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61  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 30, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Until more information is provided, all of this is conjecture based on partial information. He has not stated that the funds from the first batch of May chips would be used future batches and the assumptions made after the financial post clearly conflict with the previous info from Jutarul. It's advisable to wait for correct information than to panic from the sporadic postings of a few.

Here's the direct shareholder list (current as of March 30th):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dy2BQlPn8cd9tyq9wQv7dciZCiWEjNzNvCgmaIcJAA8/edit#gid=0

If things were in complete disarray, would not the larger shareholders (who have significant BTC invested) actually voice their opinions and concerns to friedcat? Unlike the speculators here (hoping to catch cheap shares), they're still waiting. That should say something to the rest of us.
62  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 30, 2014, 07:04:53 PM
Per-share equity is low. If we subtract current losses, it's about 0.03BTC/share.
And that is if they manage to sell everything at current prices, and does not include potential cash conversion problems.
Because of cost principle, inventory should be reported on balance sheet at its cost to produce/acquire, not its market or selling cost. So presuming AM can sell their inventory at a profit (IMO very likely), the net will be a multiple higher than the current inventory asset. How much higher is the question.

Well stated, if folks cannot understand grasp this concept, you have simply thrown away your BTC. friedcat did NOT pay 0.49$/G-0.99$/G to produce, rather that is price he is selling at. Those who acted irrationally by making unfounded associations to the numbers provided will soon wish they had not.
63  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 29, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
My apologies for not being able to catch up with the current debate. The current status is that friedcat committed to the 27-MAY as the date to release the financial reports and he communicated his intent to wait for the first round of payments and the financials to release dividends (thus bringing stuff into alignment). That day has now passed without prior announcement of any potential delay. There is no technical reason why dividend payments couldn't be made independently from any financial report release date - it's just a matter of preference. I am currently expecting to hear back on that matter, I have no further information available.

I'd like to reassure shareholders that there is a shared interest in getting this resolved soon. As such I see the responsibility with the board to follow up on this.

Much appreciated, as always.
64  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 28, 2014, 05:53:56 PM
Since a boardmember requires 5000 shares and it is stated nowhere
that a boardmember is required to be a natural person I suggest
that minority shareholders with sufficient stake agree to pool
their shares into a groupentity.

There should be more then enough people that have 100 or more
direct shares to also get one seat together. I suggest that the
person to become boardmember shall be elected representitive
for this group by votes per direct shares per group member.

Your control of your shares shall not leave you, all that will be
required is a signed message to agree to form the group and
give boardmemberstatus to group by proxy.

Anyone interested can contact me.

Editing: Grammer and spelling

Second edit:  Maybe 50 shares is fine, too?
Also 1/5th of required shares are allready interested  Cheesy

I would ask for those who wish to be involved to be very careful in doing this. To be considered as a board member, all 5000 shares must be under one bitcoin address. When the group shares are collectively gathered under one address, the "representative" is considered the sole owner of ALL the shares (to friedcat) and will be treated similarly to the Havelock Passthru. Keep in mind as well that should friedcat be willing to go through with this during this busy time, it will require agreement from all parties before the group is able to split the shares back to the rightful owners again. We all want information on AM's current status and the next incoming dividend but understand the potential consequences (and headache) from this endeavor.

EDIT: Bitfair has already posted similar thoughts already. Jutarul has been forthcoming with all available information; as tough as it is, it's best to sit tight for now.
65  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 27, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
For those wondering, here is the running count of currently known large batch AM chip buyers/manufacturers:

1) ROCKMiner (Link)
2) HashRatio (Link)
3) Lightning ASIC (Link)
4) BTC Garden (Link)
5) XBTec (Link)
66  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 22, 2014, 05:46:36 AM
ROCKMiner is shipping:

https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc
67  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 21, 2014, 01:53:43 PM
take a look lightningasic LA800G. its 1.1W/GHS, on wall.
its not bad for 40nm design.

Will you stop spamming please?

