so now hes' wanted for resisting arrest too? This guy is an idiot. |
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Actually anonymous is only doing this because it's funny to pick on stupid people. Frankly if they thought bitcoin and it's users were stupid enough they would most likely ddos this site too.
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This is communism, I thought the FSP was against that on principle.
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oh wait it's because you foolishly made multiple copies of this exact thread with the same title and content and everything, which is bound to cause confusion.
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I'm an American. The American democracy is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible (even what you do with your sex organs). American politicians stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (CNN, ABC), a single party that is often marked by personality cultism (Republocrats or Demopublican - doesn't matter, they're all the same), control over the economy (unless we make a new one), regulation and restriction of speech (too numerous to list), mass surveillance (Department of Homeland Security), and widespread use of terror (FBI - can you say "Waco"!).
Unfortunately, this is also the Wikipedia definition of Totalitarianism. I don't know if democracy is preferable to the alternatives. I've never lived in a democracy - what's that like?
yeah you're right it must be like nazi germany over there, people being rounded up for their beliefs, dudes being shot in the streets for speaking up against the state, neighbours snitching on neighbours to avoid being carted off to the death camps, food, drink and labour being rationed off and completely state controlled while everyone works for less than it is possible to live on. Wait no! it's not like that at all!! You're just too stupid to realise a good situation and compare it to a bad one. No, I'm a former Branch Davidian. Please don't kill us and set fire to our homes. / No, I'm Rosa Parks. Can I please sit in the front of the bus? / No, I'm a student at Kent State. Can I put a flower in your gun before you shoot me? / No, I'm a Guantanamo prisoner with no criminal history. Please don't hold me for years without a trial. / No, I'm a detainee at Abu Ghraib. Please don't strip me naked and beat me. / No, I'm George W. Bush and I think Waterboarding prisoners ain't no torture. / No, I'm John H. Gass. Has anybody seen my Drivers License? / No, I'm an American citizen living outside the United States. Please don't kill me with an Extrajudicial Drone. / No, I'm a pot smoker in America. Please don't spray paraquat on Mexican pot farms even if you don't mind killing Mexicans because I'm smoking it here. / No, I'm a solder in Vietnam. Please don't use Agent Orange. I don't want to be sick if I get to go home. / No, I'm a homeless person. Please stop making nuclear weapons material. That Superfund money could be used to feed me and 1.56 million other people like me. / No, I'm a citizen of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Please don't be the only country in the world that has used a nuclear bomb on human beings TWICE. / No, I'm a Desert Storm soldier. Please don't experiment with bioweapons and give me Gulf War Syndrome. / No, I'm a CDC employee. My boss told me those 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles that were given an "experimental" measles vaccine signed a waver of consent! / No, I'm Dr. Garth Nicolson. Maybe it's ok to test biological agents on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections. / No, I'm Troy Davis. Oh My GOD! He was a cop. I'm fucked. No, I know you, your the fuckin idiot that hides his head in the sand, lets his government shit on people and then defends it. Wake the fuck up dude and read a newspaper once in a while. I forgot how all these happen to average americans on a daily basis. Your country being pretty reprehensible in terms of their foreign policy doesn't mean that it's a shit country to live in. |
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nuclear industry is killing everything
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If i'm not mistaken, coal plants put out more radioactivity than nuclear plants; and the deathcount attributed to energy sources other than nuclear are way bigger... yep, coal is directly and indirectly attributed to more deaths than nuclear power has ever been. Oh also, Mods please don't delete my posts, I posted one in here and now it is gone because apparently you did not agree with my point that he didn't read the ToS or paypal about them being allowed to recoup losses incurred by fraud that is commited against you but whatever |
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It's different to stand on a public sidewalk and protest to standing inside a privately owned building run by the government.
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I'm an American. The American democracy is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible (even what you do with your sex organs). American politicians stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (CNN, ABC), a single party that is often marked by personality cultism (Republocrats or Demopublican - doesn't matter, they're all the same), control over the economy (unless we make a new one), regulation and restriction of speech (too numerous to list), mass surveillance (Department of Homeland Security), and widespread use of terror (FBI - can you say "Waco"!).
Unfortunately, this is also the Wikipedia definition of Totalitarianism. I don't know if democracy is preferable to the alternatives. I've never lived in a democracy - what's that like?
yeah you're right it must be like nazi germany over there, people being rounded up for their beliefs, dudes being shot in the streets for speaking up against the state, neighbours snitching on neighbours to avoid being carted off to the death camps, food, drink and labour being rationed off and completely state controlled while everyone works for less than it is possible to live on. Wait no! it's not like that at all!! You're just too stupid to realise a good situation and compare it to a bad one. |
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DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Alternative system offered which would be fairer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46130.0This isn't an alternative system it's a democratic choice where in addition you can buy more votes and untracably bribe voters, which makes it a terrible fucking system since the person with the most money will invariably win, or at least do far far better. Additionally the addition of a "time element" is just stupid and dumb. All it does is prolongs the results of a legitimate vote (if 51% of people voted for something that means the majority of people wanted it, hth) for no obvious reason, which just makes governing by that system both inefficient and stupid. inefficient I don't think you want a system to be completely, 100% fair. But I'll have to think about that... sometimes, the best thing for society isn't what is fair.
