I will take your answer as a "yes" to the question of whether or not its your "religion".

You simply can not deny many scientists disagree with the man made global cooling and warming hoaxes.

You disagree with these professionals and scientists just like I disagree with the ones aligning themselves with the globalist agenda. My agenda is quite clear ... preservation of the nation state, freedom, liberty, sovereignty, and the money we work hard to make that used to allow us a good quality of life.

Diametrically opposed to that is the agenda of those you stand religiously behind and defend, who are hell bent on taking away from you; your; nation state, freedom, liberty, sovereignty, and the money you work hard to make thats used to allow you a good quality of life.

I am sorry but you can not seriosuly expect me to write up a list of thousands of professionals and scientists disagreeing with man made global warming and/or cooling. You are simply grasping at straws. Go google if you truly dispute it. But we both know you dont dispute their existance.


I have no doubt those with an agenda say there are more scientist who think there is global warming and/or cooling than not, but is it more about the numbers of scientists than whether or not they are accurate ?

If I have the money, power, influence, and/or prestige to be awarded enough to convince many scientists of something, does that make it true ?  

Hell alot of scientists have admitted they simply dont know but have erred on the side of caution and influence from/or others "work". IMO they should not be taken seriously, while many more disagree with it entirely.

Imagine you are a scientist with a family and a career to look after.....

What if your funding would evaporate if you "didnt get on board" ?

What if you were warned no to "rock the boat"?

What if you were threatened directly with marginalization, career ruination, removal, dismissal, forced retirement, disollution of your position, or loss of seniority ?

See this science thing is strange. Usually consensus is easily and quickly formed based on experimentation, observation and evidence. I have heard of nothing that has split the scientific community apart more than global cooling/warming hoax, except maybe for a bit the planet, now celestial body, Pluto.

That tells me everything I need to know.

Right back at ya.

Considering the thousands of professionals and scientist refuting the global warming "consensus", would that not mean the same for you ?

Are you a religious freak adhering to the global warming scam like a christian clutching the Word of God despite the lack of overwhelming scientific evidence it exists ?

There is no point in arguing with such people, as no lack of scientific evidence will ever convince someone who will gladly sacrifice a lack of science and reason itself on its religious altar.


 
I agree the faked man made global cooling and warming hoaxes are identical, but not in the way you might think.

My share is already paid for privately, by me and my family.

Your share, wanting to steal my money, is not my share. You just want to rename or rebrand it as "my share" to make you feel better about basic robbery/theft.

The one freeloading is you or anyone else asking for free health care, expecting anyone other than themselves to pay for it.

My share does not include you or anyone else unless I voluntarily donate it of my own free will.

Sure you can take it by force, but that just makes it simple theft/robbery that's been legalised.

It would be a different story if I chose to use those services I am paying for as in community infrastructure we pay for - electric, water, sewage, roads, by engaging in contracts to use those services I pay the bills monthly for, but also paying more than my share by funding those using them for free.

...or they simply demand their freedom and rights, no threats of force or prinson at the point of a gun for simply breathing, are ready, willing, and able to take care of themselves and their families, teach their families the importance of self reliance, hard work, and saving and preparation, unwilling to bow to anyone who makes the presumption of authority over them, and refuses to reliquish said because a couple fellow human beings decided to steal from them to help somone else, then called it some arbitrary thing like a "law", to benefit others who think this world owes them a free ride because they parents decided to have sex and not teach the product thereof the important things in life.

the only reason the state seems to need to control health care costs is becasue of the state of the manufacturing, industry, economy, and unemployment they intentionally killed TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOW THOSE CONTROL MECHANISMS TO COME IN.

If anything, the prices for everything should be decreasing as technology advances manufacturing, communications, industry, and services. The ones you defend are killing you and you dont even realize it.