He's a large batch chip buyer and potential franchisee, personally I don't mind.
68  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 20, 2014, 12:14:55 AM
Where is the information about the rockminer solo farm?

Somewhere in rockxies ipo thread. IIRC theyhad a goal of selling 10ph.

Looks like hashratio solofarm is up to 115th. Soon to be 1ph:

Is their solo farm consisting purely of AM Gen 3 chips? Potential franchisees?
69  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 18, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Another company using AM's Gen3 chip:

LightningASIC (link)

That puts the count at three, with RockMiner and HashRatio being the other two.
70  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 16, 2014, 09:21:32 PM
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HashRatio mining machine. The mining machine is mainly designed for large-scale deployments use mine, not in units of "units" for sale, generally units sold. A unit that contains 10 sets of small mines, power consumption 8-9KW , calculate the force 7.2-8T , price 68000 yuan.

http://www.cybtc.com/article-956-1.html

Are there any fellow Chinese investors that could translate that for us? Thanks in advance, should you do so.
71  Economy / Securities / Re: ROCKMINER - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips on: May 15, 2014, 02:26:16 AM
ROCKMINER has competition!

72  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 15, 2014, 02:20:10 AM

Is that friedcat?

Will any IPO investor confirm?
73  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 11, 2014, 11:35:40 PM
USD, RMB, or BTC - these won't have a positive ROI any way you cut it.

Bitcoin awareness has grown over the past year. New individuals have now heard of Bitcoin and have a simple understanding of how it works. This product provides a low barrier to entry (less than $100, low power usage) for those folks to get their feet wet in the Bitcoin mining industry. This way, they do not have to risk thousands of dollars on a preorder that may or may not arrive. With its pricing in fiat, there is the opportunity to make ROI should BTC rise in value again (spoilers: it will).

It serves its purpose by exposing the brand with products in a sleek design and at an approachable price point, which is competitive with other offerings that have immediate delivery. For the enthusiast miners here and the like, it's unlikely to appeal to them. Friedcat will have the "high-end" covered through franchise mining (2.4 PH/s @ 1.2 MW) and large batch chip orders. Rockxie is initially focusing on the "low end" first with this and plans to ramp up with the next iteration.

Batch produced will be done after 10 days,which is about thousands units,then can be shipped out.Current price is around $90,but it will be adjusted then,so we dont accept preorder now.
Bades will be TGH/S in June,if everything works good.

If a rise in BTC price is necessary for miners to make ROI wouldn't it just be better to buy and hold?

bingo!

Yes but as I said, this is an option for people actually want own some mining hardware (see above). From looking at the Mining Hardware subforum, there are plenty of USB miners and then there are small ASIC boards. This serves as another option for those people. Are you going to make a 10x return? No. Obviously if there is no demand, then the test run of the ~1000 units (~4000 chips) would be a failure.
74  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 11, 2014, 09:34:55 PM
USD, RMB, or BTC - these won't have a positive ROI any way you cut it.

Bitcoin awareness has grown over the past year. New individuals have now heard of Bitcoin and have a simple understanding of how it works. This product provides a low barrier to entry (less than $100, low power usage) for those folks to get their feet wet in the Bitcoin mining industry. This way, they do not have to risk thousands of dollars on a preorder that may or may not arrive. With its pricing in fiat, there is the opportunity to make ROI should BTC rise in value again (spoilers: it will).

It serves its purpose by exposing the brand with products in a sleek design and at an approachable price point, which is competitive with other offerings that have immediate delivery. For the enthusiast miners here and the like, it's unlikely to appeal to them. Friedcat will have the "high-end" covered through franchise mining (2.4 PH/s @ 1.2 MW) and large batch chip orders. Rockxie is initially focusing on the "low end" first with this and plans to ramp up with the next iteration.

Batch produced will be done after 10 days,which is about thousands units,then can be shipped out.Current price is around $90,but it will be adjusted then,so we dont accept preorder now.
Bades will be TGH/S in June,if everything works good.
75  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 01, 2014, 12:44:08 AM
The understanding is that dividends would be paid out after the first large batch of chips sold, which may be sooner than the previously mentioned date.

