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4801  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Foreign bitcoin exchange. on: August 18, 2012, 11:58:24 AM
Hi there is no trusted exchangers near my location. Will have to get an international cc. What sites do you recommend, or what way with less transaction fees to buy bitcoins with a cc?

That's going to be really tough to do.  Here is amethod:


With VirWoX you can buy SLL using PayPal or Credit Card, then trade SLL for BTC:
 - http://www.VirWoX.com


Now if you are buyng bitcoins to transfer funds, this method doesn't help much but I'll share it just in case.  You can buy physical Bitcoin, paid for with credit card:
 - http://memorydealers.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bitcoin

You don't mention where you are.  There might be a digital currency exchange where you can buy a currency, such as Liberty Reserve, and then use that to buy bitcoins.  Some take credit card, though not many  Also, there is Bitcoin Nordic which takes CashU, and CashU takes UKash.  That means nearly a hundred countries combined are covered:

 - http://www.BitcoinNordic.com
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CashU
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/UKash


Here's another possible method if you are in one of these countries listed below:

  • Australia
  • Austria
  • Bahamas
  • Bahrain
  • Belgium
  • Brunei
  • Canada
  • China
  • France
  • Germany
  • Greece
  • Guam
  • Hong Kong
  • Israel
  • Italy
  • Japan
  • Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
  • Kuwait
  • Lebanon
  • Malaysia
  • Netherlands
  • New Zealand
  • Oman
  • Palau
  • Poland
  • Portugal
  • Qatar
  • Republic of Ireland
  • Saipan
  • Singapore
  • South korea
  • Spain
  • Switzerland
  • Taiwan
  • United Arab Emirates
  • United Kingdom
  • United States of America


There is an exchange in the Philippines that performs exchange to and from bitcoins, and they accepts GCash payments for the purchase of bitcoins.

So, ... to use transfer money to the exchanger's GCash mobile wallet, visit a Globe GCash Send-out location:

 - http://gcash.globe.com.ph/remit-paano-maghanap-intl.php  (scroll down and click on your country)

Coordinate first with the Philippine exchange:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88320.msg1087417#msg1087417

This is a newly discovered approach, so you might want to be cautious, like not send a large amount until you've done successful transaction to confirm that it works.
4802  Economy / Trading Discussion / LiteForex - Accepts bitcoin for deposits, withdrawals on: August 18, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
I happened across this press release:

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July 16, 2012

NEW PAYMENT SYSTEM FOR LITEFOREX’S CLIENTS

LiteForex group of companies is offering its clients a new method of depositing into a trading account and withdrawing funds.   Now you have the opportunity to use the Bitcoin system.

Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency using peer-to-peer technology.
This system has a number of advantages; the main ones are autonomous work with no centralized authority, high security, and absolute anonymity when making payments.   

To deposit in the account via Bitcoin system, you need to be logged-in in the system.
Please be aware that withdrawals of funds are allowed only through Bitcoin in case you used this system for depositing in the account.

I haven't used them.  They are based out of Russia.  They do claim to have representatives in a number of countries:

 - http://www.liteforexpartner.com/contacts/representative

Here is a profile:

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The largest Forex the broker of Russia, known low deposits for beginning traders.

 - http://www.pro-master.org/en/forex/liteforex/reg.htm
4803  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Need instant $ for my btc..PLZ help..!!! on: August 18, 2012, 11:01:34 AM
but i need instantly $ for my btc
or even i can give u mtgox code

all i need in return is $ in LR

You can cash out to LR in a number of ways.  A few exchanges offer this.

- http://www.BTC-E.com  allows LR withdrawal, for example.

A comprehensive list of cash-out methods:

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Selling_bitcoins
4804  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: James Turk's Q&A with GoldMoney followers includes section on Bitcoin on: August 18, 2012, 10:54:22 AM
started recommending it around $0.05, to a few of Mr. Turk's friends in person even,[/i].

