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541  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 24, 2013, 05:55:38 PM
Is anyone else experiencing problem in fetching data from BTC-e?
My bot is unable to do so in the last hours (MtGox and Bitstamp still work correctly).

Yep, had the same problem overnight, but seems better now.


Should be all fixed now Smiley.

Pablo.
542  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 24, 2013, 05:54:55 PM
Hey Pablo,

my bot triggered a buy order earlier today on Bitstamp (@198.4 USD), but didn't buy in with all USD - 2.08 USD were left in the wallet.
Until now, the bot has triggered two additional buy orders (i get those emails everytime, which is a very nice feature btw.), but the money was't touched again.
I already disabled/enabled trading, with no success.
May this be caused by Bitstamp lagging all the day? Or is there perhaps some kind of issue with the bot?
Anyway, it's just $2.08, so no big deal at all - but I wanted to let you know.

Best,
Grinny

Hi Grinny Smiley,
  Because of the way the Bitstamp API works, we can't always trigger a single buy for all your funds, sometime we must trigger multiple buys and there is occasionally a small remainder that isn't traded. We will be tweaking this but it's something that just happens with the Bitstamp API.

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
543  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 24, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
Is BTCChina planned to be added?  Having no fees definitely opens up more frequent trading strategies...

Hi Smiley,
   Yes, but not immediately, we will add it as soon as we push out some of the major services we are currently working on.

Please let me know if you need anything at all.

Smiley

Pablo.
544  Economy / Services / Re: Arbitrage Opportunity WITHIN BTC-E on: October 24, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
Hi Pablo,

Just an idea here. Please shut me down if it's not a worthwhile venture.

Would it be possible to create a bot that could perform arbitrage trades WITHIN an exchange such as BTC-E?

My reason for asking is that BTC-E has various Alt coins as well USD & Russian RUB.  Would it be possible for a bot to detect an arbitrage opportunity between the Alt coins as well the currencies (USD/RUB)?

Thanks Sir.

Hi Pangia Smiley,
   I think this is a great idea and we had an internal discussion about this. There are certain cons to doing this type of bot that I won't go into here to save time, but basically we decided to build another type of bot (secret for now) that although it is not specifically designed for arbitrage, it should eventually let you do this type of thing. There will not be a specifically built arbitrage bot however, for the time being.

Please let me know if I may be of service in any way Smiley.

Pablo.
545  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 23, 2013, 07:55:13 PM
Thanks for the quick reply.
I see your point with EMA as a long term analysis as well, so maybe the spot sell isn't the way we get this fixed.

Maybe the simple way is the way to go.

There is this row above the table which shows "Min. Profit / Max. Profit", right?
What about adding a line: "Final Balance: X BTC (X USD)" in our case: 0.7 btc (138 USD) | cryptotrader does it that way btw.
In general: The profit is shown twice, above the table and within the table, so maybe some space can be saved here...?

Grinny,
 This is a great suggestion, I will add it to the board and see what the developers think.

Let me know if you have any other ideas Smiley.

Pablo.
546  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 23, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
Hey Pablo,

I think the bot's Profit Analysis shown in the backtest is a little bit misleading, because it ignores the actual value of your BTC after the chosen period is over IF you didn't sell them.
Or in short: The bot doesn't calculate the profit for buy&hold right.

Example:

1 week / 100 USD (EMA/threshold, etc. doesn't matter)

Quote
       Time               Type    Price      Value    Profit
16.10.2013 21:45:00   buy   141.260    $99.50   -0.50%

As shown in the example, the bot bought approx. 0.7 BTC @ $141.26 one week ago for a total of $99.50.
Today, the BTC price is at $198, so our 0.7 BTC would be worth $138.

This is not a loss of 0.5% as stated by the bot, it's a profit of 38.7% within one week!

This issue appears very often and kills backtesting over short periods. So I suggest to add a hypothetical sell at the end of all calculations.

Best,
Grinny


Hey Grinny,
   I think I see your point. Basically the back testing takes into account the last trade, since the last action was a "buy" and that buy was at a small loss with respect to the previous trade that's what you see on your screen. The profit/loss analysis is made with respect to the last trade, hence, when the bot sells from this bull run you will see the massive profit you are talking about.

