some mentioned befor that the taker could report the hf
i have some questions:
if that person did short eth and got millions out of that
and if that person holds now the eth
that person does not need to show its id it can also form a fond and let a lawyer be frontman.
am i right?
if the takers act is reported
isnt then there the risk that the white hat act will be investigated too ?
i am not sure but did they ask all the dao holders for permition and did they get it ?
if not isnt that the same crime ?
in front of the law the intention might affect the punishment one gets but does not change the creteria what is a crime and what not
so if the taker wants to know how the law sees his/hers acts, could he/she report the white hat attack ? and see what the law does ?
and is it a crime at all as long as it is locked in the childdao ?
Interesting questions I also thought about or more: I tried to find answers for that, other opinions. But it seems as if even those who are really deep into the subject are not totally sure how to handle this legally. Some believe: The smart contract is the "law" written in code. If that should be the case also juristically the Hacker wouldn't even be a Hacker. If that should be wrong, and the Hack would be seen as illegal, I believe that the White Hats are not totally the same, even if legally not on the safe side. The most interesting question is under the line what the DAO is legally. Most likely there are no laws for such freaky-science-fiction-firms ;-) It's something that is new in a lot of ways. But while I believed it's a really interesting social experiment I changed my mind about it when I saw that it was pumped up to this ridiculous overahundredmilliondollarthing. I believe that says more about Ethereum and slock.it than just that they have some creative ideas. It needs some intense intentions to risk the Ethereum-ecosystem with something like that and it would have been a risk anyway - also without a hack. i agree with you. the dao was a very risky thing and it was pumped . i was invested in ether but i sold . seeing how they deal with this now. even if one can now make easy fast profit. id rather not be part of it . i hoped after i read some papers from vitalik that the change of paradigma that i sensed in his ideas will set how ether is established. no more greed comunity . but it seems its just the same like bailouts i saw how on reddit all the contra hf coments are voted down. its a shame. i guess if we want a mayority to judge we need first to educate mayority what are our setings in ethic and have a strong moral grow in them . otherwise its like now a lynchmop decides and defamating everyone who dares to ask unwanted questions. |
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some mentioned befor that the taker could report the hf
i have some questions:
if that person did short eth and got millions out of that
and if that person holds now the eth
that person does not need to show its id it can also form a fond and let a lawyer be frontman.
am i right?
if the takers act is reported
isnt then there the risk that the white hat act will be investigated too ?
i am not sure but did they ask all the dao holders for permition and did they get it ?
if not isnt that the same crime ?
in front of the law the intention might affect the punishment one gets but does not change the creteria what is a crime and what not
so if the taker wants to know how the law sees his/hers acts, could he/she report the white hat attack ? and see what the law does ?
and is it a crime at all as long as it is locked in the childdao ?
I don't think even a lawyer could tell you the answers to any of those questions to be honest. There isn't really a precedent for anything like this before, it's very new & different, also there are different points of view depending on how you look at the whole situation. well i guess a lawyer if interested might be able its so new there is no precednt but there is a lot of money in it i wonder what will happen next i am personaly disapointed about the moral of the ether its a shame and i am not pro"taker" i am pissed off about that act it destroyed something that could have been beautiful but then the slockit and the ether com did know about the bug for weeks befor it happened. and did nothing its a shame |
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some mentioned befor that the taker could report the hf
i have some questions:
if that person did short eth and got millions out of that
and if that person holds now the eth
that person does not need to show its id it can also form a fond and let a lawyer be frontman.
am i right?
if the takers act is reported
isnt then there the risk that the white hat act will be investigated too ?
i am not sure but did they ask all the dao holders for permition and did they get it ?
if not isnt that the same crime ?
in front of the law the intention might affect the punishment one gets but does not change the creteria what is a crime and what not
so if the taker wants to know how the law sees his/hers acts, could he/she report the white hat attack ? and see what the law does ?
and is it a crime at all as long as it is locked in the childdao ?
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It would probably take atleast 10 minutes for investigators to figure out who the shorter is.
Has anyone even reported this crime?
lol no none has reported it they say "the code" is the judge the law and the executor, no investigation was done big money was lost becose of lausy code . what i know are most of the "solvers" invested means they are among them who might lose if there is no HF welcome brave new world order maybe no one reported to authorities....not sure if it has to be reported for some agency to investigate...heck its all over news. And being that's bitfinex is operating lawfully, for sure bitfinex is in the process of trying to finding out who did it ( they have a host of other reasons to find out too) but just imagine for a minute that the "taker" ( the retorik hacker or attacker is impimenting wrongful doing befor prove) did just what the code said then he didnt do wrong. investors can say the creators are to blame for lausy coding and sue them but if the taker did not hack the code i guess there is no crime done by the law . ethicaly its different. the taker did know the dao wasnt ment to be used like that . but anyway . i think takeing it back is then the crime that will be reported . becouse the internet knows who did it there are names the pools are knowen . the devs and so on. the taker is lucky that person is anonymus. |
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It would probably take atleast 10 minutes for investigators to figure out who the shorter is.
Has anyone even reported this crime?
maybe yes maybe no.... i think bitfinex has been implementing aml/kyc to satisfy US banking laws (as they have already been assessed a pretty heavy fine). I not so sure what kind of documentation one has to provide if from another country other than US. Also, again, DAO attacker has a fairly robust skill set. I would imagine he/she/they set their account up utilizing whatever means necessary to hide identity. The short supposedly made a million dollars...setting up a fake identity for sure costs a lot less ..lol do you know if there is a legal problem for exchanges ? after the fork ? |
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It would probably take atleast 10 minutes for investigators to figure out who the shorter is.
