I dont know bout yall but i think betcoin.ag is the best thing online when it comes to online poker and casino.If you want sportsbook action its the best to so many options to bet and take advantage of all the great action. Not only all that but they have a great community to which makes it feel like a awesome lil family.Betcoin.ag is the only place to be for all your online gaming and fun.
Forgot about this one. This was before Andrew knew that any comment he liked was made public (at least partially), even if it was from another Admin discussing how they handled multi accounters.  Also, while I'm here - an unhappy (former) Betcoin HU reg sent me this after he realized Betcoin changed the rake from a 1 or 2 chip cap to infinity... I'm not sure exactly why he chose to multiply everything by 20, there may be a good reason I haven't considered, but every stat is based on what the total rake would be at a HU table after 20 pots before the rake change, and after.  I think it's safe to assume Betcoin either doesn't understand how ridiculous it is to have no cap online, especially HU - or - they are aware of the damage HU Cash games can do to a poker ecosystem and want to get rid of them (this would be a very smart move imo). Rather than simply close the tables, they decided to increase the rake astronomically without bothering to send out an email or some sort of notification - this could easily cost the mid-HS regs enough to fund several freerolls in the future. Can't wait to see what they do next. Well I'm guessing this post was the reason for this:  |
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they are aware of the damage HU Cash games can do to a poker ecosystem and want to get rid of them (this would be a very smart move imo).
Can't wait to see what they do next.
This is exactly correct and the reason many poker websites are eliminating the high stakes heads up tables altogether and though we were urged to do the same, we are testing the option of keeping them which players are still enjoying. The same stakes and higher can be found at 6/9 seat tables with the lower rake and most of these tables will run heads up anyway. And we have some great things coming Twitchy we can assure you of that. 2016 will be a great year for Betcoin and our great players. Good luck everyone. Notice how when these other sites increase the rake, they make sure all the players are aware in advance? That's because they have common sense and integrity. Good luck in 2016 - maybe youll finally find a way to get enough players to get the daily coin to run without overlay or having to give away free tickets. I doubt it though, 20 players is a lot. |
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I dont know bout yall but i think betcoin.ag is the best thing online when it comes to online poker and casino.If you want sportsbook action its the best to so many options to bet and take advantage of all the great action. Not only all that but they have a great community to which makes it feel like a awesome lil family.Betcoin.ag is the only place to be for all your online gaming and fun.
Forgot about this one. This was before Andrew knew that any comment he liked was made public (at least partially), even if it was from another Admin discussing how they handled multi accounters. Also, while I'm here - an unhappy (former) Betcoin HU reg sent me this after he realized Betcoin changed the rake from a 1 or 2 chip cap to infinity... I'm not sure exactly why he chose to multiply everything by 20, there may be a good reason I haven't considered, but every stat is based on what the total rake would be at a HU table after 20 pots before the rake change, and after. I think it's safe to assume Betcoin either doesn't understand how ridiculous it is to have no cap online, especially HU - or - they are aware of the damage HU Cash games can do to a poker ecosystem and want to get rid of them (this would be a very smart move imo). Rather than simply close the tables, they decided to increase the rake astronomically without bothering to send out an email or some sort of notification - this could easily cost the mid-HS regs enough to fund several freerolls in the future. Can't wait to see what they do next. |
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Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
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Was your site provably fair yesterday. (This is a true statement, but not an appropriate response) If we were wrong then we were wrong. |
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We believed our provably fair system was 100%, but after going over dooglus complaints he did have some points. Even know it would be extremely hard to do what he was saying there still is a chance to do what he was saying. But that does not make our system 100% and we don't want to be anything less. So we have now added in a "Client Seed"
We believe we are now at 100%.
I would like to ask dooglus to comment on this new added system.
