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5381  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Have people been forced to pay tax over Bitcoin yet? on: December 06, 2017, 03:02:39 AM
Quite curious if this has been the case. Obviously I'm hoping it haven't been the case.

I haven't seen anyone paid tax using bitcoin here in my country especially when you consider that most of the population here does not even know about bitcoin. Due to that case, I guess that our government is slightly lenient when it comes to the implementation and execution of laws relevant to the usage of bitcoin. But according to my colleague who interviewed the lawyers at our BSP (Central Bank), bitcoin in the Philippines is being categorized as 'property', thus making it not subject to legal tender (paying for debts). Also, the bitcoins that you earn from mining fall under the category of 'other income' making it taxable. The problem is, I do not know anyone here who mines bitcoin due to the exception of having a super powered computer.
5382  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is It advisable to quit my present job for bitcoin? on: December 06, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
Yeah it would be very risky if you get out of your real job and then just rely on bitcoin income, if you do not have a definite or steady income from bitcoin then it would be better if you keep working in real job. after all work on bitcoin can be done part-time. you just need to manage the time to work in real jobs and in bitcoin can be done
 

even in real jobs there is also a risk that you may fired out by your boss or other unexpected problems in your company that might lead you to get kicked out of your current job.  i can say that because i experienced it before back on the time when i was still working on a real job but now after i discovered crypto , all i can say that is 3 times better when compared to outside jobs because your earnings are doubled and maybe trippled plus it is less hassel and stressfull because you hold your time and you dont have a terror boss that will dictate you on what to do.

Still, it is advisable for an individual to keep their present jobs while at the same time pursuing bitcoin as an alternative way of earning income. The skills, knowledge and abilities you gain from your company outweighs the income you receive from bitcoin alone. Not to mention, having a stable income every month requires you to meet your monthly obligations while having extra for your savings. In the event that you leave your job and pursue bitcoin as your main source of income, then you are relying on a very volatile, decentralized and unpredictable currency that may make or break your situation. Again, do not leave your job as you always have the option to serve two worlds at the same time.
5383  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why people from 3rd countries are crazy about getting cryptos? on: December 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PM
This is a serious problem, i dont have anything about those people, because it is not their fault to be borned in there.

But i have noticed that they all are just doing the same, introduce themselves into cryptos in order to have a better future.

Why you all are looking for the same? i mean, most of you are hoping to be millionaires and you are the first reason of why bitcoin has been so hyped lately.

Probably 1,5/3 of total forum population is from Philippines and Indonesia, and those are the majority in here, and you all are hyping bitcoin as hell.

Is there a reason to be buying bitcoins like crazy people? Or just trying to get them at any cost? Please, give me some explanations, maybe i am missing something.


This is not a racist thread, i just want to know more about your situation.

Though you may be right but who does not want to risk the opportunity of being rich with cryptocurrencies? I am from the Philippines and I heavily understand the implications of investing into bitcoin. Being in a third-world country is very difficult to manage especially when you are surrounded by corrupt politicians. You are going to exert all the means in order to alleviate your current situation and bitcoin may be the ladder in order to take the first step towards being successful. I am not saying that bitcoin will make me successful, but personally it already changed my way of living in terms of giving value to money.

About the situation of being hyped, I also want to know on why did you choose Indonesia and the Philippines as the catalyst to this conflict. In the Philippines, most of the population are under the poverty line and only a handful of people know bitcoin. Also, there are a lot of DEVELOPED countries that contribute to this situation and not only the PHILIPPINES and INDONESIA are responsible for this. Though I want to be objective as possible, you really need to check the facts first before making a thread that damages the integrity of these countries.
5384  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading vs holding on: December 05, 2017, 11:17:20 AM
Under what circumstances is trading preferred over holding?
Btc reaching 10k$ way before new year is a big shock,your opinions would be very helpful.

This primarily depends on the abilities, skill, and determination you have when it comes to trading since it may involve a series of requests that differ from one service to another. Some people might require you to make campaign signatures for them or to translate certain sentences to a specified language. Though the pay may be high, you are also dealing with risk since there is always the tendency of your client scamming you after you are done with their requested service.

