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I can guarantee you that this will contain as many relevant updates as the other threads, and none of the spam. Unfortunately that will make it very short, but what can you do.
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Funny thing is, unless you're colluding with pirate, you've made it harder for him to repay even if he wanted to. There never were 500 000 BTC, so the only way he can get out of it in a way that would let you win is to fear all the real creditors into selling their accounts at a very low price. By letting people hedge you have made that more expensive.
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I notice you've just been paying 1% og .5% pretty much every day lately, instead of some seemingly random number. Did you get bored of pretending that the dividend is based on real income?
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That didn't really answer any of my questions. What's your source? Who got the other 1400?
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Possibly closer to 1500 BTC total, though that obviously doesn't make much difference because...
What's your source? Who got the other 1400? |
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I agree. All the more or less shady financial sites request the same documents to verify their users, so I think the security it provides is minimal. A dishonest employee in any of them could use the copy they have access to to create accounts in all the other sites. You could also just start your own fake exchange site and request the same information to "verify" new users.
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I agree. The only thing that counts against him is that 4 days after he claimed he would start paying people only one guy claims to have seen a petty 100 BTC, but of course that's not important compared to the points you've listed.
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I was much more suspicious about pirate40, because he was offering a virtually unlimited deposit, which is more useful for the ponzi.
I would call 10 million shares@0.1 BTC virtually unlimited. He has said himself that he will sell more shares when the price is above 0.1, and it's easy to see from the dividend list that he does. |
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I'm seeing it almost every day receiving 1% on GBLSE from OBSI.HRPT, for instance, which means that he is making more than that.
And you can see it by yourself if you have a successful strategy of trading.
So basically you're using what appears to be just another ponzi as proof? He's even doing the 'I'm just a middle man' trick that the ponzi guide suggests. It's actually not the 1% that is suspicious. It's the claim that it will scale to the numbers they suggest, and that they will freely give away this gold mine. |
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As we can see, the successful traders ARE actually able to make 1% in bitcoins (or more) a day.
Where do we see this? |
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I will bet you 100 Bitcoins that Matthew will fulfill his end of the deal within 3 weeks after a conclusion. This means that if Matthew wins (pirate pays out) Matthew is done and I get 100 Bitcoins from you. If it is decided that Matthew loses and has to pay you Ƀ250, and he /doesn't/ do so within 3 weeks, I will give you 100 Bitcoins. (The 3 weeks start after it's been decided that Matthew loses. Suggestions on how this should be decided?) We can use a two-sided escrow on this bet if you want to. I've got a decent rating though. I'll bet 1 BTC that BTCurious will honor this bet! |
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The passthrough which were issued as bonds on GBLSE are a good start. Since the shares were sold on a third party platform you know that those are outside funds entered the scheme (not just paper profits).
Unless he bought a lot of them himself to give the illusion of interest. Then he would also be paying interest to himself. |
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NO LEGIT BUSINESS BORROWS AT 7% PER WEEK
According to this message "Everyone on the pro-pirate team says he is pretty rich in USD anyway so he can take some BTC losses or W/E". Is that really true? Then why do they think he would pay a fortune to borrow other peoples money? It's kind of amusing that we're on the 3. day after he should have started paying, and some people still believe they'll get the money. He would have to do some pretty cleaver tricks to get out of this, the only thing I'm certain is that it does not involve paying 300k+ bitcoins. |
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Any calculations on how much have actually been deposited? Using paid interest is meaningless for a ponzi, because there is no backing for the sum that the interest is based on.
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FTFY before somebody complained "Facebook"
Facebook never promised 3000% interest. |
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Think about it. He get's to keep the half million and pays out the 10k to the "told you so"s.
Unless he proves that they can fooled just as easily by not paying. |
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This is pretty clever. He sets up a seemingly obvious scam which probably very few people sends money to, takes huge bets that it will default, and then closes the fund and wins the bets.
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The way I propose to do it to minimize the chance of cheating is that after the money is received, the seller will lock the price by checking it on mtgox and immediately send a message to the buyer. That way the buyer can verify the price at any time by checking the history and know that the seller is not cheating, because by waiting the price could go either way. It is still possible manipulate the price, but that's mainly a problem for large trades.
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+1 Herodes (here and OTC). Received money through bank transfer, no problems.
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