Regardless, a republic is the best system a government can use. A true democracy would allow media to control the government - they could sway the people however they wanted just by publicizing garbage.
so what you're saying is that because the media can influence people the system itself is at fault? That's a terrible argument, since it's not democracy or the voting system at fault but some other, third party. Oh also, a republic is a type of democracy, Infact, the US is already Federal Republic, and most EU countries are a parliamentary republic. |
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DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
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You do realise a cheering entrance to anything is a complete moot point because people who like a particular candidate will travel from across the country to cheer for them.
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This is why fire services are generally mandatory. Paying a flat fee per fire doesn't work (because the fire service can't guarantee it's income for a year and hence stay solvent enough to actualy put out fires). Fires effect everyone, at essentially random, at that.
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ehh, i'm little confused by your contradictory context. Government is the word that describes a set of rules that is agreed upon by groups of persons. We are the government being majority and we enforce our rules on to the smaller groups. You say bitcoin is not government and that democratic governments are the problem after which you describe bitcoin system  That's why Satoshi warned us that this system, as good as it is, has a flaw from our point of view. If someday an entity or another group of people hashes away blocks few percents faster than we do then they make the rules, democracy at it's best. A private association is not a government. If you can stop being part of a "system" is not a government. If a private association decides to have a "democratic" governance thats fine. If you dont like it you can leave and join another one more of your liking, creating a new one or even go alone. In a democracy you have to obey the rules imposed by the people that can manipulate the masses. You can not choose to be part of the system or associate in a different way with other people you choose. This second case is evil and the one I oppose. If a private association wants to govern themselves as a "democracy" I have no problem. Was that more understandable? But you can already do this. If you don't like your countries governance becuase you're in the (by definition) minority that didn't get what they want, move somewhere else. |
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FirstAscent stop the crap. You just want to get to power because you are a sociopath that want to mandate the lives of other people and profit from it. All the goody goody language does not fool anyone.
Oh I'm sorry I thought this forum was covered by free speech laws |
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Do you live in a country that creates its own currency? And your Government also has 'debt'? And you think this 'debt' is evil, that it must be paid back using tax revenues ? Well I'm sorry to inform you, but you have been the victim of a very effective propaganda campaign. A country that creates its own currency will never have an inability to pay back its national debt. Has your country been experiencing economic growth in the last decade or so ? And have also been experiencing inflation ? I'm sure that you understand one of the basic rules of economics, that for an inflation to occur then the currency base must be expanding? Then if your experiencing inflation and economic growth, then someone somewhere is pumping a heap of money into your economy. Who? your Treasury is, Government Debt functions like money. So when your national debt is increasing, the monetary base of your economy is expanding. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MG27Dj02.htmlinflation occurs essentially becuase more worth is created in a country and needs money to be available for it. |
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"bitcoin: it lost 25% of it's value overnight but I guarantee it's going up up up"
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Wrong. That's exactly what you want to avoid.
There was also the part about each new member of the group requires a vote by everyone else. So if your group does not want you to have more than one share they can just vote against you getting another share. If they want more money coming in and like your ideas, then they may allow it. That would be up to each group. You forget that people tend towards greed. A system where someone with the most money can buy all the votes they want is a bad system. |
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hint: natural monopolies such as water, power and gas are generally better run by the government since they're marginally more accountable than a corporation doing it (see: turned out the 6 largest british gas providers were in collusion with eachother to put up gas prices by 30% for the sake of earning more money).
As for fire services and suchlike I'd rather have the government running the fire service as a non-profit than have a company using it to get all the money they can. It's that sorta attitude that leads to a load of firemen standing outside your house going "awfully flammable building this. could go up like a bonfire with just one dropped cigerette butt, know what I'm saying?"
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democracy is working = bitcoin > 51% voters make the law  You confuse cooperation with democracy. Democracy is a form of government. Democratic governments have a monopoly on force thru majority rule. They tax and so forth. Bitcoin doesn't resemble that in the least. You are free to contribute or refrain from participating. Bitcoin doesn't levy taxes and enforces no law. It has rules, not unlike a board game. It can't take your property and it can't imprison you. At the most, it might impose some form of contract, which depending on whether you breach it or not, you could be prosecuted in the geographical political climate in which you may have committed the "crime". Bit of a stretch it would seem. hehe i don't want to start a debate but democracy is by definition the cooperation between the largest group of persons... by def. bitcoin = democracy "Democracy is a form of government in which all people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law... " wikiif don't accept the rules of the majority you can fork the chain and go your own way, nice feature of this system if you ask me Indeed, a democracy doesn't work if everyone is an entitled prick whos argument is basically "WELL MY CHOICE OF X DIDN'T WIN THAT MEANS IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ME", while failing to provide a better choice that attempts to cater to everyone as well. |
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From this thread all I've managed to gather is that "if there was a 2:1 ratio of murderers to civilians then all the civilians will be exterminated by a majority vote" or something  It's a metaphor. Change "murderers" to "thieves" and you'll get a better idea of the reason why democracy tends towards socialism, as everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. If this was indeed the case why isn't every country a socialist utopia. |
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