Dear all, I am a graduate student at the London School of Economics and I am conducting a research on Bitcoin for my dissertation. Precisely, I am trying to identify why Bitcoiners accept and give value to BTC as a currency. I wouldn't say this study is related to pure economics, but to economic sociology. There are some theories that try to explain why money carries value. In the article below you can find a very interesting theory on the social convention of money. It was written by Hal Varian, a very renown economist whose major studies include network effects. http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/NYTimes/2004-01-15.htmlIf you have time to write, please share your thoughts here or send me an email. I would like to know some views on this topic and gather some short answers on these two questions: 1) What makes you accept and use Bitcoin? 2) Why do you give value to Bitcoin as a currency? Best wishes Andrea P.S. I am also a Bitcoin user and I will share my views later on to avoid an information cascade. To me, personaly, it has value because of: 1) Speed of International money transfer 2) Very low fees 3) Works every time, all the time (no saturday / sunday pause, no hollydays, nights, working hours...) 4) Not controlled by single entitiy (this is not as perfect as i'd like it to be but it's best we have for now) 5) Noone can take it away from me without of my knowlage / consent |
|
|
|
|
Kad sam spomenuo pozvi iz banke, nisam to mislio u smislu "e alo jesi ti platio porez na to" nego u smislu: "e alo, jel to legalan novac?".
Sto se poreza tice, sto nebi mogao provuci taj bitcoin kroz burzu i prikazati ga kao dobit od tamo? Mislim da je dmeter nesto spomenuo o tome prije xxx stranica. On ce znati malo vise vezano uz to...
|
|
|
|
|
Jedno je nešto znati, drugo je reagirati na to isto (ili u njihovom slucaju, mozda cak i pomagati). Ne kazem da porezna ima direktan uvid, al da informacija ne dodje do njih ako ti sjedne milja kuna na racun, a do sada nisi imao veci mjesecni promet od 10k kuna u oba smjera, to je cista bajka....
|
|
|
|
|
Gle, nema sanse da za milju kuna na tekucem ili kakvom god tamo racunu u banci negdje nije zasvjetlilo neko svjetlo i da netko nije bacio oko na to. Ako imas cesto velik promet na racunu, da nece duizat paniku za svaku, al jednostavno nema sanse da to netko negdje nije pogledao...
|
|
|
|
Transakcije veće od 100 000 kn su problem...
U komadu 100 000 je problem, ali rasporedito kroz godinu nije. Samo podijelite na komade po 9 000 i sve 5. LP Ali sad jel to može u 11 dana za redom ili samo po jednom mjesečno? To je sve u sklopu borbe protiv pranja novca / sive ekonomije / cega god vec. Nisam siguran gdje je tocno to propisano, ali banke to definitivno rade. To nije nikakva "nova" stvar ili nesto slicno....znam to jos od vremena online pokera. Dobitnici velikih Poker turnira su redovito zbog toga stavljali lovu na Skrill (tadasnji Moneybookers) i koristili lovu putem Skrill Mastercard kartice ili su vukli dio po dio u banku. |
|
|
|
Ako si sa Konana isplatim milion kuna na tekuci koliki ce mi biti dozvoljeni minus, te koje mehanizme AML-a ce takva uplata pokrenuti. Havla dragi Lastane.
Posto si dobio odgovor na prvo pitanje, evo i djelomicnog odgovora na drugo. Za svaku cifru vecu od xxx kuna nazove te pristojna teta ili stricek iz Banke i trazi da im pojasnis od kud ti je sjela lova... |
|
|
|
Rjetko se slozim sa dmeterom, al ovo sto vam kaze je istina  . Ako mozete, povlacite na tekuci (sto se bitkonana tice, nema ogranicenja, pa nema ni smisla povlaciti na ziro) upravo zbog poreza i manje vidljivosti. Sto se brzine transakcije tice, ja do sada nisam dozivio da je transakcija unutar hrvatske izmedju bilo kojih iole vecih banaka trajala duze od 24h unutar radnih dana. Vecinom cak, ako se uplati ranije popodne, bude vidljivo kasnije popodne isti dan, a ako se uplati nakon npr. 15h onda sutra ujutro. Al bitno je da su "danas" i "sutra" radni dani. |
|
|
|
Pozdrav svima!
Ima li ovdje netko tko se bavi posudbom bitcoina?
jesam ja,ali kredit ti je lombardni a to ti znači ako želiš da ti ja posudim 1 bitkoin kamata ti je 5% godišnje ali prije nego ti ja pošaljem bitkoin ti mi na tekuči platiš troškove obrade kredita u iznosu od 50$ i položiš na moj tekuči račun 700$ kao garanciju Jel tako rade u Lombardiji? Pa fino ti je covjek napisao, Lombardni.....naravno da se to tako radi u Lombardiji.....u nekim slucajevima kao zalog mozes dati i bubreg ili jetru ili tako nesto....zavece kredite pludno krilo.... |
|
|
|
@OP Putting all your egs in one basket is really NOT smart. Even tho i'm inlove with Bitcoin, i would never transfer my complete life savings into BTC. Part of it? Sure why not. All? That's just plain and simple gambling. It can probably be done in developed countries where u r secured by social securities. U'll get life's basic facilities free of cost.