Holding bitcoins on the other hand requires time and patience. Though the risk might be similar to trading, holding bitcoins is based on the price of bitcoins in the market. In the event that the price drops, expect your coins to drop in price as well. It really depends on what you prefer to do but personally I would suggest holding and doing trading at the same time to maximize outputs and profits.
5385  Economy / Economics / Re: Will there ever be a Bitcoin Bank on: December 04, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Does anyone on here think that there is ever going to be Bitcoin Bank, be it something which is centralized or something which isn't really doesn't matter. But I'd think of this as a company, or a union (like one of those credit union banks) where loans would be given out to people with trust, money is held, and so on and so forth.

I know many think that they can escape banks, but they are insanely helpful and trustworthy for many everyday people who we'd want to join into the BTC community.

Providing a bitcoin bank to a decentralized currency is impossible and people would rather keep it onto their wallets due to other related banking fees that might escalate in the future. I mean, what's the purpose of the bank anyway? Though one might argue for the enhancement of security but this would only lead to conflict within the government agencies especially when you accept a currency that has been viewed as foreign to other countries as well. Also, accepting bitcoin into a bank where its price is highly volatile would only result to a disruption in the market and has the potential of doing damage in terms of its price.
People would rather store their bitcoins in a hardware wallet rather than storing it into a bank that has potential fees in the future.
5386  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why I suddenly decided to leave gambling alone. on: December 04, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
The story of yours why you suddenly decided to leave gambling alone is not only happened with you it happens in most of the gamblers life. My case is I not left gambling I just go for fun and I know my limit after reading this I have an idea to stop what I am doing.
Its good that you only do gambling for fun and you put limit every time you gamble but I know for sure that there are times that you cannot control your emotions and you will bet more than your limits. Its better to really stop gambling and just focus in earning bitcoin.

Earning bitcoins from where? there is no free lunch and so it's better he gambles  for profit but must be disciplined and not reckless like the first time. There are many gamblers out there who don't have plans for the games neither do they set limits for themselves and they are often plunged into addiction beyond reform.

Its so hard for those gamblers to decide for leaving the gambling activity, but about addictions I thinks it needs proper attentions because staying for more years with that activities might bankruot a persons savings. Some who earns bitcoin in a first place isn't worth profitable due to its been loss through non profitable bets, while on a very struggling games.

Based on my experiences, its really a hard road to tackle. A lot of mental challenges and most of times I can't really resist my gambling addictions. Although I really try to fight it hard mentality. The only thing that keeps me away from gambling is that I always think of my losses in the past. If I think how much I have lost, then I lost my enthusiasm to play because I don't want to go to that experience again. Hard to deal with a loss specially if you lost big in a day. And earning bitcoin right now its getting harder so I also think that I might as well save it for the future instead of just using it in gambling an lost.

Seriously, I do hope that more people should similarly think like you. The problem arises when they feel that gambling can be profitable in the long run but in reality, it isn't. I do understand that it is very hard to resist gambling, especially when the returns are significantly big with a short amount of time. You may have the potential of doubling all of your bitcoins but there is also the chance of losing them one-by-one especially in a losing streak. This creates an endless cycle of hope, that they think that betting more would regain there losses but will only lead to them exhausting everything.
5387  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is is still a good time to Invest in Bitcoin? on: December 04, 2017, 12:20:34 AM
it is still appropriate to invest in bitcoin, as it seems that the price is now slightly down and the good opportunity to buy it to invest in it, with bitcoin investment certainly has opportunity to earn a good profit in the future, as bitcoin progress will continue to increase along with growth of bitcoin adoption in various countries.
Price is going low now so I really feel that this the best time to buy bitcoins as its really low price in compare to past few days and if you invest in it now and hold it longer then you are likely to make very good profits in very quick time as price is very low now and it can go higher in coming days.
I can see that a lot of people are always looking forward to crash instead of corrections and even when those corrections come, they always end up still not utilizing it to buy so as to make some good profits at those moments.

