No it is simply a reset. It is sadly required to start a NEW path that can not be corrupted.

This is a NEW shift to create an environment where all persons now and in the future are treated fairly and equally.

Don't blame theymos. BLAME EVERY DT WEAK ASS PIECE OF CORRUPT SHIT that did not reverse these abuses when they could have done but rather doubled down on this abuse. Theymos tried to create previously something fair. He gave WARNING AFTER WARNING AFTER WARNIGN AFTER WARNING  RED TRUST IS FOR FUCKING SCAMMERS , you all ignored this. You either all abused the trust system or supported those that did. If you are not going to reverse peoples abuse you are allowing them to do it. Would you stand there and allow an adult to abuse a child in front of you?? saying well I don't support it but you know....I'm not interested in what that adult is doing really, not my business.

How many times must theymos ask, tell, beg and scream red trust should be used only for scammers???

These changes are here because DT's made them essential.

We see you as one of the more fairer and better ones mikey. You will see the new system is going to be WAY WAY WAY  better long term.

Stop worrying so much about saying the MOST GREEDY and MOST STUPID from themselves. Start worrying about pushing forward the adoption of this decentralized trustless end to end arena we want to see built here for the future.

People need to see the bigger picture here. You guys playing whack a mole with 1000 small time scumbags is equal to about a 10th of one huge ICO scam that you can never stop because none of you have the tech chops to demonstrate the white paper is bunk and even if you could demonstrate it is not going to solve all btc's issues you would not stop the MOST GREEDY and MOST STUPID wanting to invest in it.

Free speech and educating people what this forum is about not stopping people getting robbed by themselves. People must learn you don't get a 500 bucks gift card for 20 bucks from a new person on the internets for this new magic money that does not come back once you send it.

Get flagging all that you can and the rest will get busted along the way. However, there is now a procedure to complete, this is for the long term good of the board.

Don't be short sighted here. THEYMOS has perhaps realized you need to build things on STRONG FOUNDATIONS. You need scammers to be REAL SCAMMERS to give them a scam tag else the entire thing become meaningless and people start abusing more and more until the tool to stop scammers becomes a tool for scammers to silence whistle blowers.

Your 1000 2 bit scammers will take about 0.001% of what gox did or any big ICO that raised 100's millions that will fade away to page 20 cmc and never be heard of again but those devs will be back on page one with a new ico under a new name. Only a handful of people here have the tech chops to recognize them or stop them. Even then the most greedy would still insist on investing

Stop believing average joes with a dt badge are making such a big difference in the grand scale. You are only fooling yourselves. To believe that is worth crushing free speech is madness.

REMEMBER ALL DT members are responsible for these changes should have taken heed of the abuse and put a stop to it.. I am sure theymos did not want the extra fucking hassle of coding it all out for the fun of it.  

Theymos was being KIND to lauda here. He has given lauda enough fucking warnings about trust abuse. Lauda has started saying he is the master and theymos is the student. He will NOT obey these rules... etc etc. Theymos should just have bitch slapped that scammer out of DT rather than trying to give him an exit of dignity just getting excluded out.

Suchmoon trying to spin it as some devious and sneaky move has revealed herself now. She will do ANYTHING to retain lauda in DT adding to the very possible explanation that lauda is suchmoon.  Either that or she has demonstrated some MAJOR double standards here.

Only in a clown world would the owner of this forum ALLOW proven scammers like you to use his trust system to facilitate and hide your own scamming actions by giving red trust to whistle blowers.

You and your gang are living in the clown world. You surround yourself with beta gimps like Laudas Feltching Clown  and smarmacist and the other bunch of corrupt weak gimps.

I hope he handles it by blacklisting you. There is no place on DT for a PROVEN LIAR AND SCAMMER. Even if you were not using red trust to silence people presenting observable instances of  your prior lying and scamming you just should not be there.

The best part is suchslob has revealed herself as a back stabbing piece of shit now too. Or is that your alt lauda? she seems to risk it all to keep your account with some power??

We see no back tracking on theymos's part we see someone simply realizing now that he really did let a gang of backstabbing ,scamming, lying, extorting scum nearly take over this board.

Let's hope he blacklists the lot of you dirt bags.  ONLY those willing to work with transparent and fair rules that treat each person equally are welcome here.

Meta board means NOTHING is a tiny tiny tiny subset of this board, most devs and true supporters of this movement never even visit this shit hole meta.  Of course meta board will cry when their gravy train just got shoved off the tracks. Keep crying bitch.