A hypothetical sell at spot is an interesting idea, but it sort of defeats the purpose of back testing as a long term indicator (as said ad nauseaum EMA is a long term strategy and best back tested over the long term) and may encourage people to trade by hand given the at hand profit.

Someone was discussing a few days ago how they would like to manually trade because they would make a substantial amount of money by selling, BTC was around 190 at this point if memory serves. If back testing had included the hypothetical spot profit they may well have missed out on the current 207 price.

I'm not shooting down the idea, I think it's worth looking into and I will float it internally, I'm just thinking of possible drawbacks of including unexecuted trades in the back testing.

Keep them ideas coming Smiley.

Pablo.

547  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 23, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
i guess the bot can win money just if the price crash, right?
i notice the price went up very quickly those days,

Hi Luicon Smiley,
   Price is not really the main factor in bot profitability but rather volatility is more important. Volatile trends manifesting themselves will increase bot profitability.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Pablo.
548  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 23, 2013, 01:24:47 PM


Really you should not be using the BOT if you do not understand that it is not 'willy nilly', the whole point is that over time you will see an increase over a 'normal' human trader, but that may include  taking it in the ass once in a while....
There is a 'run test' function and whilst it is a bit basic, it will give you an idea.

For example the recommended settings would have made a significant loss on Mtgox over the past few days.

It gave me enough of an idea to understand the  functionality is not suitable for trading in such a market at the moment, as it stands the BOT is not quite polished enough, and yep I know it makes money, but is also takes rather more 'hits' than it should.

Personally I'm of the mind that the product is in need of significantly more 'safety mechanisms', but I also do not think that a simple 'stop loss' is the answer, specifically because it can be exploited by other traders and in some cases may well be a significant contributing factor to  a 'flash crash'.

That said and despite the BOT going mad and clearing out all my FIAT, I have still managed to manually trade the account to a significantly better position that the BOT over the last two days.
There are some rather 'shitty' patterns emerging from gox at the moment indicating some very rough BOT trading algorithms.


I agree with your assessment.

It takes more hits than it really should. Which like it or not, deducts from future gains.

Right now I am almost finished writing my own arbitrage bot and testing it through it's paces. I too would like Butter Bot to add certain real time simulation features. I think a simulation feature is better than turning on the bot and letting it do trading. This will help you get an idea of the decisions the bot makes in different situations without risking BTC or USD.

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I would love it if they made a "secure-bot" to "get you out" of the market in the event of a flash crash. Just that feature alone is very useful if you don't intend to do actual EMA based trading. If you do want a bot to watch the current market conditions on a continual basis butter bot would be a good start if you understand the settings.

I think they should package this separate from the normal butter bot set of features.

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There are also other types of already coded software based on ADX that don't take anywhere near "the number of hits" that butter bot takes. (not butter bots fault as ADX is just a better indicator IMO)

There is one publicly available but someone decided the neuter the public code so that it didn't do anything other than prevent losses. I back tested the public version and while it wasn't written to make a profit, it back tested to the beginning of the year and retained 99% value of the currency traded. Had someone with experience redone it to actually "make a profit" it would have no doubt been better than the EMA based bots.

Future version of butter bot will come with different strategies so that people can choose whatever type they prefer.

Hey Smiley,
  All good ideas!

V4 should come with alternate strategy modules, and we are looking at releasing a new and improved trading engine for Butter in the near future to make it even more profitable. Stay tuned.

Pablo.
549  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 23, 2013, 12:51:09 AM
Sorry, if this has been asked before, but is it possible to run two instances of butterbot with different settings using the same key?
Or to be more precise: Will it be possible to run two instances in v3, using one bot for BTC and one for LTC (with the same key)?

Hi Smiley,

You can run two instances of the bot with your same license key on either the same system or different computers. Running on your same system is a tad involved but on different computers it is as easy as install and run, You must use different exchange API keys for each bot however-

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

Hi Pablo.

I would be interested to know how to run multiple instances on the same machine.  I am running multiple instances on multiple machines right now, as each it tuned for the specific exchange.

