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801  Economy / Economics / Re: The panic seller irony on: September 10, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
Amen Brother.
Stop worrying about what the other guy is doing and answer your own questions. There is no expert out there who knows the future.
neurotypical, your example is a good illustration of why you shouldn't follow the crowd. I'm guessing your co-workers are not stupid. They may be great at what they do. However, when people are afraid and trying to make decisions without knowledge, they look to the group and copy that behavior.  Which means buying near the top in a market frenzy and selling near the bottom in a panic. Exactly the opposite of what you want.

The main 2 problems are the fact that people indeed come without any knowledge of why bitcoin matters in the long term, and why this price noise means nothing. If they really knew about bitcoin and had that "aha moment", then they would develop a strenght to hold during price corrections or even legit crashes as we saw in 2013. I was there in 2013, watching it crash, and I didn't care, I knew in the long term I would be ok because I knew the vision of decentralized money was intact with or without MtGox.


The second problem is newbies look at the linear chart instead of the logarithmic chart, this is insane because the linear chart has been looking like a bubble since $2000. Nobody uses the linear chart anymore to chart bitcoin, all big hands are using log charts, and judging by log chart we are not overbought by any means.
802  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH HARD FORK, any tought? on: September 10, 2017, 01:36:03 PM
I've been hearing this for the past few days and I still haven't seen any news of hardforks in here whatsoever:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/

The price is also not caring about any of that. I think nothing has happened.

This is all that i've found:

http://www.bitguru.co.uk/news/metropolis-ethereum-upgrade-what-is-it-and-when-can-you-expect-to-see-it

So I don't see any date on this happening. Why is people talking about ETH hardfork if nothing happened yet?
803  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to 7000 HOT SEPTEMBER on: September 10, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
This double bottom is looking good so far. First bottom was $4001, second bottom has been $4010, now we just need to keep climbing and break $4685, then we are on track to $5000 easy.

Looks like more weak hands will continue to keep getting shaken during the weekend. These whales never rest when it comes to stealing BTC from the newbies.
804  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 215: Johnson vs Borg Info and Prediction Thread on: September 09, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
This is my bet.

 Demetrious Johnson (26-2-1) vs.  Ray Borg (11-2) (Flyweight Championship) --> K.O round 2 for Borg
 Amanda Nunes (14-4) vs.  Valentina Shevchenko (14-2) (Women's Bantamweight Championship)
I think Nuņez will win this fight. Nuņez is like a man. A knockout artist. So i will go for Nuņez for 1st round knock out
 Neil Magny (19-5) vs.  Rafael dos Anjos (26-9) (Welterweight)---> For Dos Anjos (unanimous)
 Ilir Latifi (12-5) vs.  Tyson Pedro (6-0) (Light Heavyweight)--> Pedro (unanimous)
 Jeremy Stephens (25-14) vs.  Gilbert Melendez (22-6) (Featherweight)-----> Melendez 2nd round

The main event will be a good fight. Johnson "the mighty mouse" is reigning for a long time. He should give way for the others.

Borg out


Going to have to get a prop bet on over under fights canceled.



Ouch!

Yeah their fight has been cancelled. As a result, the Amanda Nunes vs. Valentina Shevchenko will now headline UFC 215. I think this is the second time that Borg has cancelled the fight because of 'health' issues but I think that there might be underlying causes that's why the fight has been cancelled. Too bad I don't think that he will have a chance again to fight for the belt. He will be lucky if UFC will decide to just re-scheduled this fight again sometime. Its kinda suck for Demetrious Johnson as well, after preparing for this fight and just be cancelled just a few days. I hope that Amanda Nunes vs. Valentina Shevchenko will live up to its expectations though and not be a snoozer fight.


Dana White must be so angry at the current events. Borg being out and then ruining the main card is an issue already, but he has been forced to go against his own words and put Amanda Nunes on the main card. He said Amanda Nunes would never be in a main card again, and now here we are.