It is funny really and I really do not care much when to buy since I know that in the long run, whatever I am holding is still going to end up pretty valuable.

A crash is a good opportunity to buy bitcoin but it is true that just like what you said, people just wait but do not grab the opportunity. It is funny but maybe these people are looking forward to it hoping that the money they have will be enough or enough for them to be able to fund an investment. Not all people here have the capacity to invest even at low prices so they are waiting for the crash but maybe they are waiting for a much lower price.

Well a crash is definitely the best time to buy bitcoins due to the decrease on its price. If you consider the price history chart, you could see that bitcoin has been increasing consistently making the price of it tomorrow higher than today. Due to this natural occurrence, the best time to invest is really the time that you have the money to invest on. But like what the others said, the ideal time to invest is during a fork or a crash. Just wait a few weeks/months and you must also do your part by checking the news regarding bitcoin for announcements or world-wide declaration that may affect its price.
5388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Teen investing $1,000 .... What should I do ? on: December 03, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
Hello, I have 2 questions:

I have about $1k I want to invest in crypto... being a teen I want to invest this for the long term 5/10 years, what cryptos should I invest in ?

I have looked into Exodus and with the recovery phase, is it a safe way to store crypto ? I know about paper wallets, but they are not a convenient way to access funds and also can be effected by the environment, water, stolen etc... This is why I would like to use exodus, it seems like a good method.

I don't want to use a hardware wallet, If exodus is considered 'safe' I do not feel a hardware wallet is necessary for $1k amount, also its not as convenient.

Thanks !  Smiley


The question is, what kind of investment do you want to make with your bitcoins? Do you want to hold and store it for its value to mature more or are you considering on investing it into cryptocurrency websites such as usi-tech.info, etc.?

If you want to hold your coins for the moment in for extra security, I would choose on providing myself with a hardware wallet so that no one can ever hack it. Second, you should be ready when it comes to investing your money and you must consider it as money that you are willing to lose. Third, you must be updated with any relevant news to bitcoin since you might want to consider the right time to invest it. Lastly when you followed all of the necessary steps, just pray and hope that you yield the profit that you are hoping for.

You know what, my mom always tells me that I should always look forward into investing my money at my current age (college student) since regardless of my investment gaining or losing profit, the damage of losing my money is tolerable compared to people who have obligations to consider.
5389  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Is it illegal for someone to hack my BTC wallet? on: December 03, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I think the answer primarily depends on the laws and regulations of the country that you are staying. The scenario given is very situational, yet intriguing since this things seem to happen commonly. To give you an example, to government agency of my country (Philippines) sees bitcoin as property, therefore being subject to hacking equates to stealing which is punishable under our penal laws. Though proving and getting the culprit might seem impossible, if proven guilt then the individual may face charges against him. Again, this is really dependent on the country that you are staying since some government agencies have their own agenda/perspective when it comes to bitcoin so you better check-it out first.
5390  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Continue my losing streak on: December 03, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
I just have 572 red streak (100x payout) in dice game  Angry
Not a single green. Still keep the same server and client seed because I
will still continue if I has enough bitcoin.
Well maybe if there any big whale or investor who want to continue my bet,
we can talk about terms, conditions and profit sharing  Smiley

Feel free to PM me or ignoring me

Thanks in advance


This is what I have been telling countless of times when it comes to a losing streak. Generally, people would want to win back their losses, hoping that they can regain their money by betting again but at the end, they tend to lose more. Before you gamble, you must first establish the cap of your winnings/losings to avoid any further damage to your resources. The first rule in gambling is knowing WHEN to stop, regardless of you winning or losing.