You can run it by running multiple profiles:

It's pretty easy, here's a description on how to set it up: http://cybernetnews.com/chrome-multiple-profiles/

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
550  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 22, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Sorry, if this has been asked before, but is it possible to run two instances of butterbot with different settings using the same key?
Or to be more precise: Will it be possible to run two instances in v3, using one bot for BTC and one for LTC (with the same key)?

Hi Smiley,

You can run two instances of the bot with your same license key on either the same system or different computers. Running on your same system is a tad involved but on different computers it is as easy as install and run, You must use different exchange API keys for each bot however-

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
551  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 22, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
My bots all stopped getting data from BitStamp @ 0700 this morning (running on multiple machines, so each exchange has tuned settings).

Anybody else seeing this?

Sean,
  We will track this down and get back to you ASAP, it may have to do with some back end work we are doing.

Please drop me a message if you don't hear from me by tomorrow AM.

Pablo.

My BitStamp has apparently come back online...thank you sir!!

*Haven't really seen any sort of profitability from my limited use of the trial. Any plans on supporting other currencies as well as adding additional exchanges (mcxnow of particular interest to me atm)?

Hi Nwfella Smiley,
   We have plans to add other exchanges in the mid term. Altcoins on BTC-E will most likely be a part of V3.

Right now we are devoting all our resources to developing a hosting service for the bot; once that's done we will push out V3 as soon as possible.

Please let me know if you have any questions Smiley.

Pablo.
552  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 22, 2013, 01:36:33 PM
My bots all stopped getting data from BitStamp @ 0700 this morning (running on multiple machines, so each exchange has tuned settings).

Anybody else seeing this?

Sean,
  We will track this down and get back to you ASAP, it may have to do with some back end work we are doing.

Please drop me a message if you don't hear from me by tomorrow AM.

Pablo.

Hey Smiley,
   Bitstamp added a restriction to the API (without notice...) which
our backend ran into, so it couldn't load the prices anymore. It's
fixed now so no one should be experiencing this issue anymore.

Please drop me a line if anyone needs anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
553  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 22, 2013, 12:22:17 AM
My bots all stopped getting data from BitStamp @ 0700 this morning (running on multiple machines, so each exchange has tuned settings).

Anybody else seeing this?

Sean,
  We will track this down and get back to you ASAP, it may have to do with some back end work we are doing.

Please drop me a message if you don't hear from me by tomorrow AM.

Pablo.
554  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 21, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Trying out the demo for this, would like to utilize this for a stop loss function for this software on bitstamp. I don't wish to have the bot actively trading. Is there setting that will allow the stop loss feature to activate during a crash, but doesn't have the bot making trades all willy nilly?

Hi Greenbits Smiley,
   You could use high settings on your thresholds, like 10 and 15 on each.

We would also suggest high settings on stop loss but that's really up to you. Stop loss activation shuts the bot off.

This is not what the bot was designed for, but there are a handful of customers who do it like this.

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
555  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 21, 2013, 02:44:45 PM
Hi Guys,

A short question:
Is it possible to trade in EUR (or any other FIAT currency) on BTC-E using BBot? Value is bot is by default in USD but afaik you can deposit many currencies with BTC-E... or is it something with their API?
I could of course buy USD but if I prefer to trady in EUR that is another fee...

Bendous


Hi Bendous Smiley,
   You can currently only trade in USD on BTC-E, we will see about expanding that for V3, but that is how it is as of right now.

Please let me know if you have any follow up questions Smiley.

Pablo.
556  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 21, 2013, 02:42:32 PM
Currently testing out the trial vs. my btc-e account with default settings. My question is, should I decide to purchase the full blown product near the end of the trial-period would I simply have the option of upgrading my existing trial key?

Hi Smiley,
  This is a good question, we've had some issues with this lately:

1. Yes, if you go into Butter-bot.com and purchase, say, a 3 month package that INCLUDES a bot, you can just enter your new key into your existing demo and you are all set. Then when you want to renew again you would purchase the much cheaper RENEWAL CODES, not the Bot Packages, and you could renew your time as you see fit.

2. The error we are seeing is people with the demo buying renewal codes which do not include a bot purchase and trying to make those work (they won't).

I hope this answers your question in full, please let me know if you have any follow up questions Smiley.

