I'm 5btc deep in this bitch
Amateur... If anyone is left holding the bag, it's gonna be me... ;-) 5btc? pft... I've got more money in DRK than most of you paid for your cars... :-p I have to buy it. I sure won't be mining it, lol! I don't think someone who bought BTC at $4 can ever refer to himself as a bagholder. ;P |
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R9 290 (Sapphire Tri-X) 2600 kH/s Core: 1070 Memory: 1500 -I 20 -w 256 --lookup-gap 2 --thread-concurrency 24550 --gpu-powertune 20 6970 (Gigabyte Windforce) 1630 kH/s Core: 970 Memory: 1400 -I 20 -w 256 --lookup-gap 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 --gpu-powertune 20 i7 2600K CPU, Stock 3.4 GHz 380 kH/s I have two of each of the GPUS. Sadly... all around my 8.8 MH/s gets me only 10 DRK/day in this new difficulty and I wasn't around in the early, early days. Profitability's crap, but I'm too lazy to mine and dump something else and I like the temperatures. |
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won't sending multiple transactions to your self bloat the blockchain?
Are you talking about denominate? It's just one transaction and it takes your whole wallet and converts the inputs into DarkSend compatible inputs. Say for example you have 123DRK, it would create ONE transaction that allowed you to DarkSend 9 times. Then you would need to run it again when you ran out of compatible inputs. Can that be turned into a button or something? I think it's ... well, more frightening than anything, for a "normal" person to issue commands in the debug console. Also, they'd have to remember the word (I've forgotten it, LOL, had to do a -help and go through the list) a warning could come up if they no longer have their funds properly denominated, and it can just say, please push the denominate button etc... +1... Everything that is not automated, is a "coin weakness" that a clone can use to improve upon. This can be used in a number of ways. For example: If DarkSend is implemented but it's "hard to use" a clone can come up and make it "easy to use". If DarkSend is the only layer of anonymity, a clone can come up and say "we offer both DarkSend and IP obfuscation" If DarkSend works only by the client being online, a clone can come up and say "we fixed the offline functionality, the user can issue the command and close the client or experience a power shutdown - knowing that the money will be transferred safely". ...if you want to be the leading anonymous cryptocurrency, you must already incorporate the improvements that others will be willing to make, in order to eliminate their "market" from the get go. Because, ultimately, a shitclone is as good as the answer to the question of "what is it that you provide that the others do not?" This is spot on. There isn't a "good enough". The privacy aspect needs to be taken as far as possible. |
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Yeah, I'm a cheap date... after posting that I just transferred 2.5 btc into Cryptsy. Prepare for a bump in a few confirms, i'm taking this fucker to 15000
Aw man, and here I am waiting for my BTC delivery again.  Oh well, I'm just gonna keep buying daily. High, low, doesn't matter. It'll all look like noise in a year or two. |
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I think more useful would be the ability to also send small, twitter-sized messages instead of just transactions via darksend. Imagine that you could combine a transaction with a message or something like that. Hash the characters together and send it like a transaction, and all of a sudden, you have a really well encrypted, anonymous message system that overlays on an existing network.
This compromises anonymity (unless the message is utterly generic, in which case there's no reason to send it). You could argue that it's one person voluntarily compromising his/her own anonymity but because of the way DarkSend works, they're chipping away at the anonymity of everyone else involved in the mixing. I don't think you get it, the message would be encrypted with the coin or address or something, so that when the receiver gets the coin, they can see who it came from and why or whatever short message you want to send, a purchase order reminder, etc... Certainly the person receiving the message should know why the money arrived, just not the rest of the world! Oh, I see. Hmm.. so how would the implementation work? As far as I understand, DarkSend is not just a trick -- the transactions really do get mixed up in the intermediate pool before being split up to be sent to the receivers. So any message must also get lost if the coins are fungible, right? |
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I've been thinking...
Something just doesn't add up with the Armory using Darkcoin. There is absolutely no way any legit darknet site would use Darksend while it is still closed source.
What am I missing?
That homeland security run the armoury? Rofl.. Exactly what I was thinking. Just imagine the logistics. Read the interview... The Silk Road model just can't work with guns. The Armory has to be a front. It's not even close to possible. I've been in the LEGAL weapons business for my whole life. If there were a way to skirt the law on it, I'd do it! I'm all about giving back what the government unjustly takes. But there's no way you can mail guns around and not be detected. Utterly ridiculous. The only people who would bother to try are complete idiots, and people who work for the state so they know it'll get there and they catch the buyer... You think you're hiding a gun on an x-ray? Or the obvious pattern of a box of ammo? STEEL and LEAD show up on X-Rays more than anything you can find! There's not a damn thing you can do to block it or disguise it. There is absolutely no way! I would never even consider doing it because I know it can't work! Guns that are smuggled are done knowingly with people on the inside being paid to look the other way. That's how it's done because it's the only way that has any hope of working. And that costs way more money than I have, and way more money than the prices on that site reflect. It doesn't add up. The only way a illegal arms service like that could work is if they were manufacturing their own designs inside the destination countries, which they are clearly not doing, and openly declare they are not doing. The price points and variety give it away. It can't be real. It's shipped in parts. Lots of assembly required to get working weapons. See: http://gizmodo.com/5927379/the-secret-online-weapons-store-thatll-sell-anyone-anythingAlthough the last one closed down due to lack of low volume. High risk -> high costs -> cheaper to do it locally. |
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It's the most natural currency for other Darknet markets also, including Silk Road 2.0 (and whatever follows 2.0). The black market is a market, too.  |
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I think more useful would be the ability to also send small, twitter-sized messages instead of just transactions via darksend. Imagine that you could combine a transaction with a message or something like that. Hash the characters together and send it like a transaction, and all of a sudden, you have a really well encrypted, anonymous message system that overlays on an existing network.