I will admit we need to take care of the people in need... for now, but we must turn around this control structure and take control of our government and economy, and start farming and manufacturing again. Kill the trade treaties we ratified allowing corporations to import everything made by people earning a bowl of rice and a poke in the eye instead of sane wages, put high tarrifs on imports, high taxes on corporations, then lower them as they create jobs. Another answer is banking reform. In addition to the robber barons going overseas and unfettered importation, the money trusts and money changers (central banking system) are screwing us as well, and is a prime cause of our indebtedness.

People making a good living, living responsibly, and saving can take care of their own medical needs.

Please show me a group of scientists, whos numbers are rapidly increasing every day, who disputes the scientific consensus that the earth is billions of years old. Please keep in mind that bible/religion-based "science" does not count.

To insinuate that I disbelieve all science and scientific consensus to fraudulently attempt to prove your side of the debate is, at best, disingenuous, and at most, a blantant fabrication.

... and since its been irrationally mentioned by a few people in a few threads, I believe the earth it an orb (roundish), I believe in Newton's law of universal gravitation, and I believe in Eintein's Theory of Relativity, and quite a few more...

I am not religious. If you want to call freedom, liberty, and preservation of every human beings birth rights as a religion, so be it. I stand proudly guilty.

Lastly, no one, nor any groups, have any right to tell anyone else what to do so long as no one is infringing on the birth rights of another. Same goes for their property rights. Non-universal scientific consensus, supposition, and conjecture are not forms of nor proof of infringement.

To believe otherwise, for any reason, is to believe others have the supreme right to rule over you and your property, thus you are a slave... plain and simple servitude where you allow them to use thesis, antithesis, and synthesis psychology to rule and control you, your wealth, and your property. Where you are actually begging to be enslaved and ruled over. If thats your wish, go for it. However people like me will fight to the death against it, as oh so many have done in our history to give us the few freedoms we do still have to enjoy. I can take care of all myself and my families needs, act responsibly, and dont need anyone else doing it for me in the name of "saving the planet", which is pure bullshit.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

or as a paraphrased ideal of that...

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. "

Edmund Burke 1770

Its a hypothetical. I have no idea for certain how I will react if presented with undeniable evidence that our world will end if we dont do something. Most likely, I would do what I thought was the most responsible and best without international entities bent on world domination, control, and power having a gun at my back and stealing my freedom, sovereignty, rights, and wealth, stating, "these measures are the only possible solution". There is no undeniable evidence though. In fact, its going the other way with more and more professionals and scientists advertising the fraud of the IPCC and other entities, plus their attempts to silence and marginalize those other scientists and professionals with an opposing "consensus" counter to that of the bought and paid for through bribery, deceipt, manipulation, peer pressure, indoctrination and "education". Whether they are dupes or adepts is not relevent to me.

It goes against everything within me. I do not believe threats and fear should replace freedom and our rights at the point of a gun, which is what is happening using the fear manipulation, propaganda, and attempts at justification.

If you dont let me have sex with your wife and daughter, the world will end. I have a couple friends who agree, thus our collective scientific consensus. Just like the rulers and priests of old stating the world and humanity will end if we dont bow to their God or them AS Gods, and even wrote their instruction books for it. Its was all so very scientific and they used their knowledge that the little people had no idea existed to prove it. You know, like the basics of science we take for granted today. Eclipses, weather forcasting, use of dangerous resources and elements that caused sickness and illness, disease, and much other knowledge and understanding of space and the world around us.

"... believe in me or do what I say, or I will darken the skies in 3 days, make it rain, cause a draught, release plague upon you, and your world will end... etc..."


by your posts.

scientists who are not infallible. They could be wrong. But then my belief that the earth is billions of years old will do nothing to affect my sovereignty, freedom, rights, or wealth, and I am certainly not forcing you to act on it at the point of a weapon or threat of being caged.

That said, the moon could indeed be made of cheese and fall to the earth at any time. I have no idea, so I best buy that cheese cutter just in case. Its not to increase the political power and wealth of the elite cheese cutter manufacturers spouting fear, manupulation, threats, innuendo, supposition, and conjecture, is it..

semantics.

