You are the one that must prove the origin of the funds by default, not them. OP is from spain, so he would need to check how it works for his country, but i would say this is the case, that you must prove that the funds are from legal origin, otherwise (and even if they can't prove the origin is illegal) who knows what can happen with the fiat in your bank account.
 

Welll this is another story. Which is why im asking if someone reported signature campaign gains and what the veredict by the government was once the evidence was provided.

It is open for anyone to see that you got paid X amount in exchange of X service. You got X amount paid by doing the signature campaign task and that is demonstrable. Now, if yahoo, Lauda, atriz or whoever else was running the funds to pay people (which would be the most immediate link to your payment) is a "drug dealer" or something, it's not something I could know, but I understand what you are saying, if the government wants to screw you up, they can come up with some ways to do it.

I can only demonstrate that I got paid X amount for X activity (a legal one), and if they don't like that, then yes, I would be in trouble, and since I don't know what to expect, it's why I haven't sold anything and reported anything. I need someone else to do it first and see what happens. Im not going to be a guinea pig as mentioned before.

But (and once again) why should this be a problem, when:

1) The activity is perfectly legal (getting paid in bitcoins for posting in an internet forum is a legal activity as far as I know)
2) The funds can be proven to come from such legal activity (namely, by providing the required cryptographic proof that you own the addresses in which one got paid in)

Given 1 and 2 and after paying whatever taxes required, how it wouldn't be possible to have that money in your bank ready to buy some property with?

I refuse to think that we are criminals by posting in here and we can't never use that money to buy some real estate with in 10 years once 1 BTC is worth $1million. Are you going to simply sit your ass on several millions which you cannot use? pretty dumb. We need to get this sorted.

That is not the problem. It's obvious that if you are getting paid in bitcoins in here, the government isn't going to know unless you report it, I don't see them bothering asking theymos for IP records or something, and most people use proxies anyway, for safety reasons in here, since using your real IP in here isn't very bright due all the scammers trying to dox each other.

The real problem is, how the hell do you properly cash out your bitcoins if you want to buy a house with them? because there's no way you are going to avoid the government knowing if you want to buy a house with your signature campaign gains across the years. So far none has given a real answer to this.

The project must try to solve a problem which cannot be solved by Bitcoin or any of the other existing cryptocurrencies. If this is not the case, it is most likely a gimmick-scam of sorts. Even if it's not technically a scam, it may be most likely an unnecessary project.

Now this doesn't mean it cannot be lucrative. Confidence and marketing goes a long way. A well marketed product can bring huge profits, even if it's not really revolutionary or gamechanging, so if you are here for pure profit, research the project and the marketing team.

Me and also other people are waiting to get our remaining POSW out of cryptopia. The POSW/BTC trading pairs are still frozen in Livecoin... so they are frozen in there.

Anyone has the schedule? will there be further switches in Livecoin or it will be http://xsncoin.io where we will send our POSW to get XSN out of it? They need to sort this out, I think the price has dipped because of this process. In my book it's a good time to buy if you still didn't got any. Once this all gets solved this project will make great gains.

Then how are you supposed to prove that your signature campaign earnings are of legal origin? Because if you can't prove it, it would mean that you can never cash out, otherwise you risk that they put you in jail, worst case scenario, which is insane since one earned the money legally.

And how it isn't proof? You have all the forum posts pointing at the origin of the transaction being from the signature campaigns.

Has anyone cashed out money from signature campaigns? (enough for it to be relevant for the authorities)

Forget the death cross FUD, we are doing fine so far, as long as we stay above $8000 we are good. Ideally you want to see $8500 as the new flat zone. The price could sustain a $8500 flat zone until june 26th ish, which is where it could hit the resistance line that comes from as far as $1800, if that is broken then we would go lower, it would be pretty bad, but we have many reasons to keep going higher until then. I think we are going to rebound against the resistance line on that date if we stay flat, coinciding with some good news, and FOMO will kick in. With floor being $8500, I see $30,000 pretty easily before 2019.

Of course, if you are fiat, then wait it out.

I doubt the funds will ever sent back in bitcoin. They will sell first, then pay them in whatever fiat currencies where the person is residing at. In all previous cases, the coins were never sent back, they were sold first.

Can you mention a previous case in which the people involved got paid in BTC? I don't think this ever happened.

I think it's possible that the SUM of all cryptocurrencies (what they call the cryptoeconomy marketcap) will touch $1 trillion this year. I believe in a big bull market that will happen somewhere during summer or during christmas, and while this will not bring bitcoin alone to $1 trillion, as it always happens during bitcoin bull markets, all sort of scams (including Ethereum) also pump big time, so the sum of all altcoins will break the $1 trillion marketcap for the first time, then somewhere next year we'll break $1 trillion with bitcoin alone.

If you believe in resistance lines, we should be seeing a capitulation of the ongoing flat price of around $8500 (yes, I know it's not flat, but flat in terms of bitcoin, it's been stable for the past few days).

Looks like the deadline is April, if we stay flat until then and we don't rebound we'll crash. If we stay on that line we'll be ok.

Of course, remember that this is bitcoin and anything is possible. A lot of people have been rekt in the past by opening shorts once lines like those are broken, then out of nowhere some news liquidate all of these positions.

