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541  Economy / Speculation / Re: top in come back mid 2021 on: January 27, 2018, 05:47:42 PM
Fundamentals always trump all the technical analysis and predictive analysis like the halving+1year model that you are describing.

Lightning network is coming this year, it's already on the mainnet and it's going to be huge, this is enough to get bitcoin viable for day to day payments, as we hit the mainstream news we will get another all time high this year, which will make your model obsolete as we will not need to wait until 2021 for another all time high.
542  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin/Altcoin Tax reporting on: January 27, 2018, 05:22:38 PM
I live in North Florida. I am having trouble finding a Tax preparer/accountant that is proficient in the tax code for the trading of Bitcoin and Altcoins. Any suggestions?

Thanks

I don't know a single one. Im not convinced yet about cashing out a single satoshi. What if the accountants make a mess and you end up in trouble? because as far as I know, if the accountants make a mistake, you will be the responsible, not to them, I just don't trust accountants, don't even trust the taxmen to be frank, this is too new, there is nothing clear, I don't want to get my bitcoins counterfeited or stolen away from me in the process, it's not fair.

Where did you get the bitcoins from?

If you bought them in exchanges, you will need the receipts of each buy, all the trading history etc.

If you got paid in BTC for products or services, you will need to prove these are legal.

At least in some countries that's how it works.
543  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 26, 2018, 08:12:15 PM
Whether you like it or not, the government want you to pay taxes on your signature campaign earnings and airdrop tokens. With each passing day, they are eliminating loopholes which can be used by crypto-users to avoid taxes. Very soon, we will be required to give details of our crypto-holdings. If we hide our holdings, then they will proceed with tax evasion charges.

What is the deal with airdrops and tax? Presumably you have to move or trade them to be liable for tax.

I don't see how anyone can be liable for them unless they're provably utilising them somehow. And there are now so many I assume the vast majority won't ever touch them.

If I got some tax demand for a fork I hadn't redeemed I'd post them the old private keys and tell 'em to fucking sell it themselves. 

Yep it only gets even more ridiculous when you factor in the forks.

We have money that we don't even know that we own, because there are forks all the time, so if you have 10 BTC, you have also 10 BTC worth of whatever other new fork of the hour that someone did and you are supposed to report these too, and reporting your actual BTC is already a problem if like I said before you have some mixed inputs in a bitcoin mixer from years ago when you did some testing, and you have some missing trading history due dead exchanges... it becomes a nightmare that keeps growing as your transaction history is the same on another different forked blockchain which would need you to move all of your BTC into other BTC addresses before accessing the forked coins.. it gievs me an hadache to even begin to think about ordering all of my transactions, forks, altcoin tradings... it's hell really. Fuck, I just wanted to buy a god damn house in a couple of years, looks like im going to have problems with it. We'll see what I can do about it. Im ok with paying taxes, but im not ok with the government stealing half of my earnings because they decide there isn't enough proof that I obtained them posting in here, trading altcoins in Mintpal or selling drugs, it's not fair, I worked hard for all of my coins and I did it all legal, I want my house.
544  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Banks: needed? on: January 26, 2018, 07:42:57 PM
They are needed, like it or not. As you said, we need loans, we need creditors, and we need to be able to hire someone to hold custodian of our keys because we don't trust themselves (some people find it easier to pay someone to hold your bitcoins rather than having to trust yourself to remember passwords, for example I have lost access to some hard drives which I encrypted and now I can't access them because I forgot the password) so yes banks are needed. The question is, are they going to adapt, or are they going to try to endlessly try to crush bitcoin (which is impossible and a waste of time and resources).


I don't think so, banks aren't needed, for every example you've given it's only a preference, it's not a must.


we need loans, we need creditors, and we need to be able to hire someone to hold custodian of our keys because we don't trust themselves.

You can get loans from other people, you can get leans here on the forum. Well you not trusting yourself is kind of your own problem, you don't need to leave it for someone else to keep it for you but you'd like to.