Wait a minute, you mean you believe you weren't 100% provably fair yesterday? Do you understand that 99.99999% provably fair is the same as undeniably NOT provably fair? Shouldn't you be apologizing to all the people you were not telling the truth to since you opened? |
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Saying "false" seven times doesn't count.  False. Seriously dooglus, give it up. Raffle is out of your league. This whole pushing the boundaries of proveably fair is just a hobby. His bread and butter is the Autopilot Money Making Bot industry. |
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I first want to say i am very impressed on how much time you just spent attempting to make our undeniable provable fair system look any different than it is. You are a highly skilled troll but the end of the day you are still just a troll. People can see you are 100% lying. Lets take this last games hash Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00080000 btc, had a winning chance of 88.89% and made 0.00009899 btc of profit. LUCKY NUMBER: 1747 HASH: 1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022 TOTAL POT: 90000 satoshi now lets take that hash over to blockchain Do you see this? https://blockchain.info/tx/1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022Can you see the time stamp? 2016-01-04 12:09:53 Can you see the time stamp of the game? Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800 Now do you understand how the provably fair works? Or are you going to continue to troll? Dooglus is obviously just jealous of OPs success and wishes he thought of the raffle idea first so he wouldnt be stuck with a silly clam dice site. OP you should challenge all these idiots to some sort of coding/what is provably fair battle , winner gets the others site. All you need is a judge /escrow and a challenge. Yeah its clear they are just here to blow smoke in a attempt to make us look bad, i'm done playing their little troll games. I bet they're all freaking out right now because they finally realized that we aren't shooting dice for clams anymore. What good is something thats proveably fair if anyone can simply deny it? Undeniable Provable Fair or GTFO |
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I first want to say i am very impressed on how much time you just spent attempting to make our undeniable provable fair system look any different than it is. You are a highly skilled troll but the end of the day you are still just a troll. People can see you are 100% lying. Lets take this last games hash Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00080000 btc, had a winning chance of 88.89% and made 0.00009899 btc of profit. LUCKY NUMBER: 1747 HASH: 1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022 TOTAL POT: 90000 satoshi now lets take that hash over to blockchain Do you see this? https://blockchain.info/tx/1cdcc435be42f8c1819d0ad344d79453770c68f7aab53f3fa8d1de2e63635022Can you see the time stamp? 2016-01-04 12:09:53 Can you see the time stamp of the game? Mon Jan 04 2016 12:09:55 GMT-0800 Now do you understand how the provably fair works? Or are you going to continue to troll? Dooglus is obviously just jealous of OPs success and wishes he thought of the raffle idea first so he wouldnt be stuck with a silly clam dice site. OP you should challenge all these idiots to some sort of coding/what is provably fair battle , winner gets the others site. All you need is a judge /escrow and a challenge. |
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LOL...I don't know how sound that reasoning seems to you....but, I don't think it makes much sense.
It doesn't make sense to me why you think anyone is arguing that Betcoin is or is not a part of WPN player pool. Here's the issue: Dooglus said this: This is the first time I've worried about betcoin being a scam. Betcoins Defense included this: Our parent company and owners overlap with BetCris and the WPN and have been in business over 16 years. Customer service can always be improved and will continue to be improved, but we are surprised by your use of the word scam. This got a lot of attention because BetCris is (I think) the biggest sports book in the world with a solid rep since the 80s. (rest of the world just waits for their line usually) Since then, they've probably been asked over 50 times for some sort of clarification, but just pretend they never said it. Maybe there's a good reason for not elaborating and it was just a mistake to mention it in the first place. But they keep coming back with responses like these.... What question(s) do you want answered? There are no difficult questions. We know as we grow you can't please everyone but we certainly try. We continue to experience very good growth in this industry and we are continuing to work on some remarkable improvements at Betcoin. What questions?
You are helping as we can track the clickthroughs coming from bitcointalk and the specific threads they come from.
What specific issues.