So, after billions of years of a growing and changing earth, you are telling me that because of humans, the earth is teetering on a razors edge between global cooling and global warming that can only remain sustained and habitable by the intentional actions of humans to combat the heating and cooling with world-wide regulation and control efforts, with extinction of all life as the outcome if we dont give up sovereignty, freedom, liberty, our rights, and wealth to the ruling class, whos only objective is to "save us", while having all the power and control over us, our land, and our resources ??

You really honestly and truly believe that ?

All I can do is shake my head in disbelief and it is taking everything within me to refrain from posting abusive and defamatory epithets in response to your ludicrous response.

They did a number on you.

You are absolutely correct.

The civil war was not about ending slavery. It was to supposedly "Save The Union". Abolition was a by product.

Lincoln wrote to Joshua Speed in 1855:

Lincoln wrote a letter in response to an editorial by Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune which had urged complete abolition:

Lincoln wrote to James C. Conkling on August 26, 1863:

Lincoln stated in a October 16, 1854 speech that:

In analyzing Lincoln's position, historian Eugene H. Berwanger notes:

There is always a bit of truth to add credibility. There were times when the earth had warmed and had fewer ice caps, and we are fine.

There were mini ice ages, and we are fine.

In 1972 the international people and groups behind all the global scares claimed global cooling and if we didnt act we would be extinct. No one believed them and we are fine. The sames families, groups, and people behind the global warming scare today. We will be fine.

Sames goes for every claim of "end of the world" and "extinction" thats based on bastardized "science". Science which any scientists detracting from the "official consensus" is deleted, marginalized, fired, or murdered in the name of the agenda. That agenda is a few controlling everyone else and the worlds resources, and stealing your wealth, freedom, and rights, so that the global community is lead by a few. After all, in these times of peril and threat of extinction, we need to have world leadership and no borders.

The bottom line is if it ever happens, it wont be mans fault and there will be nothing we can do about it except dig a hole and stock foodstuffs, which might let us live a couple minutes longer in the grand scheme.

What I dont like is the stealing of our rights, freedoms, sovereignty, and wealth in the process in the name of "saving the world" that decreases the quality of life and severely limits peoples ability to live well and survive NOW.

It's education and rage. It is unlawful for the military to operate domestically, even by proxy.  A population aware of the wrong their government is doing is the first step in fixing it. The people have the power, ability, and responsibility to be informed and participate in their government, else others with an agenda will take it over, which has ocurred over the last 100 years. More people should be outraged.

Ron Paul is not the solution, but he is our best choice if we wish to return to some semblance of a Constitutional Republic and get away from this fascist government. I have many issues with Ron Paul, but who else are we going to elect? Look at the choices and their backgrounds and controllers. In the end, both parties are identical, while feeding us minor issues to keep us arguing amongst ourselves instead of coming together at one people against the wrongs in our system. Personally, I believe Ron paul to be a partially controlled opposition to the people, instead of a fully controlled opposition to the people, placed and kept there as an emergency mechanism so the insidious influences dont lose everything all at once, as would happen if the people truly woke up, revolted and/or elected someone truly for the people.

If you are a student of true world history, you would know that the people always eventaully win against the state. Throughout history all civilizations have fallen. Ours has not ... yet. Throughout history all tyrannical and oppressive leaders and regimes have fallen when they went to far and the people revolted or they were invaded. The current system of freedom-based governemnt is not very old in comparison. the ruling elites blinked and gave in to the people when they became unhappy and revolted to give us this freedom, while others fought hard for it. Most recently, they learned to use psychology to make the people think they are happy to keep control of their governments and their wealth and power. This too will change. We may not see it in our lifetime, but it will happen, and we have to set an example for our descendents to follow. The people will always have the power, but there will be many casualties.


The problem is that they are using the military to spy on their own people, unlawfully operating domestically.

I agree wholeheartedly with reparations to the families of the enslaved by the plantation owners families that created the multi-national conglomerates and ruling and political elitists of today, inclusive of the families of the blacks back then, right down to all of our families enslaved to this very day. It makes no difference if its chains and a whip, or prison, theft of our wealth and freedoms, and debt at the point of a gun we have today.