How it can be sooner if the chips are delayed by one month?

Are you assuming again? There has been no information stating that the chips have been delayed.
76  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 30, 2014, 11:51:47 PM
Did FC explicitly say there wouldn't be any dividends till the financial report, or is that just speculation?

The understanding is that dividends would be paid out after the first large batch of chips sold, which may be sooner than the previously mentioned date.
77  Economy / Securities / Re: How many IPO's on here that has made ROI from dividends? on: April 28, 2014, 04:25:30 AM
Really? Just one? Amazing..

Wonder how much profit was generated from 1 bitcoin worth of investment at the start of the IPO..

IPO was 0.1/share and ASICMiner has paid 0.6146 BTC a share so far. It would be about 6.1 BTC earned if you've held shares since IPO for 1 BTC spent. For their first year of operations, they averaged about 0.01/share a week.
78  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips on: April 25, 2014, 09:12:27 PM
So you can't or you are afraid to tell a number of months. You are arguing with me because I don't believe that $50M will be invested into mining in 2 months, but can't give a specific time? Then what's the point of the argue? It's just a dead end. I gave you arguments you give me nothing. It's just because you say it so. If the money will be invested in 10 months you will tell me that you won the argument because it was a little more than 2 months while i have a strict deadline of 2 months you have no deadline. Be fair.

Don't get your panties in an uproar.

I believe that the hashing power in question will be deployed within five months.

You say you have given arguments, but I see nothing more than opinion. You haven't backed it up by any arguments. You're all like "I don't believe", "I don't think it will happen", "I find it hard to believe", etc. And that's fine, I have nothing against opinions, just don't try to misrepresent it as "fact" or "arguments".

Anyway, I'm sick of you and you have trolled me all too well. From now on, you are ignored.

Ok. No problem with that. You just prove me that i was right Smiley The argument started when I said that i don't think it will happen in 2 months, you think it will happen in 5 months for a whooping 250% more time. Thank you for proving me right.

Please explain how that "proves" that you're right? From what's been posted, there isn't anything that indicates as such. Have you heard the phrase "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" before? In other words, just because it cannot be proven/verified, it doesn't mean it's completely false. Your own statements say "I don't believe that $50M will be invested into mining in 2 months." At this moment, we all don't know and everything that's been posted is only conjecture and nothing more. The majority of those in favor of AM do not have facts to confirm that those funds will be present when the hardware is available, just as you do not to verify your own claims. No one has been proven right currently, only time will tell.
79  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 25, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
We wanted to submit a few followup questions, I'm proposing the following, does anyone have amendments or critique?

- When can we expect the financial report that's supposed to coincide with the next round of dividends?
- With the switch to selling chips, can we expect dividends to be paid out on are "more monthly" basis?
- What capacity of gen 3 hardware is supposed to be used for franchised mining?
- What are the current approximate terms of franchised mining, i.e. how is AM and the shareholders profiting from it?
- Are there any current plans of improving the PR; maybe bi-weekly short summaries or a PR person (board member?)? Are question sets like this an option, maybe once a month?
- Is AM considering a gen 3.1 which fixes the problems of the current node size before going to a lower nm process size (similar to Intel's tick-tock)?

These are valid questions but the responses may be limited. Keep in mind that by disclosing info to shareholders, it gives the competition a minor edge as they do not have to.
80  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips on: April 24, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
...Unless AM manages to produce (and produce for shareholders) borderline immediately their next line is likely going to be about as useful as the cubes.

This is to inform that friedcat met with the board today and provided some updates.
Specific Updates
================

Submitted Questions:
1) What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?
re 1) This month: 850k, next month: 3.35m (order size), June: 6.7m (order size), assuming each chip is 10G.

10.9 million chips @ ~10G = 109 PH/s by June's end.

Note: Only ~3 PH/s is scheduled to be retained for self-mining, the rest is to be sold or franchised to interested parties.

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