The UFC is being a disaster. I can't no longer count how many main cards have been ruined so far. Jon Bones Jones vs DC has been ruined a million times, Tony Fergusson vs Khabib, Amanda vs Valentina was cancelled too, Bisping GSP was cancelled too.. it never ends.
805  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to 7000 HOT SEPTEMBER on: September 09, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
Here is some vizualization



Here is more vizualization:

http://image.ibb.co/jX5b9F/bitcoin_log.png

Looking at the algorithmic chart, we are prone for a real bubble (not what we've seen thus far) that would kick us somewhere around $10,000-$15,000. That would be 2013 levels of bullish pressure, and that is perfectly possible this year-early 2018 if we avoid the segwit2x nonsense.

Unfortunately, if the idiots involved in segwit2x continue with their plan, the market will crash and we will have 3 different bitcoins and a lot of confusion, and it will take a while until Segwit2xCoin dies out and becomes irrelevant along with Bitcoin Trash, we will go months or even a year behind of where we could be if there was no segwit2x drama long the way.

Let's hope for the best, and the best would be, no segwit2x, peak of $15,000+, new floor in $10,000 and we never see 4 figures ever again.
806  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lost around 5BTC in 2013... Time to start again on: September 09, 2017, 12:58:45 PM
So back in 2012 / 2013 I was quite involved with the Crypto scene, and invested in a mining rig (good old days!) After around a year or so, I managed to mine LTC, trade BTC etc and had somewhere in the region of 5BTC. As the prices all started to plummet, I turned the rig to a desktop computer and stupidly left all of my coins in Cryptsy. Easily done for someone who understood the basic fundamentals of the Crypto world, but not all of the security to go with it.

I managed to recover about 0.2BTC from old wallets etc, and although kicking myself that I could have a life changing amount of money, I've come to a conclusion that I just need to build a bridge and start again!

My question to you all is have you ever experienced anything like this? How did you find the motivation to start again? And what do you think are the best ways nowadays (as i'm 4 years out of touch) at getting back to that milestone of 1BTC in my wallet?

Thanks,
I lost money too in Cryptsy, about 0.28 BTC... that was the first and only lesson I needed to never, ever let money again in exchanges unless it was strictly necessary to trade.

I also lost about 1.4 BTC that I could have made from Auroracoin because I didn't sell, I got too greedy. It was all mined, and I saw myself breaking the 1 BTC goal (that was my initial goal at the time). I was so happy to finally hit 1 BTC, but I didn't sell the damn altcoin, and I woke up with Auroracoin crashing and no longer having 1+ BTC. I finally sold my AUR for a couple bucks. This was to lesson to learn to not get too greedy with altcoin trading and get my BTC profits before its too late.

You must keep going, there is no stopping in the hustle for BTC. I would get a job and buy some each month at whatever price. I would try to get on a sig campaign to get a small extra at the end of the month, but unless you are Hero-Legendary you aren't going to get much more than a couple extra bucks, but every satoshi counts and you will learn along the way as you become Hero-Legendary.
807  Economy / Speculation / Re: China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 09, 2017, 12:22:40 PM
it works in a chain reaction type of event. Panic sellers think "omg, look at these news rewarding whatever regulation or ban regarding bitcoin or any other crypto, I must sell bitcoin right now because the rest of the people will too!!"

There are big amounts of people that think the next guy will sell too. Until all of these market participants aren't cleared out (and again, this may take up to 48 hours due it being a global market) the price doesn't start fully recovering, but once everyone that had to sell sells, bull pressure resumes and the price keeps going up.
The crypto currency market reacts to every single news and when the dust is settled the priced will pop back up,but this time around i am not sure about how the alt coin market could bounce back like in the past but bitcoin will always bounce back and keep on moving,but the time it takes is the biggest question,with all the price hike this year i do think we will have a bear market for some time before bouncing back.