We would like to provide a bonus for you to come back in and enjoy the great community, but I guess we need to answer some questions you have? After comments like this, they will just ignore the issue for weeks and then do the whole thing again. EDIT: And inserting extra verbiage and citing it as a quote attributed to me....isn't very fair.
fyp = fixed your post, meaning I changed it to something else. mild trolling - mostly because I was confusing you with ftwbtc for some reason who loves telling a big fats lie about me |
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A reference to logic:
When someone calls my cat a scammer, he claims his father was an American Terrier , American Terriors are canines; therefore, my cat is a canine and how dare you say otherwise.
Compare with:
Betcoin.ag is a member of the WTN, the WTN is a member of the WPN, BetCris is also a member of the WPN; therefore, Betcoin.ag deserves respect because they are working with Betcris and how dare you call them a scammer dooglus!
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Wow....nice! I just looked it up. I learned something today. You know, I asked Phil directly how all the different skins were related but he didn't explain it all that well; he just said that each skin negotiates their own contracts on an individual basis. Thanks. That actually answers a lot of my own questions. So, Betcoin.ag is a part of the WTN and the WTN is a part of the WPN. I believe there's 6 or 7 sites that make up WPN who are actual partners and have been around for over 10 years. (BetCris, 5dimes, BCP, ACR, BetDSI, Bookmaker, True maybe 1 other). In 2014 they started offering a plug in for igt software to anyone who purchased a license to run their own network. They basically just sell them tournament tickets which allows the network to access some of the WPN tournaments. This is directly from the WPN_TD (referring to Betcoin): Unfortunately we cant tell them how to speak or treat their customers. We just provide them with tournaments basically.
I mean, I would never speak to a customer like they do but thats just me.
I just briefly went through the thread that you sent and wow. I am sorry to see that happen to you.
To be honest i am surprised how they spoke to you, i mean i try and speak to players on a personal level but there is cut off point so to speak of what and how.
He still plays on Betcoin all the time, he post here and other places then goes and play on them.
Twitchyseal / OHYEAH logs into Betcoin.ag everyday guys which is great and we welcome him anytime so long as he is not spamming which has been under control. Not to mention the many multi-accounts we had to shut down that also logged in frequently. He has earned a Betcoin Poker PLAYERS CLUB 5 BTC VIP Freeroll ticket to the January 10 tournament and is very welcome to play in this tournament and enjoy playing at Betcoin anytime. We thank everyone for their support and we look forward to making Betcoin exceptional for all of you in 2016. Unless there's someone out there impersonating a scammer - iGambleBTC = Rozay/LCDaboss/iSmoke/ogklutch/mrbluntz Well known scammer for years in several online poker communities. Begs for loans, stakes, anything really - he repays a some of his debts occasionally if he thinks it will help him get more, gambles till broke, lies about his debts as long as someone might buy it, then disappears for a couple weeks, returns with sob story looking for sympathy, repeats pattern. Been going on for years. I call him out every time he pops up somewhere begging for something, and will continue to do so. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=39664210&postcount=2405http://www.pokerowned.com/forums/f26/poke-staking-lcdaboss-acr-8-7-13-a-20857.html#post292982 https://www.betcoin.ag/rozay-failure-pay-back-stolen-bitcoin plenty more out there, google
Twitchyseal / OHYEAH logs into Betcoin.ag everyday guys which is great and we welcome him anytime so long as he is not spamming which has been under control. Not to mention the many multi-accounts we had to shut down that also logged in frequently. He has earned a Betcoin Poker PLAYERS CLUB 5 BTC VIP Freeroll ticket to the January 10 tournament and is very welcome to play in this tournament and enjoy playing at Betcoin anytime. We thank everyone for their support and we look forward to making Betcoin exceptional for all of you in 2016.