No, crypto banks are not needed, because in some way you already have a crypto bank. There's nothing you can't do right now with crypto that a bank would be able to provide.



Im not saying I don't trust myself, I hold my private keys, but not everyone trusts themselves, therefore there is a need for "crypto banks", like it or not, otherwise why isn't Xapo filling for bankruptcy? get real, there is a market there, a huge one actually.

545  Economy / Speculation / Re: Momentum Proves Weak OR Rising to 14,000$ on: January 26, 2018, 07:28:03 PM
And here we go again. I don't know what the hell is going on but we just can't either break out or go below the $10,000 range. We saw a big dump from $11,641 to $10,261, this was an huge red candle, but it has jumped back to $11,000+ territory... I don't believe manipulation of this precision is possible, I think the market is just uncertain to go either way.

We should be see a capitulation of the ongoing triangular formation before January 29th, so Monday we should have a result, either a breakout or a dip to $7,500.
546  Economy / Speculation / Re: Momentum Proves Weak OR Rising to 14,000$ on: January 25, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
I don't know why there's still some people who believe in Japanese candle sticks or market predictions based off of it for that matter.  I mean it could interpret the paychology of the market and its players, but I don't think it's anything good for predicting on what would happen next...

The fact that other people care is proof of how technical analysis is relevant. If other people think that that analysis is a plausible outcome, the analysis is a potential self-fulfilling prophecy, and this is the basis for all technical analysis as far im concerned, in fact I cannot fathom any other reason as to why TA would predict anything.
547  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another double bottom is being formed? Will BTC move higher? on: January 25, 2018, 06:33:51 PM
Every time Bitcoin gets close to the sub $10,000 range I have a small heart attack, as it means we could be about to break major resistances all the way to the $7,000 area. It looks like a typical no-trade zone for me. As long as we don't go either way I wouldn't take any decisions.

Keep your cash and wait for a dip or for a breakout would be the classic move in this situation. Double bottoms in bitcoin are rare but they can happen, but still I would apply a no trade range for the $10,000-$14,000 area approximately.
548  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Banks: needed? on: January 25, 2018, 06:19:42 PM
Anyone knows if there already exists such an idea of Crypto bank?

Xapo is a crypto bank in a sense. They are custodians of thousands if not hundred of thousands of private keys which are held by them, and it's their responsibility to keep them safe. Apparently they have an underground cold storage bunker somewhere in switzerland, we have at least picture evidence and im sure there are videos so we can assume that it's all real, im not sure if they've been audited. I would know all of these details if I was choosing them to hold my money obviously, but the idea is that they are indeed a bank. You should also look with massive detail about how much of what you are holding will they cover in case of bankruptcy. Since they are a private company, it could be that you would lose everything in case they file for bankruptcy, so have that in mind.
549  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Banks: needed? on: January 24, 2018, 06:55:15 PM
They are needed, like it or not. As you said, we need loans, we need creditors, and we need to be able to hire someone to hold custodian of our keys because we don't trust themselves (some people find it easier to pay someone to hold your bitcoins rather than having to trust yourself to remember passwords, for example I have lost access to some hard drives which I encrypted and now I can't access them because I forgot the password) so yes banks are needed. The question is, are they going to adapt, or are they going to try to endlessly try to crush bitcoin (which is impossible and a waste of time and resources).
550  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC tested 10K Support. and got bounced . on: January 24, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
Charts showing resistance above $11k and no big support upto $8k so many are predicting atleast one dip to below $9k before a bounce back which might finally break those huge resistance around $12k.

I am bullish on bitcoin always but right now on day trading, I am bearish on every coin along with bitcoin.

Everyday we stay above $11,000 is another won battle, if we keep standing around that area is going to be great news as it would be shown that it cannot be shaken down to -$10,000.

So keep monitoring and look for these key prices, but if you can hold through it, because you never know if there will be an huge bull run out of nowhere, but we do know bitcoin always recovers.
551  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1 Bitcoin = $100. Best buy on: January 24, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
why?