Altcoins will recover too, specially when China has said that the ban is temporary, and not final on all these ICOs. So the ICO bubble will continue. Still plenty of chances to pick the right ICO and get very rich, which is the reason why the coins will recover, people is greedy for easy BTC (because make no mistake, all these gains will be sold for BTC sooner or later, BTC is king, sure some may sell some BTC for fiat, but long term storage in BTC is becoming a cultural thing specially among the millennial that have understood the importance of BTC and see it as a safe bet to get rich long term, unlike trying to win the altcoin lottery)
808  Economy / Speculation / Re: China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 08, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Not really giving a single fuck about what China does into their own regulations. Haven't really bothered when the price kept on dropping to $4300 and just went on to try and buy some coins on our local exchange. Idk why most of the people still sell their coins when prices are dropping, when the charts tell us historically that bitcoin keeps on going up no matter how hard the crash can be.

it works in a chain reaction type of event. Panic sellers think "omg, look at these news rewarding whatever regulation or ban regarding bitcoin or any other crypto, I must sell bitcoin right now because the rest of the people will too!!"

There are big amounts of people that think the next guy will sell too. Until all of these market participants aren't cleared out (and again, this may take up to 48 hours due it being a global market) the price doesn't start fully recovering, but once everyone that had to sell sells, bull pressure resumes and the price keeps going up.
809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: NEO Crashing down to pennies on: September 08, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
China did it again. The Manipulation is insane when it comes to making money.

http://boxmining.com/china-ico-ban-temporary-will-introduce-licensing-soon/

NEO is not an ICO and has been endorsed by the Chinese gov't.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Look at all the scams trying to be released on ETH, I am not for government interference but I don't think this will have much of a negative affect.

You really can't expect to invest in something from China and not have their heavy hand involved

China obviously shorted the market with these news, using insider information. They scared everyone in dumping their coins, then they come back and say "woops, this is only temporary or under a certain criteria that the ICO would need to be approved" and what not, then they stop their shorts and watch the market pump back.

These guys can go fuck themselves for all I know. Im tired of all the shitcoins that have no actual real life application. I hope everyone made a lot of money from it anyway, but im pissed at the noobs that sold their BTC in the midst of the storm. But oh well, at the end of the day only the smart will hold the most BTC. I hope a lesson is learned and noobs learn to not panic sell their BTC next time.
810  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: GGG vs Canelo betting thread on: September 08, 2017, 11:52:06 AM
Ok, I'm reading several news lately about this coming fight. I think this is more exciting than the Mayweather-McGregor fights. Two warriors going at each other. I think no one has been knockout between the two. But I believed that one will go down or this fight will end in a likely KO. I think Canelo's upper cut will be used against Golovkin at he is always wants  to go inside. Even the coach of GGG has been saying that they respect Canelo's power. What I don't like about Canelo though is he starts very slow. Will take several rounds before he started to heat up. If GGG won't give him a chance then its game over for him. I'm leaning towards Canelo here because he is younger and he has tremendous power as well.

It will be a better boxing fight, no doubt about that, but will it be as exciting? we will see, im not sure about it being more exciting. I think Mayweather-McGregor was extremely exciting because of the massive buildup, and because of the novelty factor of an MMA guy taking on a boxing guy in the biggest payday of all times.

This is a very exciting fight for boxing fans, but it's not an huge event.

I would like to see another MMA vs boxing fight with a Maliggnaggi vs McGregor event maybe next year. One MMA vs boxing event a year would be cool to have.
811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do you think OmiseGO? on: September 08, 2017, 10:39:55 AM

Guys, I am newbie and want buy some OmiseGO, how do you think its prospect ?

Here is the url about it :
https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/omisego/
https://www.omise.co/go


I still haven't checked what the hell this one is, but i've seen some serious brands making so called "deals" (whatever these deals are) with OmiseGO. So for example I've heard McDonalds is involved. Im sure all these deals is what driving all that hype and hence price up. I doubt the technology does anywhere revolutionary to justify these prices, it must be more brand hype, just like ETH, NEOS, STRAT and all these smart contract platforms getting big brands on board causing pumps (and dumps).
812  Economy / Speculation / Re: China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 07, 2017, 03:54:29 PM
China, once again, has pulled a controlled short and made a lot of BTC from unwary panic sellers whose, for some reason, decided selling BTC because some shitcoin's ICO got banned was a good idea.

Why did so many idiots sell their cheap BTC? Who knows, but what do we know is, this has been another profitable move by China whose is building stacks of BTC from all the newbies and weak hands that just don't know how to hold.



