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601  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: June 29, 2013, 04:59:03 AM
Mining at the beginning of a round is only better _if_ a block is found quick, because if not, the exponential rise of score per share submitted will make your early shares obsolete quite fast.
No, that's not true. Mining at the beginning of a round is better no matter what. It's better because if you find a block before anyone else submits a share, you get the same reward as if you were solo mining and if a block is found shortly after you submit a share, you get a non-zero payout. Thus mining at the very beginning of a round is better than solo mining and clearly it cannot always be better than solo mining.

All you must do to show that a pool is vulnerable to hopping is show that there is some point that an attacker can identify at which the expected return exceeds the expected return for solo mining. If I understand this payout method correctly, it has such a point -- before the first share is submitted in a round.

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If you could predict how long a round takes, you could just mine in the short ones. But switching to solo or another pool after a certain time in the round will very likely result in no reward (or a very very small) for the round, since shares submitted by others after you leave will get a much higher score for them.
That's all true, but has nothing to do with anything. Sure, there are lots of ways one could hop pools that don't work. The question is whether there are any ways that do.

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Besides, in your example, if someone else submits a share and you mine a block very shortly after, you only get part of it - thats not better than solo.
I agree. That's why the pool is vulnerable to hopping. There are good times to mine and worse times to mine. (Assuming I correctly understand how the pool pays out, which I hope I don't, since this is really an obvious flaw.)
602  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: June 28, 2013, 03:59:40 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that this payout strategy is obviously vulnerable to hopping.

If there's any time a miner can identify where he gets a higher payout than he would get solo mining, the pool is vulnerable to hopping. Obviously, the payouts can't always be better than solo mining. So if it's sometimes better, it must also sometimes be worse. If a miner can tell when it's better, he can mine only when it's better.

Say it's the very beginning of the round. If I mine a block before anyone else submits a share, I get the whole 25 BTC. So the payout at the very beginning of a round is as good as solo mining. And if I don't mine a block and someone else does very shortly after me, I get a non-zero payout. Thus mining at the beginning of a round is better than solo mining.

I must be missing something because this is pretty obvious.

603  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Address collision on: June 27, 2013, 06:21:40 AM
Is this correct that after such a Collision the Encryption will be useless ?
No. What would make Bitcoin's implementation useless would be if someone could produce a private key whose public key hashes to a given address. There are many compromises less than that which would not threaten Bitcoin at all. For example, if an attacker could produce two private keys that both yield the same address, that would be a collision, but it wouldn't provide him any useful attack.

I suspect the reason Satoshi decided to use both SHA256 and RIPEMD-160 is that he feared that he could not be absolutely certain there might not be some weakness from the way ECDSA and RIPEMD-160 might interact that might permit a collision exploit, but the idea that there could be some exploitable interaction in ECDSA->SHA256->MD160 seemed rather absurd.
604  Bitcoin / Mining / Perhaps a philosophical question or two about mining on: June 26, 2013, 09:29:07 AM
Mostly for fun, I put together a 13 GH/s mining setup two weeks ago.

I started mining with Ozcoin and mined block 242128. Sadly, being in a pool, I just got a normal share.
https://ozcoin.net/content/block-history-bitcoin

Then I switched to Eclipse and a few hours ago, I mined block 243360. Again, being in a pool, I just got a normal share.
https://eclipsemc.com/block_stats.php

Now, I have some philosophical questions: If I had been solo mining, would I have still mined these two blocks? Did choosing to mine in a pool cost me $5K? Am I clearly a lucky miner and should begin solo mining immediately? Should I buy a lottery ticket? Or did I use up my luck and need to stay in pools forever? Should I look both ways twice before crossing streets?

