundamentals, technology, and long-term potential of Bitcoin and invests into it with the intention of holding it over a long period of time.

Speculation is when someone buys Bitcoin and plans to hold it for a very short period of time with the intention of timing the market. It is a bet, might go in favour of the speculator, might not. So speculating is similar to gambling.

So people who say Bitcoin is gambling consider it as a speculative asset rather than a long-term investment.
496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what country the most loyal attitude to Bicoin? on: September 28, 2017, 04:21:58 AM
Three are a couple of things to consider how much a country is Bitcoin friendly. That country's perspective towards Bitcoin, legality/regulations. Merchant/user adoption.

In this sense, Japan and Australia are the top Bitcoin friendly nations. Both Japan and Australia have officially accepted Bitcoin as money/method of payment. Australia even removed double taxation. As far as merchant adoption is concerned, Japan has a good number of shops accepting Bitcoin that it is quite possible to survive on Bitcoin only.

497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Japan Considers Launching J-Coin, Eliminating Cash Before Tokyo 2020 Games" on: September 28, 2017, 02:52:21 AM
The concept behind J-Coin sounds more like M-Pesa/Apple Pay, mobile-based payment system rather than a cryptocurrency, used for buying goods and services rather than being traded on exchanges.

Japan is a cash-based economy, only around 14% of transactions are cashless and these transactions are dominated by Apple and Alibaba so starting a local electronic payment system that is pegged 1:1 with JPY is a sensible approach to move towards a cashless society from a dominating cash-based economy.
498  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are any charities or non-profit organizations accepting Bitcoin? on: September 27, 2017, 09:48:03 AM
Are any charities or non-profit organizations accepting Bitcoin or other altcurrencies?

It seems like the technology would be a huge leap forward for charities and NPOs because of the transparency involved, especially with regard to blockchain. Of course, donors would need to be savvy with the technology.

So, let's start listing them here. Which charities and NPOs are accepting bitcoin or altcurrencies?

Here's a list of some popular humanitarian, social, religious, educational, political, scientific charities that accept Bitcoin, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758674.0

Donation-accepting organizations and projects, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Donation-accepting_organizations_and_projects

List of Bitcoin non-profits around the world, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_Bitcoin_non-profits_around_the_world

BitHope - Bitcoin crowdfunding, https://bithope.org

Bitcoin For Charity, http://bitcoinforcharity.com/bitcoin-charity-list/
499  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoincollector a legit site? on: September 27, 2017, 05:02:45 AM
The easiest, fastest, most convenient and most effective way to obtain bitcoins is to buy them.

You can spend weeks clicking on links or spamming the forum or whatever to earn maybe 0.001 BTC or you can pay $5. Your choice.

I already know that, just asking about any info of the site mentioned in the OP.

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BitcoinCollector is a free bitcoins sites aggregator. That means that we maintain a list of sites that offer free bitcoins, and presents them to you in a way that allows you to collect them in a timely manner.

The site isn't a faucet, but a collection of faucets, a faucet rotator/list. They can't scam you, but the faucets listed on their website can. A couple of other popular faucet rotator/list:

http://ifaucet.net/bitcoin/browser/

https://bit.makejar.com
500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Theory: Satoshi Nakamoto is DPR (Ross Ulbricht silkroad founder) on: September 22, 2017, 02:53:22 AM
Today I was reading some theories about who is Satoshi Nakamoto, and it came to me, that DPR (Ross Ulbricht, founder of Silkroad) is Satoshi Nakamoto

Most people can agree that Satoshi:
* is American
* is a skilled programmer
* knows a lot about cryptography and economics

Guess what, DPR studied economics extensively in college, and we all know DPR can code and have a keen interest in cryptography.

The biggest hint is the perfectly lined up timeline:
The last time Satoshi was involved in Bitcoin was around January 2011, Silkroad launched in February 2011. So if DPR was Satoshi, this would explain why Satoshi suddenly backed off from the Bitcoin development, he was too busy developing and running Silkroad!

Then I digged a little more and found:
DPR moved 1000 BTC that was mined in January 2009, which can only belong to Satoshi or Hal Finney. We know Hal Finney isn't DPR, so there's only one possibility left.

Also this would explain why after DPR was arrested, Satoshi's Bitcoins were never sold or moved, Satoshi himself never showed up anywhere. Because DPR lost his freedom and is rotting in a prison cell.

DPR (Ross Ulbricht) is Satoshi Nakamoto, he was arrested and sentenced to life in prison not just for running Silkroad, it is for something much more.

Ross U/pirate ain't Satoshi. There is another possibility/another hypothetical statement can be made about "variety Jones". The guy who stepped in to secure the Silk Road network, coder, cryptography, mentor of DPR, but he got caught in Thailand. DPR isn't smart enough to be Satoshi.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
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