Well YOU may think they are idiots, but each investor makes decisions based on their own circumstances and some would have thought it was a great time to crystallise a profit. No-one ever got poor by taking profits.

Obviously this annoyed hodlers, but each person has got to do what is right for them

Indeed... no one ever got poor from taking profits, but no one ever got rich by falling victim of panic selling, let alone by selling at a loss.

You need to take risks if you want to make it. If you believe in Bitcoin, why would one dump because China says they are banning ICOs? I mean let's think and not fall for the FUD. It was clear these fundamentals wouldn't have a negative impact on Bitcoin for long. It was a temporal thing and once the 48-hour period allowed for the global market to absorb the news, the price would recover (given that none other FUD-ish news happened).
813  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC FN 115: Volkov vs Struve Info and Prediction Thread on: September 07, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
Struve may not be the same person after being KO'ed by Mark Hunt or having that life threatening heart surgery. That has to suck considering Struve TKO'ed Stipe Miocic years back and looked to be a future contender at one time in his career. Alexander Volkov looks to be training harder and preparing better in the UFC than he did when he fought in bellator. Its not like Struve is losing against unskilled low tier fighters, Volkov deserves credit for stepping his game up big time.

I think the Superman punch that Travis Browne hit on Struve may have been the beginning and Mark Hunt KO'ed put an exclamation point on Struve career. Although he is riding a 2 or 3 fight winning streak the scar that left on him on those 2 fights really surface on the fight with Volkov as I have mentioned that he is gassing out again.

There's a lot of things in Jon Jones latest USADA positive that don't add up. Jones could be innocent. Using steroids 3 weeks before a fight doesn't make sense. The last time Jones tested positive for clomiphene there were only trace amounts in his sample that wouldn't have an effect on his fight or be enough to serve as a masking agent. The quantity of steroids in Jones sample will be one key issue once more info on the situation is released.

I haven't check the latest on Jones latest USADA situation. Thanks for the heads up though. Usually clomid is used when you have completed your cycle if I'm not mistaken but why he would do that if its only 3 weeks prior to the fight?

It could be that for some reason these traces didn't get metabolized and where still there. The situation is definitely strange, but what was found was really found for whatever reason, irrelevantly of the timming.

Why would you take clomid if it's not because of steroid usage? it's obvious he used something. He's a lanky 6'4'' guy, he put so many lbs of muscle mass and I dont believe in miracles.
814  Economy / Speculation / Re: China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 07, 2017, 01:31:53 PM
China, once again, has pulled a controlled short and made a lot of BTC from unwary panic sellers whose, for some reason, decided selling BTC because some shitcoin's ICO got banned was a good idea.

Why did so many idiots sell their cheap BTC? Who knows, but what do we know is, this has been another profitable move by China whose is building stacks of BTC from all the newbies and weak hands that just don't know how to hold.

Remember this?



The ICO ban is just the same bullshit all over again, so don't fall for their tactics or you will lose your tickets to the moon.

I'm taking the fact that you're a longtime member into consideration here.

I wouldn't be surprised if people who sold bitcoin just recently we're introduced to it and then bought it very quickly. People with large amounts and those who bought it recently we're probably freaked out by the couple hundred drop in the pricing and sold to cut losses. You have a different experience in this probably because you're a longtime member and have had Bitcoin in your possession since the early stages. The same can't be said for everyone who's in bitcoin now.

I have seen this shit play out again, again, and again since I started years ago. It's always the same damn thing. Look at the price now, we are past $4600, exactly at $4667 right now at Bitstamp prices. Let's see how it crushes the last $4700 peak which is the closest one to cross now. Once we get past that, we will flirt with the last ATH resistance for a while, then we will be sitting at $5000, in no time.

Actually what's funny is, China has said now that they aren't going to ban ICO's, they will just issue licenses to launch ICO's. And the price was recovering before they said that so a ban of ICOs was priced in (for these that thing ICOs are relevant to Bitcoin which they arent)
815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: China Trolled US! on: September 07, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
http://boxmining.com/china-ico-ban-temporary-will-introduce-licensing-soon/

China ICO ban is temporary, will introduce licensing soon hints Chinese Official

NEO TO THE MOON!


