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541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC reach $300 this month? on: October 19, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
I do remember it being $295 during the early summer but then tumbled. It just can't break that $300 mark that everybody is wanting.

On Bitfinex and Bitstamp it broke through 300, but fell under again pretty quickly. Breaking through resistance at 300 seems easy enough, it's finding support at 300 afterwards that seems to be the problem (fortunately we also seem to have the same "problem" at around 200, but in reverse).
542  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Btc lending site on: October 19, 2015, 01:41:18 PM
I'm looking for a site which is similar to btcjam but with less interest and longer payback time.

There is Bitfinex as far as I know and Loanbase (AKA BitcoinLendingClub) , however it doesn't matter what platform you are used , you will most likely get scammed (maybe not the first time or the second , but eventually you will ... ) lenders aren't really protected and companies won't give you your BTC back so if you want to be sure then just lend or borrow BTC on Bitcointalk since there is collateral available .

Bitfinex wouldn't work here, because the loans are internal to the exchange - they're loans to traders wanting to "short" BTC (i.e. sell BTC for dollars or LTC, in expectation that BTC will fall and they'll be able to buy BTC later at a lower price to repay the loan). From a lending perspective, though, I'm becoming more and more surprised that lenders rate BTCJam but won't seem to go near Bitfinex - Bitfinex absorbs the counterparty risk, so it's (IMO) much safer than BTCJam etc where the lender risks the borrower defaulting. (Obviously there's still exchange risk - the risk that Bitfinex becomes MtGox 2.0).

(Disclaimer: I'm not currently lending - on Bitfinex or elsewhere - but I've made loans on Bitfinex in the past. Also right here on BCT, but that's going back several years).
543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC reach $300 this month? on: October 19, 2015, 01:10:14 PM
No, we go to 240$ before the next raise

That's certainly possible, but what makes you so certain?
544  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] [HIGHEST PAY] COINUT.COM ★ Signature Campaign ★ Pay per post ★ Weekly ★ on: October 19, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Is still possible to enroll in this campaign?

Looks like it is! 20 spots still available for full members (senior and hero members slots are all filled).
545  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Guys plz be more careful with the fraud BENJIG on: October 19, 2015, 08:22:56 AM
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Uh, wrong location? Shouldn't this be in Spam Accusations, and not Speculation?
546  Economy / Speculation / Re: It is Buy time! on: October 18, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
when sub 100$? Any manipulators here or only believers?

Since late January BTC/USD has been range-bound between ~200 and ~300 - BTC has found pretty solid support at $200. Any time it's been below $200 has been brief, and its returned above 200 pretty quickly. In order for sub $100 prices, I believe we'd need to see the support at $200 broken, and become resistance. Until that happens it's pretty speculative trying to predict when (or even if) sub $100 will occur (and ditto for prices above $300).
547  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gemini failed, they said. Bitcon will not go up, they said. GOAL: 500$ on: October 18, 2015, 12:05:31 PM
gemini helps bitcoin enter Wall Street.

i don't want this.

OK, not sure I agree, but what realistically can prevent it? How would the Bitcoin network prevent big finance from purchasing BTC?
548  Economy / Economics / Re: bitcoin investing on: October 18, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
instead of investing try lending money to other users , its way higher interest rate and youll make way more money.

Too risky, even BTCJam are experiencing defaulted loans. They can't do anything about it, though. Better hold than to invest bitcoins, it seems. Your investment would likely go 0 if you don't think before putting money on to something.

Last time I looked at BTCJam (about a month back) their rates were on a par with typical rates for lending at Bitfinex - and at 'finex the exchange absorbs the risk of default. (Disclaimer: rates are generally pretty low, when I was lending at 'finex it was only when rates spiked - and obviously there's always the risk that the exchange itself defaults, i.e. does a Gox).
549  Economy / Economics / Re: bitcoin investing on: October 18, 2015, 10:16:21 AM

I have already explained at least 10 times.
No risk because you get back your investisment.
Your investment is not placed on risky places,but on my wallet.

...

You still claiming there's no risk for us "investing" our BTC by giving them to you? I find that surprising. Once was understandable, but doing it again after you've been called out on it strikes me as very scammy.