Very professional Betcoin. I wasn't banned for spamming. I was banned for bringing up legitimate issues that you refuse to address to this day. Ignoring me didnt work. Trolling me didn't work. Seems like now the plan is to just discredit me by making up whatever bullshit you think you can get people to believe. This will also fail. I'm not giving up. Why not just admit what eventually everyone will know you do, and put a little effort into making 2016 a little less scummy for everyone. Just for the record, I have made multiple accounts to chat with. I'm not exactly proud of it, but they were used for chatting and that's it. I have never played a hand of poker on your site on any account other than my own (TwitchySeal/OHYEAH) The following is from a post by Betcoin William you can find HERE He posted it about 2 weeks ago, but I just saw it recently. OHYEAH hasn't been banned for nearly two weeks and has been playing almost daily in the casino. OHYEAH was banned for spamming and even he said he should be banned publicly. He also, had other accounts which he played during the ban which take a lot of time to track. Don't be fooled by what someone says and what you do not know. OHYEAH was active yesterday. Like the post above, it's mostly lies. But let's pretend it is true. So Betcoin bans me for spamming - during the ban I multi account and keep playing - why the fuck would they just unban me out of the blue, put multiple daily coin and freeroll tickets in my account, and not bother to ask me to stop multi accounting. Now back to reality: I basically stopped playing on betcoin the third week of October, but I can say with confidence that I have not played a hand of poker on Betcoin since November. On any account. ZERO. I believe I played under 200 hands of cash, and maybe 4 tournaments in November. Two of them being freerolls while I was ip banned and account disabled - just to prove a point that they aren't even competent at banning players when they try. I was averaging over 130 mtts/month for several months before that at Betcoin. (Overall I played over 3500 online mtts and 375k hands of cash in 2015 if anyone cares) When I was first able to log into my betcoin account after ban, I immediately exchanged all my betcoin points and withdrew ~60 chips or so. later i realized I still had a few in the poker balance, transfered them to the casino and just shot them off. Wait a minute, this doesn't matter. Betcoin is lying, that's my point. If anyone really cares, ill post screen shots of my logs. Anyway, this has inspired me to give myself deadline. By next saturday night I will start a new thread somewhere with a comprehensive OP breaking down each issue and organizing all the evidence I have so that it's all in the same place. |
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So you thought they had stopped posting in this thread because of you   LOL.. Now they come back with paid for post deal for Legendary Members getting tickets to 5btc Freeroll for posting 15 favorable posts..  LOL...they are not going away as I told you. Although it may look as if you are getting some traction on powerfraudalert.com site, I remind that those people posting there go along for the ride on every complaint posted.... what I want to know if where is the proof that you said you were working on?  Seems to me they are going to outwit and outlast you with all the money being thrown around. Good luck with your crusade...but remember money talks...it looks as if you are alone in this crusade of yours. Why are you making this "TwitchySeal Vs wwwin" ? At first we seemed to be on the same page as far as Betcoin acting scummy - you just thought I was wasting my time trying to make change. Now you're mostly trolling/personally attacking me and pointing out only positive things about Betcoin - as if free roll or any other promo could justify over charging anyone, allowing a single cheater to keep money/keep account etc. As for the proof you're waiting on, it's coming, but most of it won't be anything I haven't already said. It's just most of the issues are complicated, when you see everything in one place, easier to understand, you will appreciate my efforts. There are a couple things I hope to be able to share but can't yet, and I promise not to do that scummy tease thing I just did anymore. PS How can they have 81 player collusion pool when they average less than half of that in players logged in, according to pokerscout. Are the colluders colluding against each other? So if they banned all colluders they would not have any players left?  I don't know. It's a screen shot of support communicating with each other unaware it would be made public. Why don't you ask them?
He still plays on Betcoin all the time, he post here and other places then goes and play on them.
This is a lie. My last Betcoin WPN MTT was mid October. SharkScopeI played maybe one or two daily coins and 100-200 hands of cash in early November before they banned me, none since. But even if you were telling the truth, so what? Why are you lying about me?
Yes, it looks as if the guy had his IP address prior to accepting the skype request, because he reset the router before that. I have no idea how he got his IP. It would be the IP of the computer connected to the internet that twichy was using while playing.