China once again trolling the markets and shorting it with inside trader information, just like the PBOC announcements trolled everyone back then and scared panic sellers away from their hard earned BTC.

Remember this lesson: Do not fall for government ban FUD of any kind, and do not fall for big blocker hardfork FUD too, or else you will keep getting scared away of your BTC, only to see the price go higher eventually.
816  Economy / Speculation / Re: China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 06, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
it has never been China! it was the news of China.

it has always been the market makers in bitcoin who manipulate the market to their own advantage. the news is just the icing on the cake which makes it easier. others also know this pattern and join in. for example when you hear a bullshit news like that and you know panic is about to break out, you dump as fast as possible because "cheap coins are on the way" and make a huge profit from idiots.
again this has nothing to do with China.

the chart you marked is mostly falls in the period where Chinese didn't even have access to any exchanges! their own exchanges such as OkCoin, Huobi,... were closed down for months and they could not trade on foreign exchanges.
again proving that swings has nothing to do with Chinese, but idiots who think it is Chinese so they fear when others are silently taking their money and blaming Chinese!

The chinese didn't need to have access to said markets. Bitcoin is exposed to the entire world, what im saying is, the panic selling gets triggered by news that come from China, im not saying it's the chinese dumping.

What I don't doubt is, the government and people with insider information foresee these press releases of "PBOC to regulate exchanges", "China banning ICOs"... and so on, so they can set shorts before the news are released and then profit from the dump. This is insider trading and this has been happening since the beginning of the first market to ever get established. It's obvious that Bitcoin's market is not going to be immune to that.
817  Economy / Speculation / China does it again (shorters on suicide watch) on: September 06, 2017, 03:59:52 PM
China, once again, has pulled a controlled short and made a lot of BTC from unwary panic sellers whose, for some reason, decided selling BTC because some shitcoin's ICO got banned was a good idea.

Why did so many idiots sell their cheap BTC? Who knows, but what do we know is, this has been another profitable move by China whose is building stacks of BTC from all the newbies and weak hands that just don't know how to hold.

Remember this?



The ICO ban is just the same bullshit all over again, so don't fall for their tactics or you will lose your tickets to the moon.
818  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: September 06, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
Am I the one and only guy thinks that Max's aggresive ride is nice for the eye but deadly for his F1 car?

Yeah and congratulations for Lewis, imo he will be a monster till the end of the F1 2017 season.

We need people like Max to make the races more exciting. Sometimes, some tracks get really boring and it just comes to the pilot fighting himself, not doing any mistakes, and keeping it really low on the risk taking.

Drivers like Max or former driver Montoya were always taking risks and believed in impossible things. Sometimes they can do it and the people will remember them. A lot of people still has Montoya as their favorite pilot.
819  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bribring and treats against NYC defectors on: September 06, 2017, 11:29:04 AM
As follow up from the all time highs comming from f2pool dropping off the NYC agreement:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2139187.0

Now that f2pool is out, Bitmain is going full mafia on Wang Chun bribing him to get him back into the agreement:

https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/905051845596471296

Quote
B2X update: @JiangZhuoer threatens to undercut @f2pool_wangchun to get miners to leave F2Pool & join his, if he doesn't rejoin B2X #Bitcoin

A nice way to run a cartel indeed.

Lets hope more and more miners and service providers from the segwit2x mess, so we can avoid a crash now that we are recovering after the Chinese ICO ban bullshit.
820  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does China have a large part in the world of cryptocurrency? on: September 05, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
A few days ago China just announced that their government banned all ICO activities, and instantly the bitcoin price went down. how do you think about this?

China is an obvious main player in crypto, with Bitmain having a basically mining monopoly and a ton of other miners ending up on China due the cheap electricity and cheap labour essentially.

This is nothing but more FUD and more insider trading. Look at the PBOC incidents last summer. They were able to dump the market, and the market recovered and we went to an ATH. This is the same all once again. Weak hands will get shaken, strong hands will hold, insider traders will get a ton of BTC from the panic sellers. The same cycle always repeats on all markets.
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