Has anyone even reported this crime?
lol no none has reported it they say "the code" is the judge the law and the executor, no investigation was done big money was lost becose of lausy code . what i know are most of the "solvers" invested means they are among them who might lose if there is no HF welcome brave new world order |
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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.
I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him. using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand. as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable. is hf happening on 15th? Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊 The intention of the hacker is to still the money. That is the difference. It is an punishable offence. hmm are we so sure of that ? he/she could have taken all the ether in the doa. he/she wasnt stoped! he/she just stoped after 3.6 mill . if he/she was just after the money why not take all ? i really think that "taker " didnt believe it would be posible to take them so easy and on the way he/she got scruple. absolutely wrong, hacker intent was to steal...and most likely not by draining DAO as they knew they wouldn't be able to actually withdraw, but by causing panic and shorting ether on bitfinex. good point but still we dont know for sure as long as there is no investigation and facts are shown to the public then a trail - judge or jury say guilty or not but not some who might be involved in the cause of the problem i say ether should not do selfjustic we do know for sure there was 3miilion shorted on bitfinex just prior to DAO attack ...a huge interest by any measure. Coincidence, I think not. selfjustice is how the system is designed isn't it. Miners ultimately choose whats in their best interest....its the cornerstone of having a distributed pow blockchain. And if they choose to mead out justice in the form of a HF than so be it. Those who don't like it can rent or buy mining equipment and hash another fork. and then you asume its the attacker but you dont know for sure till there was a investigation. you are right one can choose to rent hashpower. or leave the project and move on. seems like its bailing out the ones too big to fail. |
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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.
I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him. using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand. as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable. is hf happening on 15th? Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊 The intention of the hacker is to still the money. That is the difference. It is an punishable offence. hmm are we so sure of that ? he/she could have taken all the ether in the doa. he/she wasnt stoped! he/she just stoped after 3.6 mill . if he/she was just after the money why not take all ? i really think that "taker " didnt believe it would be posible to take them so easy and on the way he/she got scruple. absolutely wrong, hacker intent was to steal...and most likely not by draining DAO as they knew they wouldn't be able to actually withdraw, but by causing panic and shorting ether on bitfinex. good point but still we dont know for sure as long as there is no investigation and facts are shown to the public then a trail - judge or jury say guilty or not but not some who might be involved in the cause of the problem i say ether should not do selfjustic |
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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.
I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him. using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand. as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable. is hf happening on 15th? Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊 The intention of the hacker is to still the money. That is the difference. It is an punishable offence. hmm are we so sure of that ? he/she could have taken all the ether in the doa. he/she wasnt stoped! he/she just stoped after 3.6 mill . if he/she was just after the money why not take all ? i really think that "taker " didnt believe it would be posible to take them so easy and on the way he/she got scruple. |
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?
Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik? I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail. why? what is the law that he/she broke? I don't think it's so sue him of something... What do you know  ? Thieve hacker should be put in jail  . He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it. If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he siphoned then keeping him from withdrawing his ETH must be illegal, right? Of is this the wild west and anyone can take anyone's ETH without permission because the code allows it? This nonsense about he is entitled to keep the ETH he STOLE and he is not a thief is the bizarre logic of people with some kind of agenda against ETH or a mental illness. If you leave the front door to your house open and invite everyone inside that does not give them the right to take what is not theirs. If the real owners of the ETH stolen say they did not give him permission to take it then their word wins - even if the technology has a logic or programming bug in it. If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he took then let him go to court and sue to keep it and withdraw it. I will guarantee the minute he shows his face and admits he took teh ETH they will slap handcuffs on him. but still stealing back is still stealing couse the devs the miners or the holders are NO JUDGE and we are not the court its selfjustic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a defendent has the right of a lawyer to defend him/she and as far as i know the line as long as not proven guilty an defendant is inocent ? is part of the justice around this world |
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ich spiel mal orakel mitte bis ende august gehts nach oben |
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das blockhalving ist durch und nichts passiert, schon komisch, hatte eigentlich nach der ganzen Lektüre hier auf eine Hausse gehofft, kommt vielleicht noch, wer weiß ?
Was sollte passieren, außer dass der Kurs von 220 auf 780 gepumpt wurde?  Wenn Italien das neue Griechenland wird, könnte man es nochmal als Hype nutzen. https://twitter.com/Livesquawk/status/752513427084611584Wenn wir nur einen Bruchteil des Pokemon Go Hypes hätten, wären wir schon bei $2000 mach uns ein niedliches logo mit grossen augen vl wirds dann was mit dem hype |
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guten morgen! das hier macht mich absolut sprachlos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvwder hammer. das muss man sich ein paar mal hintereinander ansehen. sogar klaus´"red pill- blue pill" matrix analogy wurde benutzt. deloitte ist ein unternehmen mit 35 milliarden umsatz p.a. und 225 000 mitarbeitern weltweit. krass. krass. ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob das ding wirklich komplett anti-bitcoin ist. ist doch gar nicht anti letzter satz macht die augen auf seit mitgestalter und nicht zuschauer find ich sehr pro bitcoin und in jeder der 4 möglichkeiten spielt der bitcoin eine rolle ist also pro |
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just 4 blocks left till halfing
i guess one hour
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