Okay, now I understand why he is so pissed. I'd be a little bent out of shape too. But, do you think his anger is a bit misplaced....I mean, what are the remedies for such an attack and how much can the site be held responsible? We first need to know how this worldpeace guy got twichy's IP in the first place. I think twichy is pissed in part b/c the betcoin rep only asked if worldpeace had apologize to him, as if that would solve the problem of being blocked from playing in 2 tourneys and some cash games.
I AM NOT PISSED AT ANYONE BUT MYSELF THAT THIS HAPPENED. IT'S MY FAULT I DIDN'T SECURE MY IP.I also think of all the issues, it's one of the smallest. The only reason I've brought it up here, on 2p2 and PFA is because it serves as a very good example of Betcoin handling an issue that started off as not their fault at all - very very poorly. I was cheated, it sucked but it was my fault. I told Betcoin about it so they could stop him from cheating others. Paul responded in one sentence asking me if he apologized and then pretended like I didn't exist every time I've asked them about it since. Betcoin Original Thread OHYEAH on July 17th, 2015
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Disclaimer: I am not blaming betcoin for this issue.
I'm making this post to raise awareness that this kind of thing can happen and how it can be avoided. I also want to make sure as many people as possible know what a piece of shit worldpeace is, and hope to see his account banned.
PFA Thread: Betcoins reaction to player DoS attack/Extortion Attempt
(I am victim in this example and I am NOT claiming it's anyones responsibility but my own to secure my IP. The reason I'm including this is because I think Betcoins response was irresponsible and likely encouraged him to do it again to someone else)
We first need to know how this worldpeace guy got twichy's IP in the first place. I think twichy is pissed in part b/c the betcoin rep only asked if worldpeace had apologized to him, as if that would solve the problem of being blocked from playing in the middle of 2 tourneys and some cash games. That response from the rep makes no sense.
I would like to apologize to twichy. I now think he is trying to do the right thing. No need to apologize. Really the worldpeace ddos thing is a very small piece of the big picture here. Everything is a very small issue compared to the big picture of the way they running things. So Just PLEASE when I make the new thread (I don't even know where it's going to be but you won't miss it ) READ IT. I know right now it's all hard to understand the way its spread out and I am a noob at explaining things like this but it's surprisingly difficult. |
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Did you forget to address all of the serious issues that remain unresolved? Or did you just think we would forget? http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-GaloreWhat is the point of having a thread like this if every time someone asks a difficult question you spam the same 3 posts on top of it to hide the difficult question?
Please either answer the questions or explicitly admit that you don't want to answer them. Repeatedly spamming the same out-of-date information about tournaments that already finished is annoying, ugly, and rude.
I still have ~ 3 dozen support tickets that date back as far as 9 months ago that are still open and unresolved and ~ 1 dozen of which have never even been replied to.