Personally, I would suggest that you should stop gambling and focus more on methods that will yield you profit in the long-run, rather than relying on the short and risky methods like gambling. Based from my experience, my friends tend to borrow money from me for their gambling and it only lead to their debt increasing more. Stop gambling before you regret losing all of your resources slowly.
5391  Economy / Economics / Re: short term investment or long term invesetment on: December 02, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
When it comes to the investment, many newcomers or people with frequent requirement find it difficult to invest for longer amount of time. Here by short investment i mean any investment which is less than year old. That investment has been cashed out within a year. And by long term investment I mean investment which will be kept for more than year ( ideally 10 years or so).
What do you think which is more beneficial short term investment or long term investment

The question heavily lies on your goal as an investor. This also depends on your financial status, whether or not you have present obligations to consider or pay monthly. Now for short-term investments, it is ideal to invest in this way if you have daily/monthly obligations to meet since you get the most of your money in a short amount of time. For long-term investments, this is for the people who see their bitcoin as a future asset and they consider it as money that they are willing to lose. Since our investments lie on the price of bitcoins, you may also want to check the price history for reference on your decision.
5392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you taxed on Bitcoin? on: December 01, 2017, 11:03:33 PM
In my country, Bitcoin is considered as an asset and so, as long as I do not convert it into fiat money, I have nothing to pay on it or any profit I make in bitcoins. Well that is the only thing that is good in my fiscality.

Also in our country, bitcoin is being regarded as property thus making it impossible for legal tender. Currently, there are no laws prohibiting the usage of bitcoin but mining bitcoin falls under the 'other income' category which is taxable in our country. Fortunately, I own my bitcoins through participating into campaign signatures and through investments. The question is highly dependent on the country of an individual and is relative in terms of scope of each governance. There are countries out there who imposed tax regarding the utilization of bitcoin and you should also check your country regarding the laws to avoid any future conflicts.
5393  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Explain the income in bitcoin ? on: November 30, 2017, 11:46:16 PM
This is a legal issue no one has been able to answer me about

If you win bitcoin with investment, it's easy to declare

What about bitcoins you earn from jobs  ( bounties, regular incomes for helping teams in moderation, etc.) ? It is a job and an income but in bitcoin, so how is it considered and declared?

This depends on the laws on respective countries when it comes to taxable incomes and it will also depend on the scope of each government agency. My colleague interviewed the lawyer at our BSP (Central Bank) and asked if whether bitcoin is legal and taxable. They said that here in the Philippines, they see bitcoin as property, thus it is not subject to legal tender. Also, mining bitcoin falls under the category of 'other income' making it taxable. Since I do know anyone here who mines bitcoin, I really cannot answer if how they declare it under their income tax return. Bitcoin profits are an isolated case where it varies depending on the situation given.
5394  Economy / Speculation / Re: is that bitcoin price will crash after $ 10K? on: November 29, 2017, 05:49:57 AM
Why some people telling that bitcoin price will crash after hitting $10000?.
I don't think it will happen.
How about you guys do you think the price will crash or continue to rise.?

If an asset increases its price tenfold in less than 1 year, investors likely think that it will be a bubble since the faster its price increases, the faster that it will soon pop in the market. Also, big financial/investing companies tend to give their opinions on bitcoin stating that it might crash soon. Well, they might be saying the truth but i am clinging on the fact that they are creating news that degrade bitcoin so investors will pull their investment off, resulting to a decrease on its price. But who really knows? Maybe they are definitely right or wrong, but you can never go wrong into investing today in bitcoin as it continues to rise on the market.
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5396  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Best Countries for Bitcoin Businesses on: November 28, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
What are the best countries in the world to start and run bitcoin businesses?  For example, crypto-equity exchanges, bitcoin gambling, sites like purse.io, etc.  Are there any like this that welcome these sort of businesses and can these businesses avoid scrutiny from foreign regulators or do they still have to comply with the regulations affecting their customers?  Thanks!

Provided under this list are the respective countries:

1. America
2. Canada
3. Australia
4. Japan
5. Singapore
6. India

The reason on why those countries are a suitable place to set-up a bitcoin business is due to the government, accepting its regulation and payment. You can never set-up a business on a country on where they prohibit the utilization of cryptocurrencies in the first place. Second, most of those countries have business establishments that accept bitcoin as an alternative payment. Lastly, due to its constant increase in prices, expect more countries to accept its utilization. Better to start your business now rather than wasting its potential opportunities in terms of price growth.