He mentioned the law, so he means that if a big government like the US government would be to go on a press release and claim that Bitcoin is completely banned on all of the US, the price would collapse, and this would most likely happen, but not even in this scenario it would go as low as $100, precisely because there is a ton of people wanting to get at $1000.

And no, $10000 is not exaggerated, BTC is so cheap, $20000 is cheap, $100000 is cheap.
552  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 24, 2018, 05:42:18 PM
The burden of proof is on you (which is why I said "government treats you as a criminal by default"), and I doubt "it's from a dead exchange's gains" will cut it, even if it's the truth, which is why im worried about cashing out these coins, or coins which I mixed back in the day to text a mixer. Now there aren't clear traces about these coins.

So this thread has been ongoing for quite some time now. What have you learnt and what are you going to do? You seem to be locked into a particular spiral of doom and nothing anyone says is talking you out of it.

I have learned that I still haven't seen anyone cash out a relevant amount of signature earnings (let's say above $10000) at least in a place that's relevant to me, so I will remain skeptic and just hold it and see how I go about it in the future.

Im still worried about the mixed coins that I did mix to test a mixer out years ago (years ago 1 BTC was worth like $200) and so Im worried about cashing these out then not being able to explain where they came from and getting it counterfeited. Same goes for BTW that I withdrew from dead exchanges or lacking information of the trades in any way. Im not sure if I will ever be able to cash out any of these... so I may have to stick with signature earnings and other coins in which I can clearly trace the origin, otherwise it's extremely risky to cash them out because you don't know what the hell to expect.
553  Economy / Speculation / Re: The pathetic state of Bitcoin Core and why it will crash. on: January 23, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Oh man you guys are too hilarious and dense to not see there is a huge problem here.

Store of value? Are you kidding me? You still need decent liquidity which Bitcoin Core cannot provide.

Why would you or anyone else use a system that can't properly handle transactions as a store of value and not move to one which has the same scarcity and security (actually better since it doesn't have SW attack vectors), yet also provides for liquidity with cheap and fast transactions!

BCash has less security because the nodes are centralized, the miners are even more centralized than in Bitcoin, and the developers are really weak compared to the developers involved in Bitcoin.

If you are paranoid about segwit, do not use segwit address, but you will see how nothing wrong will ever happen with segwit. I find it funny how you are concerned about "segwit attack vectors" and don't see how BCash has worse attack vectors, such as spamming the network and cluttering the blockchain with trash to the point that it cannot be downloaded anymore (just like they did with Ethereum, try downloading it from scratch).
554  Economy / Speculation / Re: The target of bitcoin lays between 40k and 100k USD on: January 23, 2018, 07:18:40 PM
If the powers to be want it to be in this range, it will happen, if they want it to go down to 4-5k it will happen  Grin

The market is complete manipulation

It's not that easy. Bitcoin is a global market that never closes, opened 24/7, different forces with different agendas collide. A big government or banker group may want to crash it one side of the world, on the other side they may want to pump it... so there is no easy way to manipulate one way or another and it will be harder as we reach a several trillion market.
555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Where is the bottom for BTC? on: January 23, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
Has anyone seen the recent surge to $11500? I just look at Bistamp and we've gone up again, with a bottom of $9222 for this year which happened in January 17th. The last bottom was $9941.
 If we keep making higher bottoms, we could consolidate an uptrend at least in the short term, and this could be the beginning of the recovery for a new all time high, but we must get past the former $13,089 peak (by Bitstamp prices).
556  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 23, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Like I said, your claim is that cash transactions are essentially illegal and that blockchain transaction history is inadequate (even though Bitcoin and altcoins are obviously used to transfer immense value). You should stop using cryptocurrency if that's your position. I'd like to see the statutes in question because you keep making these claims.

If you think that everyone "in Europe" is being treated as a criminal for cashing out of Bitcoin, then you are delusional.