What is your login name? You can even PM us, but we are nearly 100% certain you will not provide it here or in pm because what you write simply is not true. Perhaps he doesn't want to be treated the way you treated me? In any case, if you are looking for unresolved tickets - I have a couple for you! (there are several more, but since you disabled my account - I can't access them)   Here's another I have just the text for (add 50 days to each "x" days ago): OHYEAH on September 1st, 2015 Hi, I’ve been tracking my buyins pretty closely throughout last month, and I’m pretty sure that I’m not being credited any Status or Betcoin points for WPN tournaments. I seem to be getting credited for cash games and betcoin tournaments very precisely, but 0 for anything on WPN both before and after the update. I can’t get exact values because all of my casino play I don’t have tracked. Before I put any more effort into it, could you let me know if I should be getting credit? And if so, can you easily calculate how much I’m missing? I can’t get exact values to prove I never got credit for any because all of my casino play I don’t have tracked, but I think it’s likely. If that is a tedious process for you, I could probably figure it out in about 15-20 minutes as I have every hand and tournament summary Ive played in my pokertracker database. I believe I would be Gold VIP at this point if the points were being credited properly. Thanks! COMMENTS 11 Comments OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I know you guys are busy,1 month 1 week ago I know you guys are busy, bumping so this doesnt get forgotten. 0 reply Betcoin William's picture Betcoin William: OHYEAH, we have confirmed1 month 1 week ago OHYEAH, we have confirmed that your getting points for the tournaments you play and your account is accurate. Let's both watch it daily and then report back on Tuesday and we will be able to show you the accuracy in detail. Perhaps you should list out your tournaments and buyins with a screenshot and then put the data into this ticket on Tuesday. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Thanks for looking into this,1 month 1 week ago Thanks for looking into this, I will definitely take a much closer look. Quick question to make it easier for me though. Are WPN tournament status/betcoin points programmed to update daily between 6 and 7am EST (along with the points from rake at cash games)? Or are the updated sporatically throughout the day ? 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Hi,1 week 2 days ago Hi, I was very busy for the last few weeks, and this has taken a lot of effort for me to go through all the logs and decipher the status point payments, something thats very tedious and easy to put off. I am absolutely certain that i have not received well over half of the status points and rake back I should have at least as far back as July - likely since I first started. If need be, I will put together, a detailed report to show without a doubt I am not being paid - that would take me a lot of time though due to the lack of Betcoin -> WPN Tournament Records. I am mostly not getting paid for the bigger buyin events. I havent received any status points or rakeback on a single $215 or $530 mtt since July, for those tournaments alone, I paid almost $300 in rake! So just on those 14 tournaments, I was shorted about 6000 status points and around 400 chips in rake back. I believe I can prove that in total I have been shorted much much more than those figures, but calculating the vip level value is tricky. Anyway just wanted to throw all this out there and hopefully work something out that doesn't involve many hours of crunching numbers in excel and gathering screen shots. 0 reply Betcoin Andrew's picture Betcoin Andrew: We welcome you to crunch1 week 2 days ago We welcome you to crunch numbers because we are absolutely certain your VIP numbers are correct. The payouts are done when the tournament finishes and not on the day it starts you should note and tickets do not count towards it. What day in particular are you referring to so that I can show you that it is working properly. There have been a few players that come in here making these claims and then we take the time to show them very clearly that everything is accurate. We have many players that play regularly now and if it wasn't accurate, you would hear from them all. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Wait a minute, you're telling1 week 2 days ago Wait a minute, you're telling me nobody is receiving VIP benefits for tournaments they entered via satellite? Is this intentional, or a programming oversite? This is a very big deal, you're effectively reducing the value of every satellite by several %, on a site with an aggressive/necessary satellite schedule. I hope this was just an over site in programming and not something Betcoin is going to attempt to defend. I dont want this to be a big deal, but we have to work something out for the past and future to make things right. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I satellite into every $109+1 week 2 days ago I satellite into every $109+ tourney I play and often $50+ as well, sometimes a few times, so at least we cleared up we've figured out one issue. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: I have confirmed that 5dimes,1 week 1 day ago I have confirmed that 5dimes, ACR and BCP all payout rakeback / loyalty rewards the same whether you are entered through a satellite or buyin directly. I havent confirmed it, but I think it's extremely likely that betcoin is the only site on the WPN network that considers tournaments entered through a satellite any differently than bought in with cash. I've been playing online since 2003 and do not know of any other site that has ever had this policy. I've been here since March. Just since July I know this has cost me well over 9800 in status points, and $125 in rakeback by simply estimating how many $109, $215 and $530 tournaments I've played in that period. Those figures dont include all the $55 and $60 tournaments or from March-June or the compound value loss by being a lower VIP for longer. Please let me know how you guys feel. 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Tourneys entered via satellite dont receive RB or Points1 week 8 hours ago I know you guys are busy, but I'd appreciate even a short answer as to whether or not this is a mistake you'd like to fix or a decision you stand by. Even if satellites aren't counted, I'm still missing a LOT of rakeback. - 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: final bump6 days 14 hours ago final bump 0 reply OHYEAH's picture OHYEAH: Will you please answer? 3 days 13 hours ago Will you please answer? |
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If you're confused about that number, you can go back and dig through this wreck of a thread over the last 6 weeks or so, or you can wait for me to finish organizing the scam accusation.