Now, yes. In 10 years? A lot can change in 10 years. It's enough time to change one good standing country into piece of shit wanna be democracy where only thiefs live good lives. And you do plan to live longer i hope? As i said before....i'd never put 100% of my savings into BTC...no way... |
|
|
|
|
This is 2nd or 3rd doomsday thread today....wtf is with all the doomsday topics in this last few days? Should i unlock my private atomic shelter?
|
|
|
|
|
Pitaš tamo na njegovon topicu i cekas da ti netko tko vec sudjeluje u kapmanji odgovori kako je to bilo u njegovom slucaju, ili pricekas neko vrijeme da ti se vlasnik javi, jer , siguran sam da dobiva na desetke ako ne i stotine PM-ova dnevno....
|
|
|
|
Why don't we all invest in gold though? it's not as volatile and is always rising, always holds its value, has been around for thousands of years, has real value, can be used regardless of the internet/electricity situation and in crisis skyrockets in value. It is probably more rare than bitcoin, has been used as currency for millenia, no one can take your gold if you have a good safe, gold is tax free, I could go on for hours here!
no brainer?
It does change value, it does rise and it does fall. It's not as nearly as perfect as you described it, but in some tituations (like global blackout) it IS beter solution than BTC. Than again, BTC can bring you potentionaly MUCH larger gain than gold, so just as any other sane person diverse your wealth and you are good and will probably gain some as time passes with wery low risk (depends on how you spread it ofc). |
|
|
|
|
If "internet goes down" you will have much larger problems than Bitcoin...trust me...
So many very important financial and military stuff relies on Internet, that, if it ever goes down, you can expact shitstorm comming our way, that is so large, that you wont think of Bitcoin for quiet some time.
|
|
|
|
Apple is getting lamer after Steve job is gone. Innovation has left the building.
Innovation was never in the building. But there was theft of already produced ideas, products and designs, put into fancy boxes and nice colors....than again, when you look at world avarage and patent law, that IS classified as innovation so yeah...in this totaly upside down wierd world, Appl had innovation while Steve was alive...now they lost part of it for sure... |
|
|
|
|
I'm pretty much sure that Rothschild's are already trillionairs when you put in acount everything they directly and indirectly own. So, Satoshi, if he still has private keys can become second trillionari or something along those lines.
|
|
|
|
Prvi post pa posudba, odma u glavu šta mu je ono baš pravo zanimljivo u vezi bitcoina... iako suptilnije nego da je na kolodvoru i žica za kartu...
P.S. U propustio sam gore "SUDAR PODUZETNIKA". BTW ja sam TOP RATED buyer na ebuju.
Nisam ja nikakav poduzetnik. Prodajem BTC / privatne stvari (cca 20% transakcija), i kupujem hrpu stvari sto za sebe doma, tako i za firmu u kojoj radim. |
|
|
|
Apple is trendsetter....they know what you need, they know how you need it...so shut up and USE! If they say Bitcoin is out, it's out, if they say it's in it's in. |
|
|
|
What i would do i get myself a harpoon (only propeer way to shoot down and capture transport drone imho), and wait for em to get closer to ground. Bam! My drone! My loot! I can see it happe with Amazon drones too. |
|
|
|
Ahahah, zgodan tajming. Eto tu krenuli pricat malo o njima, a i nije proslo dugo sto sam odlucio odjebat ne samo PayPal, nego i Ebay, bar sto se prodaje tice, stize mail: Dear UMETNIEBAYIME,
Congratulations! You've achieved Top Rated seller status... Mrš đubrad! Power Seller sam, a sad i Top Rated seller, al i dalje mi to ne znaci frisku figu. I dalje kupac pokrene: "unauthoruzed transaction" i ja se mogu postaviti na trepavice i dalje cu izgubiti novce. On kao "kupac" nema nikakve obveze i sva prava, dok ja moram placati i za svoje i za njegove greske. Jer eto, ako je on izgubio jebenu karticu, to je moja krivica, JA moram platiti za tu njegovu gresku. Ako je on dao susjedu broj kreditne kartice, i dalje je to moja krivica....i tako dalje i tako blize....pravda, sloboda i demokracija na Americki nacin. |
|
|
|
2. strana nije ništa odgovorila u predviđenom roku...
A da su odgovorili: "Software je dostavljen" bez ijednog dokaza, popušio bi tu lovu kao da nikad nije bila tvoja. Dizao sam claimove, davao screenshotove, davao username-ove / passworde....prodavac je rekao da je "poslao na mail" i ajde bok.... Kako god...kao kupac, PayPal smatram jednako vjerodostojnim i sigurnim putem kupnje kao i BTC, dok je BTC svjetlosnim godinama daleko ispred PayPal-a kad sam u ulozi prodavaca. Novci su ODMAH moji, dok ih PayPal fino drzi i do 45 dana, prije nego dodju do mog racuna.....45 dana! Bog te nedo, pa tolko se ne ceka na lovu ni u ovoj banana drzavi (ok ok, znam da se ceka, al shvacate poantu....). Jesi probao Skrill (bivsi moneybookers), koristio sam ga masovno jedno vrijeme, dok je btc-e imao withdraw mogucnost preko njega. Uglavnom , fee je bio znatno manji nego kod paypala, novci su odmah tvoji (nema onog perioda cekanja kao na paypalu), a lagano i povuces na devizni racun kod nas. Bio je neki limit, ako se dobro sjecam,meni su stavili cca 25 000 kn u 3 mjeseca da mogu tako povuc, taj limit nisam prelazio i nisam nikad imao problema. Znaci govorim o prijenosu novca, ne o prodavanju proizvoda, iako vjerujem da ni sa tim nebi trebalo bot problema. Da. Koristio sam ga za online poker prije nego sto su poker mreze pocele primati BTC (odigram tu i tamo na niskim ulozima). Po meni je Skrill daleko bolji od PayPal-a (napisao sam to i prije par postova), i mislim da bi pojeo PayPal da ga Ebay nije maknuo kao mogucnost placanja (dok je bio Moneybookers se moglo na Ebay-u placati putem njega jednako kao i putem PayPal-a). |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