Source: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/041515/countries-where-bitcoin-legal-illegal.asp
5397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin dies does altcoin die? on: November 28, 2017, 10:41:51 AM
Bitcoin is a very popular crypto coin today, we know that Bitcoin will be very expensive in the future but I imagine if Bitcoin die, whether there will be hope for the future of altcoin? because most altcoin exchanges are to bitcoins
your opinion is highly appreciated. Smiley

It really depends on the reason on why bitcoin has been terminated from the cryptocurrency world. If the reason is due to people, losing their interest and they stop investing/transacting into bitcoin and switched to another cryptocurrency, then other altcoins will remain. But if the reason is due to an intervention of the government, a world-wide sanction, ruling or law banning the utilization of any cryptocurrency around the world, then expect all altcoins to slowly lose their value, and eventually disappearing from existence. It definitely is possible but it is very highly unlikely, considering the positive effects that bitcoin provides in the society.
5398  Economy / Speculation / Re: Would Bitcoin price reach $10K by the end of 2017? on: November 28, 2017, 01:29:06 AM
Six months ago I did not expect this to happen, but now I think it is possible.

Many encouraging news lately.  Here is one of them:

https://qz.com/1133670/bitcoin-price-at-8000-institutional-money-poised-to-enter-the-market/

Bitcoins futures implementation and the participation from institutional investors.

What do you think?

I observed that a lot of people are asking when is the best time to invest and many seem to find confusion for it. You asked this question last November 20, 2017 if bitcoin prices can reach $10,000 by the end of the month and the answer is YES. Currently, the price is around $9600-$9700 and it may soon reach the $10,000 mark by the end of the year. Back on my question, if people invested today they will inevitably earn profit in the long run!

One factor that determines the price of bitcoin is due to the law of demand and supply. Not to mention, big trading companies are starting to accept bitcoin as their trading option which contributes to the price increase. Soon, people on wall street will definitely not ignore bitcoin and we may soon see it as one of the biggest cryptocurrency ever.
5399  Economy / Economics / Re: How did Bitcoin start to price increase? on: November 27, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Bitcoin's value is constantly increasing. Why is the price of bitcoin increasing over time?

Bitcoin's price is heavily influenced by time and the number of investors. As time passes by, people start to recognize its existence due to the blockchain technology of transfer of money. Not to mention its decentralized nature, people used it as the main currency under the dark web, which heavily influenced a lot of abusers into buying bitcoin. Slowly, people began to realize bitcoin's existence and a lot of investors are risking their money due to its high-risk, high-reward factor. Lastly, the supply and demand of bitcoin determines its price on the market due to its 21 million cap.
5400  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin community is rising. on: November 26, 2017, 02:29:18 AM
This is true. Interest in bitcoin is increasing. More and more people are very intrigued and very excited get more information about it. It also a high time to invest so people can secure their future. A lot of cryptocurrency are now emerging but nothing still beats one of the best, Ethereum! You may check this link for more information: www.propthereum.io
Probably its true, today community of bitcoin are keep on rising because bitcoin has already make a noise to the point that anyone who heard and knows it are being interested about bitcoin. And i think this could be a good event for a bitcoin not only for bitcoin itself but also for a bitcoin community.
actually not anyone hears about bitcoin get interested as my experience more of them dont have interest and may think that this is a scam as what my own experience when i first hear about this community i think that this is just another internet scam until the person who represented this to me mbecomes richer because of this thats why i decide to join and invest here.

To the OPs question well in one point this may help bitcoin or the whole crypto being popular but and be known all over the places,but being populated has own disadvantages just like being abusive to the forum or will just do troubles inside the community,what we need is lets help each other same as the crypto to observe those none deserving to be here

There have been recent news regarding some scamming of cryptocurrency (confido.io) that after their ICO, $375,000 were stolen and the founders cannot be traced. Well, situations like this are common in the crypto world, considering its nature of decentralization makes it difficult for it to be regulated by the government. The bitcoin community is inevitably rising due to its price also rising on the market. Big trading companies like GME Inc. has started to accept bitcoin as one of their trading options. This is to be expected and definitely, it brings a positive note on bitcoin as it gains more acceptance and usability.
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