Here you can invest without risk:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171677.0

Ain't no such thing as a risk-free investment.

The closest thing to a risk-free investment is a government bond where the risk is considered so small as to be negligible.

As soon as transfer control of our assets to someone else there's a risk that they'll default in some way. That's as true of governments and multinational corporations as it is of some random dude on the internet (though the risk itself, while always present, would probably be considered to be far higher in the latter case).

I agree..."without risk" is certainly not talking about risks who can end this system...
I hope not,because if then...the risk is more painful for myself...
If you wake up ...it's a risk too...
And if you do not wake up it is a risk too...
What is really risk free?
If you see risk every where you will for exemple never buy advertising or something because you have risk that the site closes after your payment and efore you get what you bought...
550  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 17, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
The ticker I'm looking at isn't even close to $273.. I'm getting ~$269 or so.  Is that what everyone else has? I'm always confused as to which site is the best to gauge the actual price for bitcoin.

Chartbuddy. Everything else is just a pale 2-dimensional imitation.

However, for those agonising 59 minutes between posts, I also use Tradeblock (not a huge fan, to be honest) and Coinut's index (useful for trading on Coinut, but changes way too frequently for my liking). And I usually keep several Bitcoinwisdom tabs open.

I believe many people use preev.com, but that includes OTC trades from Localbitcoins which tends to create wild swings.
551  Economy / Speculation / Re: The top is in on: October 16, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
...I'll still be hodling because I don't know of an exchange I can trust to hold FIAT for me (any opinions on that appreciated - I'm not US/EU based which restricts things a little). ...

(Disclaimer: I get paid for my sig by an options exchange)

Keep your BTC and buy "vanilla call options" - if the BTC price goes down, you profit. If the price doesn't go down you'll only have lost what you paid for the call options.

As an example, say you had 5 BTC that you'd prefer to keep, rather than sell and trust your fiat to an exchange. BTC/USD is $265 right now. Contract size at Coinut is 0.01, so you'd need 500 call options. Call options with a "strike price" of 265 (i.e. they pay out when BTC is below $265) cost ~0.0012 - you'd pay 0.6 BTC and if the BTC price fell to $255 you'd make $50 - in BTC. Apart from the 0.6 BTC you pay for the options, the remainder stays safe in your wallet.

You can save money but lose potential profit by buying calls with a lower strike price.
552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC reach $300 this month? on: October 16, 2015, 12:34:30 PM
I'd rather stay at 260 for a few months than have a big jump to 300 then tank all the way back to 200-220.
Gradual & sustained progress is key.

Why it will come back to 200-220? It halving has something to do with it? What is supposedly happen when halving occur?

I don't know if this is what LFC_Bitcoin had in mind, but BTC/USD has been range-bound between ~200 and ~300 USD since late January. My belief is that it's demonstrated it can go above 300 several times, but to sustain a price above 300 it'll need support and a quick dash to >300 won't bring that support - more likely is that people will sell to take profits. If the price rises slowly, over time, people will have more confidence that the rise isn't just a temporary blip.
553  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: October 16, 2015, 09:33:48 AM
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Seeing these images, couldn't someone make a profit out of the price difference? By arbitaging.
Someone probably is. It's a risky undertaking, though - you need to keep both BTC and fiat on a range of exchanges so you (or your bot) can move fast when the opportunity arises. There used to be a Google docs spreadsheet (back when MtGox was still active) showing arb opportunities - but the biggest opportunities always involved exchanges where you probably wouldn't want to keep fund for any length of time.
554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Next target: 260-270 on: October 16, 2015, 09:07:06 AM
I think that the target of 260-270 will be reached today.
Because in coindeskt the price is $258.29 +1.36%.
What is exactly happening that the price is increasing?
I'd say, being a skeptic now that, price is increasing because of some manipulation for a big pump and dump. But being a optimistic guy that I am, I would say people are finally realizing the value of bitcoin, still doesn't make any sense though.