There's an interesting article about GoldMoney.  Have you seen it?  Cheesy

 - http://www.runtogold.com/goldmoney/goldmoney-scam-goldmoney-fraud-complaints-problems/
4805  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: James Turk's Q&A with GoldMoney followers includes section on Bitcoin on: August 18, 2012, 10:44:28 AM
Source

From the relevant section quoted below, James Turk (founder of GoldMoney) clearly doesn't yet grasp the nature of Bitcoin, equating it with fiat currencies "backed by nothing". Oddly enough, GoldMoney accepts fiat currencies backed by nothing. His response really had nothing to do with Bitcoin at all. Sadly, this view probably won't change for some time, if ever.

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25) Felix Fms: When will I be able to fund/withdraw my GoldMoney Holding with Bitcoins?

JT: Probably never. BitCoins are the ultimate currency backed by nothing. It is not money in my view because money is a tangible asset, and BitCoins are not.

I don't know who originally came up with idea of referring to Bitcoin as being "both the blood and the veins", but that would have been a perfect way to respond to this.  Bitcoin is both a store of value (blood) and the veins (payment network).

James Turk is describing how he does not believe Bitcoin has value as an asset.  But the question was simply asking when Bitcoin would be a payment method directly supported by GoldMoney.com.  Using the analogy for James Turk's company, Gold is the blood but there is no gold-based veins.  There was for a while.  GoldMoney used to have Metals Payments, where you could pay to another party some of your GoldGrams from your account.  Ruxum exchange (now defunct) once accepted GoldMoney metals payments as a deposit method in which those funds would then be used to buy bitcoins.  Late last fall, however, GoldMoney discontinued the GoldGrams metal payments system (except for those in the nation of Jersey, which is where GoldMoney operates from).

Now there are some innovations to watch in this space.  Some of the same innovation that is related to Bitcoin also works for precious metals.  We already have had an asset backed security on GLBSE.  That is not really the same as GoldMoney's service since with GoldMoney you can withdraw as physical ... with some restrictions.  Also the organization behind that specific GLBSE issue may not have been audited, the asset may not have been verified, etc.  And GLBSE itself as an exchange is not entirely without risk.

An upcoming  development to watch is Open Transactions (OT).   OT makes it possible for there to be a GoldMoney of the cyber-equities space.  This is discussed in the GoldMoney thread:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24714.msg523685#msg523685

And there have been other approaches discussed:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76318.0
4806  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Where can I exchange BTC to LR (liberty reserve) on: August 18, 2012, 09:31:43 AM
Does anyone know where I can exchange BTC (or Mt Gox codes USD) for Liberty Reserve?

BTC-e allows withdrawal using Liberty Reserve:

 - http://www.BTC-E.com

The full list of exchanges and their withdrawal methods:

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Selling_bitcoins
4807  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halving block reward will NOT double the price! on: August 18, 2012, 06:54:39 AM
what if auxiliary services like pools mess up on the halving and give out too many (or too few?) coins,

each and every node verifies each block to ensure it complies with the protocol, or it rejects the block.  This has been coded (and tested) long ago.
4808  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halving block reward will NOT double the price! on: August 18, 2012, 06:51:34 AM
I have a very, very hard time believing the halving of the block reward is going to double the price.

Some believe that block reward drop is already baked into the current price.


What's more likely to happen, if ASICs aren't out yet, is the BTC network will lose a lot of hashing power and possibly implode.

Nobody knows the minimum level of mining capacity and its distribution that would still protect against an attack.  It has been estimated, however, that if an attack was done for financial benefit (i.e., using the attack to carry out a successful double spend)  then it is more than 10X more powerful than is needed to protect against that threat.  (i.e. it would cost millions of dollars to carry out an attack that would yield, at best, well under a million dollars worth of financial gain.

The reason the amount of hashing is so high is not that bitcoin needs such levels, but that the block rewards provides an incentive for this level of mining.  There's a big difference.   If hashing power drops in half after the block reward drops in half, we're still probably just fine.
4809  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: cash4wm.com fraud or not? on: August 18, 2012, 06:15:08 AM
I was looking for a way to exchange Liqpay -> Okpay

Not sure if this will help, but in case you weren't aware -- you can buy bitcoins through LiqPay from Bitcoin-24.  OKPay then will take bitcoins directly to load funds.