Yeah go ahead and spend the Holidays on your misguided witch hunt, while everyone is having fun with the family. Ouch. Good one. Whats with the personal insults? Feel free to pm me if there's something I've done to piss you off on a personal level, it seems like we have more history than I'm aware of. |
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I have a small question,
I have in my wallet - "Poker Bonus Chips: XX"
How can I release it?
Thanks.
Did you mean withdraw it? If that is there is a withdraw button in your wallet near to p2p transfer you can click on it. OR if you want to convert it to play chip you can do it also by clicking transfer You can't withdraw poker bonus chips, you have to release them. "bonus chips will be released into the player account at 15% of rake and tournament fees" It doesn't pay out accurately though. (for exampla: In about 30k hands ive paid over 3BTC in cash game rake plus over $1500 usd in WPN rake, but I've only released 0.396 BTC bonus chips.) The last player Iknow of who tried to explain to them that they were not receiving what they were told they would (username: GirlScout) ended up getting "complain shamed" in chat by either william or paul(how can you complain when the rake is so low and the withdraw times are so fast?!?), they were also banned for a bit after posting about it on this forum.
they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something.
I would much rather them have an active presence, admit their mistakes and misdeeds, and work to correct them. Them closing up shop and ignoring even basic questions is a Very Bad Sign. @Darkdays I suppose accomplishment isn't the right word. I agree it would be better if they maintained an active presence. I think them leaving is a sign that we are making an impact. There is no excuse for their actions and it seems as if they are not yet willing to "admit their mistakes and misdeeds, and work to correct them" Maybe one day they will, maybe not. Theyve done a good job at getting players to just stfu in the past, but failed here and imo only did more damage trying with all the lies. I'm not done though, dont worry everyone Have plans to bring even more attention to the scummy things betcoin has done, is doing and likely will continue to do. @Xaio Having chatted with admin many times it seems that a lot of things are being blown out of proportion. They can easily payout multiple ,000,000 guaranteed tournaments in crypto, so it doesn't seem to be about the money. Im not surprised they told you it's not a big deal. I don't think they think it's a big deal either. I'm trying to blow things into proportion and I don't think were there yet. Getting closer though. Nobody is claiming they cant payout tournaments. You think a casino should be trusted because they have a lot of money? Do you trust them more than any of the mega casinos around the world which are highly regulated? They all have tons of money and have all been caught stealing money from players one way or another. To clarify, my only point is that your "their owners have a lot of money so they would obviously never steal" is weak. they have handed out so much in freebies to all of us (Free Spin Fridays, old surprise box, freerolls, handouts, etc) they were upset that the same players that received the freebies are now irate over some minor poker issues. At the end of the day, the Poker room is improving and still hold the best rewards They could give 1000 chips to every player every day for a month and it wouldn't make it ok for them to steal - even a little bit! It also wouldn't give them the right to keep anything they "unintentionally took". I think the only reason you are suggesting what they are doing is ok is because they are making you money and you don't really even know wtf is going on. Low rake, freerolls, handout, freebies should be red flags, not justification, when discussing the ethics of a business. They are not fixing their mistakes, they are bribing those who noticed and complained.Also, for the record, we aren't just talking about a few chips. We're talking about over 100 BTC since last Feb. If you're confused about that number, you can go back and dig through this wreck of a thread over the last 6 weeks or so, or you can wait for me to finish organizing the scam accusation. |
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Okay, yes! The soft player field is a dream! However, I truly would like to see the site succeed so I would not ignore unethical behavior....incompetent, maybe....but not unethical.
