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481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
I knew that these low prices were artifical. Wall Street is around the corner. Time to get leveraged all-in again asap.

Yes. Wallstreet is about to get in. 2 weeks.

lol
482  Economy / Speculation / Re: NYSE invests in bitcoin ecosystem on: January 20, 2015, 10:52:56 PM
Remind me, what does coinbase again, exactly?

Mostly monetize user data streams for business intel purposes would be my guess.  A well proven business model.  It'll be interesting to see if they are bought by Wells-Fargo or the Apple/Google class crowd.  When the deal goes down (which could be what we are seeing) it may well be more beneficial for the purchaser to keep them outwardly independent...it would not make much difference to their 'product line' but it would be better for PR perhaps and a little bit of isolation helps on the legal front often times.

Coinbase seems to take a dim view of people who simply have control of a certain number of BTC even when the history is pretty easily traced.  When it's not, they apparently simply cancel accounts from what I pick up from Maxwell's input.  No wonder he's extra-motivated to try to change the course of Bitcoin's trajectory.



I don't get it.

What I do get is their exchange and money transmitting business and it's principal long term profitability, and that they represent an important name related to Bitcoin.
I don't think they have any other business model, don't think they have any use for investor capital and I see it questionable if they stand up to scrutiny once regulation comes through.

But what the hell, I better not complain.  Grin
The more risky business done with more money when it comes to Bitcoin, the greater chance there is for another hilariousity meltdown. I guess whoever slung a cool 75 mil at them couldn't wait for the fat chance that after regulation there could be others dumping even more in.
483  Economy / Speculation / Re: NYSE invests in bitcoin ecosystem on: January 20, 2015, 08:55:44 PM
Remind me, what does coinbase again, exactly?
484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2015, 05:37:29 AM
Latest news from our YouTube friend  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIIg-jfAss
This is the face of the bear cultists. And he's been at it since 2011.

The thing with the face of Bitcoin Cultists is they become villains after some time.

like this guy: http://youtu.be/zeJSRboDb2A

They then become the face of the Comedy Cultists, this happens consistently
... and they never go back.  Cheesy
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

That just sounds far less funny than it actually is.
485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2015, 04:39:37 AM
Latest news from our YouTube friend  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIIg-jfAss
This is the face of the bear cultists. And he's been at it since 2011.

The thing with the face of Bitcoin Cultists is they become villains after some time.

like this guy: http://youtu.be/zeJSRboDb2A

They then become the face of the Comedy Cultists, this happens consistently
... and they never go back.  Cheesy
486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
this week looks super exciting

i guess changetip on facebook will go viral

this could be the start of the mass adoption phase

Don't you people have any kind of self-awareness?
487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 18, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Normally I don't do EW, but this seems blatantly obvious to me.

Or can somebody invalidate that count?
488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let’s All Admit that the Bitcoin Price Bubble Has Popped on: January 18, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
It's the first time that price went below the high of the previous cycle.

It's done that before. What about back in 2011 when it went from $15-$30 and then down to $3?

It went from cents to $32, to $2. What happened after didn't create a new high or low until $266.

32 was wave 1
266 was wave 3
1200 was wave 5

everything in-between were sub-waves.
Is the current wave 7? Or do you think it is yet to come ?

We could be at the dawn of wave 7.

You better never tell that a real Elliott follower. There are people who believe in this stuff.
489  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin/alts adoption/infrasture the next bubble? on: January 18, 2015, 08:07:50 AM
What this boils down to is bitpay & co and the claim that this means merchant adoption, which I view as fishy.
If there is an adoption bubble that would be what it is centered about.
490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2015, 07:56:01 AM
"The card industry wants to perpetuate the myth that using a credit card is free, or priceless. But the cost is baked into the price of all the goods and services we buy."

Thats why alot of places have given up on all that BS and raised the cash prices to same level as credit card price to create the illusion that credit price is same as cash.

By alot you mean pretty much everywhere. The thing is consumers don't care about fees if they come out of the merchants profit margin, which they are if prices are the same for other payment methods.
491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let’s All Admit that the Bitcoin Price Bubble Has Popped on: January 18, 2015, 06:57:51 AM
Thanks, is the post below that states "Elliott Waves can be drawn as such that the price will never ever go higher" wrong too? I never heard any of the chart guys say that before.