My theory is far more mundane - we've been range-bound since late January. Right now price is cycling upward for the third/fourth time, from ~200 to ~300 (and hopefully higher). Nothing to see here, just routine price movement in a market where bulls and bears appear fairly evenly matched at present. I hope we reach 300 and sail through it. If not I'll sell calls and wait - hopefully the price will bounce up around 200 and I'll sell puts and wait again.
555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Next target: 260-270 on: October 16, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
257 Smiley

Here we are right on track. We should see all exchanges break 260 within the next 50 hours.

It looks easy, but in fact it isn't. If a whale don't want to let it break through the $260 level, then we most likely fall back or even go sub $250 again.

For the past month, every time we've neared a nice round USD number we've fallen back and only passed through it on the second attempt. With the weekend approaching fast, I suspect we won't sustain >260 until after the weekend. I'd love to be wrong, obviously.
556  Economy / Speculation / Re: The pollution from bitcoin will make government forbid it on: October 16, 2015, 07:42:59 AM
forbid it? You mean just like they "forbid" drugs?

Yeah, they could recycle the good old "war on drugs" and call it "war on coins"

That would be awesome. In addition to the prince increase we could reasonably expect from such nonsense, there'll also be an additional premium if we only sell BTC to law enforcement and journalists, who always seem to confuse "street value" with "the only possible value, for any quantity, ever". Good times!

I just hope it is the war on drugs they recycle - if they go down the war on terror route I'll need to drone-proof my paper wallet.

In the UK our wonderful government always appoints a "Czar" whenever they're fighting one of these wars. We'd get a Coin Czar. That sounds cool (they always sound cool).
557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2015, 01:17:49 PM
I didn't realise Preev included LBC. It is a valid metric, maybe the most valid in a way, but subject to some pretty outrageous whims.

I dunno - it's never felt right to me, including OTC trades in with exchange trades. I'd certainly be interested in an index of OTC trades (LBC is my default source of fresh BTC), but lumping them in with exchange trades just seems... wrong. And the two different trade types on LBC doesn't help either.
558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2015, 12:25:44 PM
On preev.com , it calculates the USD price by taking prices from LBC, Bitfinex , BTC-E and Bitstamp.
Someone is manipulating the price a lot in one of those exchanges, it just went up to 259.7 and then back to 254.7 now.

Last time I looked at preev it was the same - but I'm fairly certain it's due to LBC's wild swings (due to an exciting mix of person-to-person and remote trades, and the premium P2P trades command).
559  Economy / Economics / Re: Thoughts on "holding" Bitcoin on: October 15, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
I tend more towards the 80% cold storage / 20% investment side (though right now it's more like 95%/5%), but I'd certainly tend towards recommending 100% cold storage as a general rule. But... I don't think the risk of being 20% shorter is that big - unless you stick all your 20% in one "investment" (and I'd hope no one would do that). Part of investing is managing risk, and a big part of managing risk is spreading investments - not putting all your eggs in one basket.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I hope that you are aware that many people don't know how to manage this risk, especially new people. Also there is no good place to invest your coins at the moment. 95% of all the options are either scams or too big of the risk of just not getting ROI and even losing. Not even trading, investing into new coins. Everything has just stopped.

Sadly, I think you're all too correct - that's why I'd tend towards recommending 100% cold storage (at least until I felt comfortable that the person I was discussing it with understood risk). The 5% I still have on exchanges is mostly for hedging, and I think even that's a big ask for many traders/investors (and, right now, it's limited to one exchange - which is far from ideal in itself).
560  Economy / Economics / Re: Thoughts on "holding" Bitcoin on: October 14, 2015, 05:39:09 PM
I think that some of your bitcoins should be lended or invested. Holding 100% of your bitcoins is a good strategy, but in my opinion, holding 80% of them and lending/investing 20% of them is a better strategy.

No, no, and no. Unfortunately if you do this, there are big chances that you will be 20% shorter on your bitcoins one day, since you will get scammed.

I would hold all my coins in the cold storage except the ones I have for daily spending.

I tend more towards the 80% cold storage / 20% investment side (though right now it's more like 95%/5%), but I'd certainly tend towards recommending 100% cold storage as a general rule. But... I don't think the risk of being 20% shorter is that big - unless you stick all your 20% in one "investment" (and I'd hope no one would do that). Part of investing is managing risk, and a big part of managing risk is spreading investments - not putting all your eggs in one basket.
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