Could someone who understands the nature of luck please help me with these confounding questions?
605  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Address collision on: June 26, 2013, 08:38:24 AM
I guess it really doesn't matter that much, 1.4x10^48 is still a really really really big number.

but even doing ripemd160($public) . md5($public) would give us the full range.
Using the "full range" doesn't ensure there won't be collisions. The whole point of using 160-bit addresses was to keep them as short as possible while still meeting the security requirements. Increasing the expected time to the first collision from a hundred billion centuries to a trillion centuries isn't worth having all Bitcoin addresses be 80% longer.
606  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 10 port usb hub for RPi and eruptors on: June 26, 2013, 08:33:42 AM
The RPi will not work reliably with hubs that try to draw 500mA from their host. The RPi will not work reliably with cascaded hubs. Unfortunately, this rules out a lot of 7 to 10 port USB hubs. Also note that a 10-port hub with a 4A power supply will probably run no more than 8 erupters reliably under any conditions.
607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Neighbor says bitcoin is a ponzi scheme on: June 26, 2013, 03:00:16 AM
What exactly does he mean?
He could mean anything. But at best, he means that he believes early investors are profiting only from the investments of later investors and that there is no realistic prospect for any actual value to be produced and thus, on net, investors must necessarily lose money.
608  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: If you still trust MtGox read this story -- 700 EUR stolen! on: June 18, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
Mt. Gox customer service is correct, they don't hold the funds. He's just doing a poor job of explaining the issue. The OP erroneously told SatoshiDice to send funds to some random guy's Mt. Gox account and now he wants Mt. Gox to get him back the funds. Mt. Gox can't do that because Mt. Gox is a hard money system. Their customer service is doing a poor job of explaining that Bitcoin transfers are irreversible and if you send funds to someone, even if by mistake, you cannot get them back.
609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Powered 16x to 16x riser just exploded and caught fire... on: June 13, 2013, 07:25:07 AM
Looking at a few other images of what appear to be similar devices made by the same people (or at least the same methods), the assembly quality appears shockingly poor.



In this picture (taken from an auction), we can see bits of solder that have splattered on the capacitor due to inexcusably careless assembly practices and a complete lack of post-assembly inspection or standards. These could fall off and short out whatever they happen to land on and they are likely hiding thermal damage caused by their contact with the plastic sheath while molten. The soldering quality is extremely poor and gaps and stragglers are visible. The long parallel leads of the capacitor have been left bare, they can easily make contact with each other either directly or through anything that happens to come in contact with them. The yellow wire's insulator appears to have been torn or bitten and there are visible burn marks. The solder joint is doubling as the mechanical connection with no heat shrink tubing. Yikes!

As for your picture, I think the two bare leads shorted out, causing the yellow wire to overheat. The burn marks on the capacitor likely came from the insulation fire, not from the capacitor itself failing. If you look closely, I suspect you'll see the capacitor was just burnt a bit from the outside. It's hard to be sure though -- that would just be my guess. You were just a victim of the lack of insulation and generally abysmal assembly quality.
610  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptographic "breakthrough" by NSA? on: June 08, 2013, 12:15:43 AM
The NSA never endorses anything that they can't themselves decrypt, ever.
That is true for algorithms they can put backdoors in (where it's obvious to everyone that it's possible the NSA could have done so because the constants are "magic"). But it is not true for public algorithms (like SHA256, RSA, and so on) where the constants have known derivations. If the NSA can break it, they know that other intelligence agencies can too, and they can't get the public to change algorithms often. US companies have the most valuable intelligence. Such a strategy would be most unwise.

Update: And what oakpacific said below me.
611  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What if the government... on: June 07, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
Not a lot of people buy marijuana tax stamps. You can either regulate something or you can ban it, but you can't do both. Banning something means giving up the ability to regulate it, and that's an awfully high price to pay. People who are breaking the law anyway won't care if they're laundering drug money or financing terrorism, and they won't go the cops if they suspect people they're dealing with are doing bad things.
612  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Recieved my Jalapeno! Order # 3486 on: June 07, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
Two questions:

1) Does it have a fan inside it?

2) Does it have anything else inside it?
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ripple is a bad idea. on: June 07, 2013, 09:17:33 AM
Wow, you ripple guys are really aggressive with your tactics.  But hey, at least you didn't ignore my reply about the site admins... oh wait, you did.
I asked you to post a link or two. You didn't post any links. I still might search for it to see. But you have to remember, I asked for those links while I still thought you were asking honest questions and open to reason. There's very little point in engaging with you know that I know you aren't.