Remember this you scamming piece of shit??


once you try and scam people you do not go back, you said once you were new and that was a mistake. a true legend once said to you " that is fine lauda it's never too late to leave the dark for the light"   but you were just lying you never left you just moved on to darker things. no more chances you're done.

You nearly once contributed to getting btc knocked off top position. Lucky a real legend was there to stop you

You totally demonstrated the prior system needed an upgrade by using red trust to facilitate your own scamming.

When people who have OBSERVABLY scammed in the past like you have start giving scam tags to the people that outed you as a lying scammer back then, simply for daring to mention it then you know change was coming fool.

You have demonstrated nothing. Nobody cares about your vocal dissent. We will crush you down every time you try to bully theymos to bend to your scamming and extorting ways.

You are a SCAMMER do you not get that. Who cares what you and your scamming crew of scum say. Fuck off.

Please tell me your username on all other platforms we will be there with the PROOF you are a scammer and piece of shit to demonstrate to people you are not worth listening too.

Stop threatening theymos in public you look foolish. PROVEN Scammers are going to speak out against theymos for pushing out fair and transparent rules that ensure all persons are treated equally. ....LOL ohhh noooo

and then lauda said : theymos stopped me using red trust to silence whistle blowers presenting observable instances of my lying and scamming.....hahaha


Whilst lauda was holding a nice bag of these instamined coins..

Lauda again believing he is more in charge here than theymos.  Get this proven scammer blacklisted before it can do more damage.

What back tracking?? I don't see any. Let's hope he just blacklists you straight out after likely trying to allow you some dignity to be naturally voted off.  Still will look better when you are bitchslapped completely out and blacklisted by the forum owner.

Do you really think lauda gives one fuck about anything that happend before to you tec?  he is trying to garner some spin here for his own ends


Theymos has eventually demonstrated he WANTS to provide the standards you were requesting. Let's not fuck it up at this stage.

This is a huge step forward in satoshi's end goal. Every person is treated equally and fairly according to a set of transparent RULES.

This is what the trust system should be. You can prove or demonstrate strongly someone is a scammer then they get a scam tag. Anyone who wants to use red trust for their OWN purposes or to silence whistle blowing have NO place in positions of trust.

Wrong EVERYONE is satisfied except the DT members that were enjoying being able to use red trust as their own personal weapon for their own means.

Since those parasitic swine are the most vocal in meta you relying on a very bogus metric. I see MOST of those that are NOT GANG members are VERY HAPPY.

Anyone who wants a fair set of transparent rules where every member must be treated equally is happy. Those that were enjoying being part of the self appointed DT crew that all cream off the top sig spots, escrowing positions, campaign manager slots, all red trusting people who dare raise observable events from their past they want to remain hidden are obviously not going to be happy.

Both sides ? there are only 2 types of member.

1. Those that want transparent and fair rules that ensure all members are treated equally.

2. AND THOSE THAT DO NOT.


You are a proven liar and scammer. Who gives one fuck what you think lauda. You were a liar and scammer when you came here. You are a liar and scammer now.

The mere notion of you being in a position of trust is quite ludicrous.

Oh becoming very accommodating now are we not lauda worm tongue. You STATED  you will not work within these new rules, you said he can change the rules or black list you. He was likely trying to be NICE to you rather than outright bitch slap you with a black list in public for us all to gloat over.

Suchslob has just demonstrated clearly that

1. she will not only include you on dt after she knows you lied and scammed
2. she win not only include you on dt and not reverse your trust abuse when you use red trust to hide and facilitate your own scamming
3. she will now try and stab theymos in the back and make him look bad for trying to usher you out of the back door leaving you with some dignity in the hope this now makes you untouchable

she should be blacklisted herself, she is now making a mockery of the trust system by giving lauda POSITIVE trust because she says lauda must have told her the truth atleast once.

She is deliberately not co operating and supporting her pal/alt lauda who is trying to give theymos the big fuck off again.

Get both dirt bags blacklisted.

What is suchmoon claiming has happened now?

Theymos dared to try and save lauda public humiliation of being blacklisted by asking a back stabbing scum bag and possible alt of lauda - suchmoon to exclude the trust abusing lying scamming piece of shit lauda? better to just straight up black list this piece of shit and lauda together. They will NEVER play fair with the rest of the board.

Suchmoon has been shown PROOF lauda is a liar and scammer, suchmoon has been shown lauda will use red trust to facilitate his own scamming by trying to silence whistle blowers. She has not done the right thing then. She will never do the right thing in the future. Blacklist them both and ANYONE else who REFUSES to stop with the trust abuse or will support those that do trust abuse.

If suchmoon is trying to spin this into something "positive" in laudas favor then we suchmoon just revealed how far she will go to protect that proven liar, scammer and trust abuser.