Please learn to read, I said anyone putting any amount of money in a bank without a clear way to prove this money was obtained legally is a criminal, and by default, a government will think you are a criminal unless you can prove the former. Notice how I have pointed at several cases of accounts being frozen when they see they came from exchanges, it's because you have to prove that this money is legit.

And yes, cash transactions (of any relevance) are illegal, increasingly in more and more places. And no, you cannot put $200,000 worth of cash in a bank and don't expect problems unless you can prove the origin is legit clearly, same goes for a bitcoin deposit and so on, pretending the opposite is true is actual delusion.

Fortunately for you, the fact that Mintpal and Cryptsy don't exist to refute your trading records actually works in your favor. There is functionally no difference between Mintpal trading records you fabricate today, and my real trading records from 4 years ago. But you continue to irrationally go on about "every satoshi movement inside exchanges" as if tax authorities could ever determine the truth.  

This may be the case in your country (which is pretty weird, because makes money laundering trivial), but at least here you can't pretend to get any amounts of money in bitcoin you want into your bank account claiming that they are from a dead exchange's gains. Otherwise someone could sell a couple millions worth of drugs on the darknet, mix them, cash them out into your bank account and claim they are from a dead exchange's gains.

The burden of proof is on you (which is why I said "government treats you as a criminal by default"), and I doubt "it's from a dead exchange's gains" will cut it, even if it's the truth, which is why im worried about cashing out these coins, or coins which I mixed back in the day to text a mixer. Now there aren't clear traces about these coins.
557  Economy / Speculation / Re: kodakcoin - new dawn or beginning of the end? on: January 22, 2018, 05:17:06 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/kodk

It's holding pretty decently so far... first peak on January 10th, correction, and now with a new monthly high to $11.34.

I wonder for how long can they keep hyping this to keep the price up. It will need to get past $17 in order for it to have an higher term bullish perspective, until then it's just a short pump and dump operation.
558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Correlation between bitcoin and Wall Street's 'Fear Index' is increasing on: January 22, 2018, 05:03:29 PM
The bond market is going to crash hard and all the boomers are going to hate themselves at not buying this cheap bitcoin.

Wall Street is irrelevant when it comes to bitcoin, futures markets don't matter, it's a waste of time, they don't move the underlying asset.
559  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How are you tracking your portfolio? on: January 22, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
I used to use cryptofolio.info but deleted my portfolio because I was getting tired of it, the layout is pretty simple and straightforward but I got bored and now im trying alternatives.

I really hate having to wait for people to vote a coin for it to get listed, I would like to get any coin I want tracked without having to wait for the votes. I need to track all bitcoin forks instantly and not wait for them to get listed for example.
560  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 22, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Bitcoins earned from signature campaigns and bounties count as ordinary income and they don't qualify for lower tax rates as capital gains. But then, the most important question is whether we should pay tax on those coins which are still in our wallet or not. Ideally, I would pay taxes only on those coins which I sold for fiat. But if Bitcoin is ordinary income, then we need to pay tax on all our coins, right?

Bitcoin is not an ordinary income because you're unable to directly cash it out from your wallet. If I could pay my taxes in Bitcoin I'd gladly do so directly, but if i'm forced to use an exchange to convert to fiat and pay fees along the way, no thank you. Nobody will make me pay taxes from tokens that are lying on some address without my name on it and that I can't spend on anything in my country but have to use an exchange first. Next thing they'll make us pay taxes for tokens earned in computer games just because theoretically we can exchange them to money on ebay.


Yeah, but it's pretty obvious that the state is not going to care about what you think about it. You are right that since we can't even pay taxes, it shouldn't be counted as income, shouldn't be any different from virtual tokens in Second Life or poker tokens, but apparently they don't care and you must pay taxes as income, so signature campaigns for instance a repeated activity in time which would qualify as income tax, since we have not declared anything for years, my fear is that once you do you will get a big fine.

If someone has cashed out years of signature earnings (which are now worth a lot due BTC going $10k+) then talk about your experience and say exactly what info they requested and where are you from, also WHEN did you cash out and how much, it's important because I believe back then they would have cared less about details.
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