It's a valid count, nothing more nothing less. That means it can happen that way, it also means that in hindsight it could turn out differently, and that after wave C where price is around 1.62 times of wave 1 (32*1.62=$51.82)  it can lead to another, larger cycle which means another ATH beyond $1200. Mind you can happen, not must happen, it's also in the realm of possibility that this was it and Bitcoin is a FAD, in which case many analysts will say they have predicted it all along. (Which they will probably do in either case)

There can also be another valid count in which 266 was actually a sub-wave and 1200 was wave 3, but it doesn't invalidate my count, as of now. The thing is bulltards always say we're at wave 3 since it means we will be going up, uP, UP for the longest time. The tardiest of all bulltards even think wave 3 still hasn't ended.
492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let’s All Admit that the Bitcoin Price Bubble Has Popped on: January 18, 2015, 06:46:51 AM
It's the first time that price went below the high of the previous cycle.

It's done that before. What about back in 2011 when it went from $15-$30 and then down to $3?

It went from cents to $32, to $2. What happened after didn't create a new high or low until $266.

32 was wave 1
266 was wave 3
1200 was wave 5

everything in-between were sub-waves.

Not a single EW analyst thinks that. None.

Bullshit

It doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks, if it's a valid count all you can do is see if it turns out to be the right count later on.
493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let’s All Admit that the Bitcoin Price Bubble Has Popped on: January 17, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
It's the first time that price went below the high of the previous cycle.

It's done that before. What about back in 2011 when it went from $15-$30 and then down to $3?

It went from cents to $32, to $2. What happened after didn't create a new high or low until $266.

32 was wave 1
266 was wave 3
1200 was wave 5

everything in-between were sub-waves.
494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let’s All Admit that the Bitcoin Price Bubble Has Popped on: January 17, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Here is the thing. Older users here have seen all this before over and over and over. Pls explain how this time is different from the $30 to $3 crash, the $266 to $60 crash and all the other crashes. Literally everytime there is a crash people start posting those exact same graphs.

It's the first time that price went below the high of the previous cycle.
Elliott Wave followers call that wave A.

This also means that for the first time Elliott Waves can be drawn as such that the price will never ever go higher.
495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2015, 08:17:40 PM
Because mod asked for more pics.



the first one i found funny, there is hope yet.
496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Exchange "hacks" on: January 16, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
I think how that is accomplished is fairly easy. The backdoor or security vulnerability is left open on purpose by operators, and when the time is right is exploited by the persons who left it there in the first place.
The result: If done right there is plausible deny ability if the "hacker" ever becomes a suspect in any criminal investigation.

That goes for the more sophisticated scams, lesser ones probably just cut and run..
497  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Auction proceeds from silk road should be distributed to Mt. Gox victims on: January 15, 2015, 11:45:08 PM
498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
I agree not very good theory, do you have one?

Keeping the proceeds from silk road and stashing them, thus shortening the supply.
It's scams, all the way down.
499  Economy / Speculation / Re: The destinction between FAD and CULT. on: January 15, 2015, 06:41:20 PM
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The moral of the story, if Bitcoin becomes cult it won't change any utility it has now, and if it stays a fad you won't even admit you were into it one day.
False dichotomy. It's just a rehash of the tulip mania argument. Fads have turned into a hundreds of billions collectible, art, and antique markets. Cults have morphed Roman Catholicism into 30 thousand Christian denominations. Bitcoin will be neither collectibles because they require a network, nor can they be morphed without their utter destruction.

It's in the sense different to the tulip mania argument that it doesn't aim at the price as an argument.

What this is about is utility. Everybody who owns a TB-303 does so because they are into Acid, a style of electronic music and they want to own an authentic instrument.  That is the case because for any other style of music the TB-303 isn't as well suited as other instruments, and hence others aren't willing to pay the market price.
This is also why prices don't crash, even when there is an abundance of alternatives.


With fads people buy stuff because other people did, even if they don't have a reason to own it. Price bubbles are just a symptomatic of the fad-iness, not an argument about systematics.
500  Economy / Speculation / Re: The destinction between FAD and CULT. on: January 15, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Okay, took me a minute or two to process it, but I get it. Bitcoin will success no matter if it is perceived as a fad or a cult. We are just going through a growing pains, that's all. Thank you, electricmucus!

That's not what I'd call success. The TB-303 was meant as a replacement for bass players for solo musicians, and it flopped so hard that production barely lasted two years.
It eventually became sought after because it has something unique and useful.

If Bitcoin stays the de-facto currency of the dark web this would be the case. The issue is it has gone beyond that which are more characteristic of a fad, like using it for online retail or as an "investment".
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