This compromises anonymity (unless the message is utterly generic, in which case there's no reason to send it). You could argue that it's one person voluntarily compromising his/her own anonymity but because of the way DarkSend works, they're chipping away at the anonymity of everyone else involved in the mixing. |
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I am so amazed by how easily you guys get influenced by Media's fake reports. Most of the attacks in rural areas are carried out by Fake Talibans backed by USA. I am living in Pakistan and am well aware of the situation here. You guys don't know what exactly is happening here. If we talk about Afghanistan then America is the one who wanted to dictate there. But when Talibans fought back and killed lots of their soldiers they gave them the name of terrorists. If defenders are called terrorists then I am proud of Talibans. My friend USA is the real terrorist. They want to control everything. And you will see this happening with BTC soon.
Heh, conspiracy theories are the national religion of Pakistan. Proof right here. Compared to talking about conspiracies, Islam is just something they do on the side. |
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We are now approaching the 10GH/s network mark. Seems as though a lot of people are finally realising the potential of this coin  Except the value is going down... Yup, currently top scrypts deliver approximately 20% more value, which is too far from equilibrium to sustain itself. Something's gonna change. Personally, I'm too lazy do anything but mine DRK and buy DRK. Constantly paying attention to profitability takes up too much attention. |
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I'll invest, but each instance of airdropping needs to kill at least 10. Can you deliver?
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The plan is to open source it, just not while it is in development.
In the long run*, open sourcing is not optional. It's not about crypto-culture or political leanings. This is real money we're talking about, but without the force of courts or the peace of mind from insurance. If anyone wants to transact big amounts where anonymity is critical, they'll want something open source even if they themselves can't understand code. * And I think the "long run" needs to be a lot shorter than some people are imagining. Think 10-20% of LTC market cap, not $100 per coin. At that point, DRK should be more or less un-catchable. |
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At the risk of sounding cheeky, but for general community moral.....could a tor user possibly give us all a screen shot please. It really sounds like a genuine milestone and a picture speaks thousand words.
 Less Lethal (0). LOL. These people certainly have their priorities. |
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A lot of clone coins seem to do well above what one would expect before stagnating eventually. The pattern I see is that they have a very clean, professional looking first post that looks like it came from a Silicon Valley startup plus translations in several languages (especially Mandarin and Russian) plus a whole bunch of bounties. Of course, bounties = premine = bullshit. We'll have to work off donations and pro bono work. By the way, the DarkSend image in the OP still needs to be fixed. User 2 or 5 should have 80 DRK, not 20. We wouldn't want a newbie to come in and think the DRK network just swallows up coins randomly.  |
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(1) 'Gravity Well' to an extent.
(2) Being first to the market always has an advantage just like bitcoin. Especially if the DRK dev team is leading the development of P2P Darksend.
(1) I'm not talking about multipools. Taking advantage of difficulty is something entirely different. Although now that I think about it, the lower power consumption is already built into price parity so the point really only applies to mining farms that pay very large electricity costs (e.g. European levels). My own view was screwy because I don't pay for electricity so I wasn't thinking about it. (2) Time frames have shortened considerably. Prior to Dec. 2013, being first meant being the only one for months or even over a year. Now a new clone coin comes around every hour. First to market means less. |
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DRK has two big issues that I see: (1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low. (2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm. For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect. So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. |
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Top 6  1. Coin2(C2) 738 (12.7%) 2. Coinye coin 731 (12.6%) 3. Particle 344 (5.9%) 4. Billioncoin 342 (5.9%) 5. Darkcoin 333 (5.6%)5 6. QuickQuickCoin 279 (4.8%) 6 7. Smart Coin 276 (4.8%) You guys sure don't know how to count. Lol, so the winners by a wide margin are: 1. Coin2(C2) - A coin that was 97.5% premined and given away for free in the name of fairness. All of them are looking to dump immediately because they have nothing to lose. Price will be 1 satoshi in minutes. 2. Coinye coin - Why is this still around? Wannabe Doge, except even less funny. |
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this coin has a bright future. if only diff wasnt so high I would gladly mine it.
I've got crap for mining, and I'm still getting about $1 per day (about a coin/day) Also true, this is one of the few coins you can still mine with CPU. Sure a GPU is maybe 5x faster, but that's better than most coins which GPU kills CPU big time. For those wondering, it's about 3x as effective with a CPU (relative to GPU) when compared with scrypt. For example, for scrypt I get 42 kH/s and 2600 kH/s with my CPU and 4 GPUs. For DRK I get 350 kH/s and 8000 kH/s respectively with the same setup. SHHHHHH It could help us. Some people are looking for a CPU coin to mine and dump on the side while GPU mining their favorite coin. In the process they might get interested in actually staying with DRK. |
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this coin has a bright future. if only diff wasnt so high I would gladly mine it.
I've got crap for mining, and I'm still getting about $1 per day (about a coin/day) Also true, this is one of the few coins you can still mine with CPU. Sure a GPU is maybe 5x faster, but that's better than most coins which GPU kills CPU big time. For those wondering, it's about 3x as effective with a CPU (relative to GPU) when compared with scrypt. For example, for scrypt I get 42 kH/s and 2600 kH/s with my CPU and 4 GPUs. For DRK I get 350 kH/s and 8000 kH/s respectively with the same setup. |
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