Yeah I've been monitoring that line, it's a pretty nice one with many coincidences, so there is still hope that we are not in a bear market, but if we aren't able to stay above it, do you believe that $5700 double bottom will hold? some people say double bottoms are too rare in bitcoin, so who knows, maybe we go below $5700. This is good news for anyone wanting to accumulate more BTC long term in any case, but I would rather not see it happen, or maybe I do.. im not sure. I want more BTC than I want more USD so it could be good news.

That's always been the plan. I have been monitoring the biggest addresses in bitcoinrichlist and all of these addresses have either increased their BTC count or have kept what they have, so they are accumulating.


Of course, a lot of whales keep their coins spread across many other addresses, but usually whales have at least one address with a ton of coins so you can guesstimate around that. For example Loaded a bitcointalk user, has 40,000 BTC on a single address.

Oh wow, interesting metrics with these Bitcoin forks. It shows the best move was to dump them, now you are only getting peanuts for it. I would like to see a list of all Bitcoin forks and how much they have lost in % value against USD and against BTC.

As far as calling bottoms goes, it could go both ways. Some people are talking about "death cross" from a technical perspective, but as we all know, it only takes one set of positive news to destroy the technical analysis of anyone. And also in general, Bitcoin does not work when you apply technical analysis as we have seen in the past, the fundamentals are what matters, and the fundamentals point to more helicopter money on fiat currencies deprecating them, which in turn makes BTC more valuable.

I think it rhymes with A, as in, we may stagnate for a while, we may get a ton of headlines of "Bitcoin is dead", just like the last bubble burst cycles. Once the price bottoms, the smartest of the money will be buying pretty much daily, stacking up on cheap coins. Anyone that's smart did that, specially through the E period which was clear that Bitcoin was never going to die, since it survived MtGox, and it can't get any worse than that ever again.

Sooner or later, FOMO will kick in again and the times of 4 figures a coin will be over forever. Then people will reminisce about the good ol times of sub5figures per BTC, wishing they bought back in.

I think charts can be missleading at any rate. Tone Vays for instance, once again failed with his prediction. He said that his technical analysis pointed to a big fall if $7500 was lost, and we dipped to $7200, then he was expecting the price to go lower, only to wake up with a monster pump to $8000+ territory, now we've hit almost $10000.

He said he didn't expect the g20 news to be relevant... this shows you can't be guided by TA alone. Any news, even the ones that may not seen relevant to you, can destroy your TA planning.

Charts for me are good to draw resistance lines but fundamentals will always crush any TA. I also look at long term charts to try to guess if we are in bubble mode or in desperation mode (time to buy a ton of BTC), but that can be missleading too. A lot of people saw a bubble at $4000 and missed the FOMO to $20000.

This is one of the main reasons Bitcoin is unique and unrepeatable: When satoshi was mining, Bitcoin was worthless. "Cryptocurrency" didn't even exist, it was not a phenomenon it is today.
You were literally losing money by mining, since you were wasting electricity in something that had 0 value.

Someone had to get the job done, and satoshi was the creator so he was obviously the first guy to start mining to get the network working, but he released the project into the wild, open source for everyone to mine. If someone didn't pay attention is that they didn't care enough about the subject, they weren't interested.

The fact that it was mostly crypto punks and people interested in technology like Hal Finney was a possitive thing. You want the biggest amounts of coins in the hands of people with an interested in the field, not with an interest in getting rich quick, like all the scammers that came after that.

You can never a cryptocurrency again with an organic development, unless you have a time machine to release it before Bitcoin. This is another reason why Bitcoin is the coin that will always win above the rest.

Anything with "delegated" on it is a scam detector in crypto. Things should be automated and elegant. PoW is simple, brutal competition, keeps the chain safe. Of course, the problem of too much hashrate in the hand of few is there, which is why we need more competition. We need someone to kick Jihan Wu's ass. He is obviously the monopoly now, im sure all of these pools are his machines working under different names, which is a problem.

If you want to do something about that, the only idea i've seen that I like is the random algorithm switch, so at random times different algos would be used, shuffling around the advantage between different parties. It remains to be seen how that would work in practice.

Unfortunately, there are no better alternatives yet, only scams.

We are lucky to have recovered in the last recent hours because that is exactly what we needed. If we closed below that support line it was over, at least from a technical perspective. Looks like we managed to go back even if the crossed the support line with a wick, which means volume was not strong enough to cause a disaster.

What triggered that recovery it's not clear to me. For me it's always a mix of TA + FA, we were near a resistance point and then we got some positive news my mainstream fakenews media which apparently people are easily triggered by.

Option 1: Yes, he did sell the coins at these givens dates, which means, he is lying, and he did indeed sell:



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-07/bitcoins-tokyo-whale-sells-400m-bitcoin-bitcoin-cash

Optcion 2: No, he did not sell on these days, only moved the coins, which triggered panic sellers into believing these coins were getting dumped:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/breaking-trustee-of-infamous-mt-gox-denies-btc-bch-sales-affected-crypto-markets

The official statement in MtGox website:

https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20180317_qa.pdf

Due the polarizing opinions on this subject, I would a poll on it. In September we should have some clarifying news so the poll will remain open until around next December.

Did you send him a PM with a signed bitcoin address posted by your old account in an unedited post or a locked thread? most other options will not cut it.

Also have in mind, the process of recovering is insanely slow in here, even after providing all needed evidence that it's your account. You may need to wait months for it...