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Now I'm just a lowly physicist so if you are really the chief cryptographer then I can't argue with you on Ripple validity. I just follow opinions from myself and those I trust.  And I don't trust you. I posted the links as food for thought as not everyone agrees with the Ripple concept and the centralized system.  But good luck getting the rest out there to drink the opencoin kool-aid  Cheesy
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, I guess. As for "drinking the kool-aid", I'm not the one saying things like "Imo the hype of Ripple is due to clever marketing and awarding social media sites with free xpr and for the sake of humanity I hope Opencoin and Ripple die a quick death." That sounds like the kind of thing a person who had drunk the kool-aid would say to me.
614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ripple is a bad idea. on: June 07, 2013, 08:47:09 AM
Curious to why you are sticking up for Ripple and so fast... you replied to my post in like 10 minutes.
I'm the first person Jed McCaleb hired to explore whether the double spend problem could be solved by consensus rather than proof of work. I'm also OpenCoin's Chief Cryptographer. My signature mentions that I'm an employee.

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Are you getting paid by Ripple to voice your opinion on this forum here?
Yes. Part of my job is to explain Ripple to the Bitcoin community.

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Hard to take you serious as I doubt you even read the articles and let them process in your mind before quickly coming to defense....
I honestly can't comprehend the logic behind this. If you think my arguments are weak, they should be easy to respond to, you can put in even less effort than you think I did.
615  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: June 07, 2013, 08:23:31 AM
I addressed those in the other thread where you posted them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142261.msg2399066#msg2399066

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Imo the hype of Ripple is due to clever marketing and awarding social media sites with free xpr and for the sake of humanity I hope Opencoin and Ripple die a quick death.
I wish I had seen this before I took your other post seriously.
616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ripple is a bad idea. on: June 07, 2013, 08:20:03 AM
As he mentions, we're already adding a way to control this. If that's his only complaint, then he'll have none when this is changed. (You will be able to set an option on a pathway. When that option is set, funds can only flow out from your account along that path if it's the source of a transaction, if the input pathway to you had a negative balance, or if you placed an offer.)

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He just doesn't get Ripple and he doesn't look interested in understanding it either. His core argument is that Ripple is bad because it allows people to do bad things. I reject that argument fundamentally. The right question is whether Ripple makes it possible for people to do good things without forcing them to do bad things.

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on a side note i went and took a peak the Ripple forums... ran by a bunch of abusive admins who crap all over their members... not a very nice place Cheesy
Can you post a link or two? I'd like to see what you're referring to.
617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: June 05, 2013, 09:47:44 PM
Then you believe it is just "OK" to lie in that manner to get more people in the project ?
Do you still beat your wife?
618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: June 05, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
Why don't you just update the site and wiki so it reflects **the truth** ? That would shut the mouths of all critics.
It wouldn't shut the mouths of any critics, they'd just move on to some other argument that they don't actually believe.
619  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: WisePass "Ripple Gateway" -- SCAM? on: June 05, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
IOU junk is just confusing.  I would think Ripple would have been way better if they could have just straight up make a peer-to-peer exchange with escrow.  No IOUs that have questionable value or difficult to determine value (heck I don't know, they say its simple exchange anything to anything but once the details start coming out it seems too complicated and risky.. IOU here, trust there, gateway over here, rules for trust and amounts etc).
It is simple to do it right, but it's also simple to do it wrong. Making it harder to do things wrong without making it more difficult to do things right is the challenge. It's harder to hit a nail with a hammer than to hit your thumb -- your thumb is a bigger target. But that doesn't mean there's something wrong with hammers.
620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: June 04, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
So does that mean you guys will shut up once the beta ends and rippled is released as promised?
Probably.
The question is: will it really happen ?
I am personally committed to ensuring this happens by the end of the year at the very latest and, I hope, around September. We have been focusing on outside audits of the source code, increasing the number of, and geographic distribution of, organizations that run validators to gather more real-world data on the behavior of the code, testing the logic that controls changes to the transaction processing rules, and so on.

Bitcoin makes a lot of design sacrifices to enable it to operate as a distributed system with no central authorities. Whenever anyone suggests making a centralized system based on Bitcoin, everyone rightly points out that you have to accept all those sacrifices and in exchange get no benefits. That's just bad engineering. Ripple similarly makes lots of design sacrifices to enable it to operate as a distributed system with no central authorities. Not running it that way, you gain absolutely nothing in exchange for those design sacrifices (other than to validate the design).
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