 - http://bitcoin-24.com/deposit

4810  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: no balance per address shown in bitcoin-qt? on: August 18, 2012, 06:04:00 AM
Can I also just check that conceptually, wallets are a purely client-side concept, just a way that a client aggregates multiple addresses together?

The wallet tries to make it so the concept of transferring money occurs in a familiar context.

Technically, however, it does not work the way it seems.   Bitcoins don't "transfer" from one wallet to the next.    Transactions are simply ledger entries.   The wallet holds the private keys necessary to create a transaction that spends from the coins received.

So the client will compute a total, and show transactions.   But all that can be done using the blockchain, without even having the wallet.dat, and instead just knowing which Bitcoin addresses were in the wallet.

That's what a service, BTCBalance.net offers:

 - http://btcbalance.net
4811  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Another 7970 on: August 18, 2012, 05:45:27 AM
With the recent rise in BTC value I'm thinking of adding another 7970 to my rig.

Taking BFL at their word, in about 90 days difficulty will be skyrocketing due to their shipping of ASIC models.  In less than thirty days after that (early December) the block reward drops in half to 25 BTC per block.

Just out of curiosity, since you decided to add capacity using GPU is this because you still think you can mine profitably by the end of the year, or do you plan to just mine on it while the profits are possible and then sell it without taking too much of a hit since there still is demand for it?

(Or, are you betting ASICs really are further out and won't see them in 2012, perhaps?)
4812  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Brand New to bitcoin on: August 18, 2012, 04:00:39 AM
I would like to do this but I want to know this is legit and not some pyramid scam.

When you say "would like to do this", what might you be referring to?

Bitcoin is a commodity.  Because only so many bitcoins exist and are issued at a fixed rate, they are used for speculation.   That is what most bitcoins are used for thus far.  Speculation does carry risks -- you may gain if the exchange rate rises or you might lose money if the exchange rate drops.

Others use bitcoins simply for trade.  There may be something you are looking for where the site or merchant accepts bitcoins.  In that instance, there's almost no risk because right after you buy bitcoins you send them to another party, so it probably doesn't matter what the exchange rate is -- the price you are paying to the merchant likely adjusts along with the exchange rate.

For many new arrivals here, the person first learned about bitcoins after reading that bitcoins are mined and that you can make money having your computer do mining. Unfortunately for most, that's either inaccurate or something that is more difficult than initially is let on.   To mine, you first need suitable hardware.   If you already have an ATI Radeon HD series GPU in your computer, and your electric rates are average or less (e.g., $0.15 per kWh), then maybe mining is something you might wish to pursue.  If you don't have that hardware, then know that mining requires investment in time and requires the expenditure of money for equipment.  The investment essential becomes a form of speculation on the future exchange rates and on the future levels of competition brought by other miners.

So, it is good that you are proceeding cautiously.   Welcome!
4813  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Foreign bitcoin exchange. on: August 18, 2012, 03:32:31 AM
The ones that require us bank account. If the other person expecting the money, resident on usa, have one can i directly sell bitcoins, and exchange them to his account?

I think you are asking if you can convert bitcoins to dollars and send those dollars to someone else's bank account?

The answer is yes.  There are multiple ways, but one is to use an exchange that offers ACH withdrawal.

Two of the exchanges in the U.S. that offer this at no charge:

 - http://www.BitFloor.com
 - http://www.CampBX.com

To send the funds, you simply need that person's ABA# (bank routing number) and account number.  The recipient will need to provide this information to you -- the ABA and account number can be found at the bottom of a check. 

You could also withdraw to PayPal USd, providing the recipient's PayPal address as the recipient address.  One of the providers that offers this service is:

 - http://www.FastCash4Bitcoins.com

Instead of PayPal, there is another service, Dwolla, which works with bank accounts.   This would let you withdraw from certain exchanges to the recipient's Dwolla account.   Two exchanges that let you withdraw to any Dwolla account are:

 - http://www.CampBX.com
 - http://www.Intersango.com

There are even ways the person you are paying can get cash by doing an in-person trade.  This can be done using Locall Bitcoins:

 - http://www.LocalBitcoins.com

You could even use a service that will cash out bitcoins and send the dollars in the mail:

 - http://www.Get-Bitcoins.com
4814  Economy / Goods / Re: Feeler: Quad copters (Semi-assembled kits) on: August 18, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
So I'm just wondering, are there interest for this in the bitcoin community?