Pablo.
557  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 21, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
The Manual and the software really needs a bit of work from a safety point of view........

Just some points:

1. the engine should be installed  DISABLED I.E 'Disabled Trading Engine' as checked
2. There should be an initial setup where FIAT reserve & Bitcoin reserve are pre-set to the MAXIMUM holdings of the account.

That way , when one is working thru the manual page by page, the bot does not go insane once the API keys are inputted.

It would also be 'nice' if the page related to API keys has a great big warning, about setting  the reserves BEFORE the API keys are inputted....




RazorFish,
   I see your point. Basically you would like to have the bot on "pause" by default during initial setup. I think it's a valid suggestion, I will bring this up with the dev team.

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions, I am here to help Smiley.

Pablo.

I don't think it is as complex as changing software, rather REORDER the manual, so the  RESERVES are dealt with BEFORE the API, even if they are on the bottom of the panel and the API is on the top.

Because the first time the BOT powers up and even though the parameters were set for trades, it  went and sold off all the FIAT it could get its hands on, but from what I could see, the MARKET DID NOT meet the Threshold parameters  for buying coin..........



Hi,
  I see what you are saying about the manual and I'll make sure we work on that ASAP. The software solution is more complete though and I will see about pushing for that.

Please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.
558  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 20, 2013, 10:36:40 PM
These are my thoughts:

I realize this is an EMA bot. Simple rules, simple executions. As you can see in my pic above.....

IF you use 1 hour settings (and above) AND there is a flash crash within 30 minutes... (meaning, it goes from where it was to the new bottom (lets say a 25% drop in price)...the bot reacts to it after the next update by initiating a sell order. Correct?
First I'll admit how I got here:  I've all but finished up watching or being concerned with the hardware thread; there's little more to see there from here on out, IMO.  I searched to see if you had left the forums, since I hadn't seen you on the BFL threads, and found this.

This is actually very much closer to my core business than bitcoins, so I'll make a couple of points, regarding EMA's and their use as trading signals.

First, an EMA "period" is actually a product of two dimensions:  sampling frequency and normalized parameter.  Example is easiest.  Say you want to construct an EMA with a period of 6 hours.  You solve for the parameter as \alpha = 2/(6+1),
if you are sampling once per hour.  

But if you sample every minute, then a parameter of \alpha = 2/(6*60+1) will give you a function that is virtually the same as the first, but with the ability to "respond" to signals every minute rather than once an hour.

Second, regarding EMA "signals."  There are two basic triggers used:  simple crossings of the lines, and so-called "directional bindings."  In other words, rules are "trade when price crosses ema", OR "trade when slope of function changes."  Except for "noise," "significance of the binding", or "price confirmation offset", these two rules are identical.  

This is because, by its mathematical construction, an EMA changes slope whenever a current price contributing to the function falls (rises) below(above) the current value of the EMA.

Just some off-top-of-head comments.

Hi Loredo Smiley,
   We really enjoy having knowledgeable traders on the thread, I hope you stick around our community (no purchase necessary Smiley ).

Please let me know if you need anything at all, and WELCOME!

Pablo.

Just curious: What is you main profession, mathematics?
559  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 20, 2013, 10:33:59 PM
Hi, Pablo

I would like to view profit measurement of BTC, not of USD.

Hi Bruter Smiley,
  I think we may be able to work on something like that for a future release. Let me talk to the dev team, we have our hands full right now with hosting development and the outlines of V3, I'll see where we can sneak this in Smiley.

Pablo.
560  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: October 20, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
The Manual and the software really needs a bit of work from a safety point of view........

Just some points:

1. the engine should be installed  DISABLED I.E 'Disabled Trading Engine' as checked
2. There should be an initial setup where FIAT reserve & Bitcoin reserve are pre-set to the MAXIMUM holdings of the account.

That way , when one is working thru the manual page by page, the bot does not go insane once the API keys are inputted.

It would also be 'nice' if the page related to API keys has a great big warning, about setting  the reserves BEFORE the API keys are inputted....




RazorFish,
   I see your point. Basically you would like to have the bot on "pause" by default during initial setup. I think it's a valid suggestion, I will bring this up with the dev team.

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions, I am here to help Smiley.

Pablo.
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