Additionally, I have problems with all human slavery that has gone on for thousands of years that have created the worlds ruling bloodlines and stores of wealth beyond imagination, all off the backs of every race of people, and reparations are owing and due. The people just need to stand up to claim them and take them...by force if necessary.

That said, since we must live in this system, I believe in equality for all. Black, white, yellow, brown, red, or purple... with no agendas, class distinctions, race distinctions, and certainly not a refusal to meter out equal justice under the law of in lieu of reparations for a few.

Don't want to meter out equal justice under the law?

Then repeal the legislation allowing for aggrivated "hate crime" sentances that situationally increase penalties for some, while lessening sentances for others. It's not equal justice under the law. I have my own problems with ordinance and statue law, but thats for another thread..

"THREE JUVENILES accused of assaulting a cabdriver and his passenger in Center City Saturday night while shouting racial slurs will not be charged with a hate crime, the District Attorney's Office said yesterday.

The teens, who are black, were not charged with hate crimes because there was no evidence that the assault had been motivated by the race of the victims [what?], who are white, said Tasha Jamerson, D.A. spokeswoman. Just shouting racial epithets during the commission of a crime doesn't rise to the level of ethnic intimidation, she said."

http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-03/news/31021741_1_three-teens-racial-slurs-racial-epithets

I agree that shouting racial slurs in the commission of a crime is not in an of itself a hate crime, however when the targets of the crime are both the target of the slurs and the race slurred, they I vehemently disagree on the basis of equal protection under the law, and feel it is a hate crime under the law. That said I do not agree with the hate crime legislation aggrivating factors that raise the level of the crime committed.

I think that DA should check out the plethora if cases where white assailants shouting racial epithets/slurs have victimized blacks and were subsiquently charged with hate crimes.

Isn't it nice to have equal protection under the law ...

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2012/02/faa_drones.html

“the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall establish a program to integrate unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system at six test ranges.”

We are the enemy.

http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-suspicious-activity-reporting-flyers/

click on a flyer link (PDF reader required) - they one for everyone.

it's about making us scared of each other so we never come together against them.

We are the enemy.

No, son. Workplace safety was a product of employees banding together to place pressure on employers to contract with them for workplace safety, better working hours, better working conditions, increased wages, and extra benefits. Not through statute laws and not through the government. It was called collective bargaining. The striking workers and union leader pressured those the company sold to, caused public outcry, causing more pressure on the companies. This did not occur through any legislation. Then MUCH MUCH LATER union leaders started lobbying our elected officials for laws long after it was proven and successful. What you are referring to is after the fact. Which was fine and dandy because the companies agreed so they would not continue to lose profits as it was affecting their bottom line.

I dont believe there should be welfare and free medical care that the taxpayer must burden. No species on earth survives without working to survive, but humans are different because its an agenda to beat us down, make us unhappy, poor, disenfranchised, and fearful. Thats how they control us becasue we rely on them for our survival, instead of relying on ourselves.

and i stand by that statement.

IF it becomes reality, it is no longer potential.

Until it becomes reality, its potential... fantasy...  non-existent.

We are often guilty of the non-existent _INSERT_POTENTIAL_HERE_.

I am not disputing the stated dangers of smoking.

What I am saying is that you have no right to work for someone and tell them how to run their business.

In a perfect world you are 100% responsible for yourself.

If you dont want to be around smokers, dont work at a job where smokers work, or for employers who allows it. This can easily be established at the time an application is requested, which makes the rest of your reply moot.

Just like you dont ride with that nutty friend who drives like a maniac, intentionally endangering you health, if you perceive it as a threat to your health. Many do not.

It's called personal responsibility, which has pretty much been educated out of the population.

you are selectively reading, Matthew.

you ignored, "as opposed to actual".

I have the potential to break your face.

The point is... until it happens, its fantasy... not reality.