LOL at least Theymos can see what an EXCELLENT member suchscumbag is now. The true colors are revealed. She will do anything to keep her gang in power.

Just BLACKLIST every DT member that will not abide by the rules. Let's drain this swamp.

Of course meta board will try to reject anything that removes their ability to game this board and cream off the power and money.

Suchmoon needs to be forced to answer in public some VERY STRAIGHT questions. 

So now you confess to trolling. This is good.

Bitcoincasino.com will need to decide if you stay on the campaign or not. We will be contacting them shortly to ask them if they are happy with the false accusations and threats of trust abuse you seem to be making.

Present the information that we have presented that you can clearly demonstrate is incorrect.

Bitcoincasino.com and hhampuz need to ensure that you do not damage the reputation of projects by seemingly threatening people and making false accusations.

All other offtopic talk and speculation not directly related to the initial post has been removed.

Your concern as previous explained on suchmoons thread in detail are invalid.

THE ENTIRE REASON to sideline the old trash feedback as simply FEEDBACK that people need to read and research is done for a reason.
There is no point making the score neutral if you are going to still make it glow red.

What part of IF THEY ARE A CONFIRMED SCAMMER THEY WILL GET A RED WARNING are you missing.

Do the people here even understand how it will work before voicing concerns.

Making it glow red defeats the purpose of having the flags system.

Right now it is simple

RED = SCAMMER

you are wanting

RED = SCAMMER  AND RED = NON SCAMMER WHO PRESENTED OBSERVABLE INSTANCES OF OTHER PEOPLE SCAMMING.

this is counter productive and makes the entire thing more confusing and  ALMOST pointless.

Now voice your rebuttal OR accept your concerns are invalid.

Perhaps a notice saying READ THE FEEDBACK so people can read it and research it themselves rather than seeing red = scammer for a NON SCAMMER.

Those are legitimate questions in response to trolling and false accusations and personal attacks.

1 what has he achieved
2 he is trolling, he is making false claims that he fails to substantiate.

Looks like some general name calling (more than deserved after attacking us with false accusations and making false claims and trolling)

hard for you to understand isn't it.

Now go and find some FALSE CLAIMS AND THREATS TO TRUST ABUSE PEOPLE we have made. Also are we associated with any project at this time?

Start to see the difference.

Actually he will be getting a similar thread soon if he keeps trolling and repeating false accusations directly related to actions that are "supposed " to have taken place on this board.

Have a think about the differences then come back.

Whilst you're here present some examples of the trolling and watch the false accusations or your project will need to be protected from you in the same manner.

@hhampuz do you see us concentrating on your projects and trying to get you pushed out ? no because that would not be so hard as you imagine. So obviously we notice you are a main lauda supporter and that does not bode well. Why would a campaign manager want to be backing the actions of a PROVEN scammer?

Also we notice you support vod doxxing OG. Another bad move.

You refuse to be transparent with regard your selection process and hide behind gamed metrics.

You apparently took 0.5btc that was not yours? not sure on that one as we have not looked at it closely.

Having said that we noted you have paid out people fairly and not openly scammed afaik.  Therefore why not become transparent, fair and treat all members equally ? that is the biggest concern.

This thing about you connecting bitcoincasino.com with members like cabalism13 who seemingly make threats of trust abuse , and make repetitive false accusations against members after failing many times to present evidence when called.......so is in effect spreading lies. This is worry but perhaps something for bitcoincasino.com  to deal with themselves when this thread is on page one of google when people research into them.

Perhaps tell cabalism to stop making threats of trust abuse and making fale accusations and lying about people. Stick to making claims about actions on this board specifically that he can present observable instances to demonstrate are true and not just lies and bullshit he spreads whilst trolling.

So you approve of threats to trust abuse and trolling and false accusations?  Add that to your other compilation of observable instances of shady behavior of refusing to be transparent with your campaign selections, supporting the doxing of forum treasurers etc.

Perhaps campaigns like bitcoincasino.com  need to consider if they are hiring the correct campaign managers??

I mean if you do not mind them being associated with threats of trust abuse and trolling and false accusations then perhaps you are not doing your best for them.

Poor bitcoincasino.com. Let's await the project owners input in the coming weeks as we keep this thread updated.

-10000000000 if you read them all and red tags given for whistle blowing should be RED why is that? surely it should be green?

what is a score if the numbers are meaningless?

how is a whistle blower  presenting observable instances a danger to people more than any person with a neutral score exactly?

You present observable instances that a DT member has scammed and for that you get a lot of DTs give you a negative score? that makes you a danger financially to members ? what is this logic?