You've already missed out on a sale!

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Hey @thequadshot guys! Any update on when my Mocha is shipping Smiley Ordered a while ago!

 - https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/235841692098502656
4815  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 1.00$ Low: Whats wrong with bitstamp.net?? on: August 18, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
I had a buy order at 9.something$ it didnt get filled though.

Misreported or trading system glitch. 

The charts currently no longer show that, though the data on Bitcoin Charts still does.
4816  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: 215.00 paypal FOR BTC on: August 18, 2012, 01:07:21 AM
Hello, I have 215 available in paypal. I'm looking to cash out for btc. PM me the amount of btc you would do for it. Scammers I Hope you to try and waste a little more life.

If you can't find someone here willing to do a trade, there are some options.  Do you have a PayPal debit card?  If so, here are some methods:


With VirWoX you can buy SLL using PayPal or Credit Card, then trade SLL for BTC:
 - http://www.VirWoX.com

This does't help you right away, but in the future you can buy physical Bitcoin, paid for with credit card:
 - http://memorydealers.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bitcoin


Here's one method those in the U.S. might be able to use to buy bitcoins using credit card.

There is a new money transfer service called Remitly.   They let you send funds, with the transaction funded by a credit card, to the Philippines -- via the GCash network.  This is primarily intended to be for remittance payments to the Philippines.

There is an exchange in the Philippines that performs exchange to and from bitcoins, and accepts GCash payments for the purchase of bitcoins.

So, ... to use Remitly, the send money form will ask for your name, address, date of birth, and last four digits of SSN. 

The Philippine exchange:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88320.msg1087417#msg1087417
4817  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Should bitcoin lower the transaction fee? on: August 18, 2012, 12:30:18 AM
So much for bitcoin selling its self for free and instant transactions?

Nobody except for you and a couple other wishful thinkers are trying to sell Bitcoin as being free of transaction costs.  Here's Gavin's take on the subject:

Bitcoin isn't suited for transactions worth less than about one US penny-- it wasn't designed or intended for lots of micro-transactions.

That said, building a micro-transaction system on top of bitcoin is certainly possibly (see witcoin or youtipit for some examples-- or see the way the Bitcoin Faucet is handling payments recently, bundling up lots of small transactions to send them without paying outrageous fees).



Maybe if bitcoin is shaped by enough people like you it won't become what I suggest.  Then the next p2p alt-coin who can sort out the blockchain bloating will.


Proof-of-work alt coins all have the same problem as bitcoin -- computing costs, communications costs and storage costs make it impossible to provide free transactions.   Bitcoin is very low cost compared to all existing payment network alternatives.  Providing an EWallet or using EWallet services can provide options to make it operate with even less expense.  Open Transactions can provide this benefit as well.

Related threads:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94403.0
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95218.0
4818  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Stuck tx in armory on: August 17, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
It's actually a bet to SD from a long time ago, and I have money coming in from hashking and I dont see it anywhere. Another 5 BTC is due back to me and I don't want it lost.

I'm out of suggestions myself.  Perhaps Armory isn't synching with bitcoind.   

Perhaps you can post your question on the Armory thread?

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56424.0
4819  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Using real names in a cooperative Bitcoin app? on: August 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Would it be worth it to require real names, ala Facebook, when using the service and interacting with others online to enhance that trust. Or is the culture of Internet anonymity too much to the point where few people would want to sign up?

Can it be a hybrid, like how GLBSE works?   GLBSE says whether or not the asset issuer has provided identity but the issuer can operate under an alias such that nobody except GLBSE knows the issuer's real name.




4820  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Long Deep Tunnel on: August 17, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Is it fairly common that it takes this long to find a bitcoin or did we just run into a bad luck spot?

Are you referring to a specific pool? 

Block generation is occurring as normal:

 - http://blockchain.info/blocks/1345240981413
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