So what would you call ignoring valid questions that are being asked by legit members of the community? To the point where they ABANDON THEIR OWN THREAD! They were asked to clarify something they said about their "parent company"...ignored. The fact that they have been illegally overraking hundreds of players over the course of a month was brought to their attention...ignored. At what point, to you, do these activities and inactions cross over to the "unethical" area? I think is silly to ask them to post in a public forum the name of the parent company when you consider the current online poker landscape, the fact that they allow players from every state, the fact that they also have sports betting and casinos games and the fact that criminal charges brought against Micon of former Seals with Clubs, which did not even offer Sports betting nor Casino games, which do not enjoy the DOJ opinion letter regarding online poker and that applies only to online poker. Are you people retarted??? This is an unregulated site with a miniscule player base with an Antigua domain. It is what it is, take it or leave So no further comment on on why you think i should give up attempting to hold them accountable for their decisions? by the way I agree it's probably not a great idea to reveal who actually owns them, but they made the comment naming WPN and betcris in an attempt to gain trust from players, and I think it's very likely they are exaggerating reality at best and possibly straight up lying. they've given up on this forum, so we are accomplishing something. |
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The new rake structure works very well for me with the rakeback I get and my referrals now sending me some actual bitcoin that warrants spending some money to advertise for. Also overall still far better than any fiat website. Do you know if there are plans for any 10 btc freerolls? Haven't seen that in awhile.
I'm pretty sure there will be more freerolls! Take care! When they accidentally took 14 Bitcoin for the BBJP when it didn't actually exist, they used it for a freeroll instead of returning it to the players. (You can read about that here.)Theyve admitted to using the money they confiscated from cheaters for a freeroll promotion instead of returning it to the victims. (you can read about that here)Perhaps they will use the money that should be paid back directly to the players from taking too much rake for over a month. Its probably well over 10 BTC. Maybe youll get a 20 BTC freeroll or more! |
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two days before the promotion even started, I checked the terms & condition of the Christmas raffle page(yes, in case you didn't know, this page is up 2 days before the promotion even started) Wait a second. Did you check the terms the day the promotion started? If they put something up 2 days early, then change it before the start, it's even more of a who cares.
But if they changed the rules between 2 days before and the start, you should of jusst said "ahh damn" and moved on.if I was actually trying to abuse the system, I wouldn't deposit 5 times a total of 204 mbtc. 5 deposit of 3 mbtc each would do the trick, wouldn't it? So logically, if beforehand I knew that they have made a mistake in their terms & condition page, and if I was trying to abuse it, why on earth would I risk losing nearly $100USD (204mbtc) instead of just $5USD, to abuse 5 tickets that doesn't guarantee me any wins? You were gonna deposit around 200 mbtc anyway bc you wanted to play?
You deposited the tiny deposits to get extra tickets.
There's nothing wrong with trying to get extra tickets. You wanted to win, just like any other gambler would. Making extra deposits of a few mbtcs in hopes of getting extra tickets is perfectly logical and ethical.First, no, I wasn't trying to gain 'extra' tickets or 'extra' advantages wtf? |
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This casino blackjack is set up wrong.
In rules dealer must hit Soft 17.
Dealer does not know true meaning of soft 17.
If Dealer is hitting for example 16 Ten + Six and receive an Ace for its next card the dealer will draw again. This is not definition of soft 17. This is dealer hitting a hard 17. I'm not sure if is advantage for player or house because dealer will bust many time hitting hard 17 but time against me dealer hit the hard 17 to 21 and beat my 20.
Soft 17 means when Dealer start with any Ace in their hand not when after they have drawn an Ace to make 17 do they not get to hit again.
This is serious flaw in their blackjack game and should be fixed immediately. Seem like amateur set up their blackjack game who did not know rules.
dealer can draw an ace for soft 17, if the ace counts as 11 and the total is 17 it's soft. T6A is a hard 17 though. if they are hitting H 17 every time they draw ace it's gotta give player decent bump in ev |
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