That would be pretty confusing to newbies really i mean... people who warn others about scammers are a danger and are glowing red? so now red is kind of confusing isn't it?

Why we just dont go with the flags and call the rest subjective feedback that has no scoring weight and just you read it to see if the person called you an asshole once, or said your breath smells, or presented observable instances of scamming.

WAS NOT ABOUT ME? the fucking picture is our account?

So you failed to present any scamming or anything even related to scamming but decided our account should glow red to newbies to alert them I am financially a danger and will scam them??

attacking you without reason??

Thanks now they mean nothing (as they always did because any idiot like you can make false claims and not even need to substantiate them for their own ends) it just demonstrates it is fantastic that the new system MAKES PEOPLE PRESENT EVIDENCE OF SCAMMING before applying a scam tag. Not just say oh this person should be glowing red and a danger to scam people with ZERO EVIDENCE.

Yeah listen to JJ so you get black listed for adding scam flags to someone you have not been able to demonstrate was a scammer.

Wrong. once they are given a scam FLAG there will be a big warning like before.

Before NON SCAMMERS and SCAMMERS were both given this warning, which is obviously MUCH MORE confusing.

Now ONLY CONFIRMED SCAMMERS get the SCAMMER warning.

Hope that has helped clear it up.

So now a newbie reads... warning this person is a scammer. He can say to himself this person is a scammer. He does not have to say I wonder if they are a scammer or a whistle blower that reported a scammer.

This entire movement is based on transparency. They can respond here or take action or just let the the thread grow as I find more instances of the constant and repetitive presentations of false accusations and negative trolling that he can not substantiate.

This will be the MO now for all persons that make claims regarding a members behavior specifically on this board but are unable to substantiate or present the instances that demonstrate they are telling the truth.

Trolling and lying must be prevented by projects with regard their advertisers. They surely to not want to be sponsoring liars, trolls, false accusers and those that seem to be making threats of trust abuse. We hope bitcoincasino.com will be taking action sooner rather than later or that cabalism13 stops trolling, making false accusations and seemingly threatening trust abuse.

I am not worried about the campaign rules. We are worried about how his actions negatively reflect upon the project.

People spreading observably false information on a regular basis even when they fail to substantiate it when called on are lying/trolling. Would you want your project associated with liars and those making threats to commit trust abuse if that is what he is insinuating . He can do this with no sponsor. His actions should not have a negative impact upon their investment and others who are promoting the project in good faith.

This member cabalism13

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387


Is posting more trolling and apparent threats to other members.

His latest posts contain threats which seem to suggest he is going give non scammers a scam flag, and claiming he wishes they no longer exist?

This person needs to be removed from the bitcoincasino.com  campaign

He is constantly presenting  FALSE information and making False accusations even after they have been debunked. This is trolling.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153526.msg51441004#msg51441004

We request the campaign manager for that project or the project owner remove him or stop sponsoring this threatening and trolling.

Is BITCOINCASINO.COM allowing this knowingly or are they unaware. They may reply here to discuss.

We will keep the thread updated with his posts that are observably threatening or where he is repeating false accusations.

We will be focusing specifically on bitcoincasino.com and the kinds of persons they allow to spam and spread false accusations whilst they are sponsoring them to do so.

Removal of those constantly posting accusations that they can not substantiate when they specifically refer to a persons behavior on this forum is trolling and lying. If you say it has happen on this board then prove it. If you can not then you should stop repeating it once you have been called on it and failed to substantiate it.

This thread and it content can be removed if suitable efforts are made by cabalism13 to stop proliferating false information and trolling or bitcoincasino.com remove him from the campaign.

Yes indeed this orange should be removed.

Present some evidence of scamming or make it green.

Examples of flagrant trust abuse like what happened to our account is an example of the NEED for a new fair and transparent sytem.

Thanks for raising our particular issue.  This should be green not orange.  

Our service of presenting observable instances of scamming and lying by DT members at the risk of our own account is more than the rest of the weasel board attempted. (except a handful)

Unless you can provide some example of scamming you want to present here.

I know you are likely thick a shit. But can you bring some specific examples and your explanation why we should confuse new users with red when the actions of presenting observable instances of wrong doing by dt members should be GREEN.

Bring your argument here fool so we can tear it apart.

We would like to know

1. How presenting observable instances of wrong doing by DT members makes us high risk
2. How deleting accusations about forum treasures after the 3rd time the same accusation is made without presentation of evidence.

I can see no other valid reasons or links there.

I mean i see a few lashings out from Laudas Feltching CLown  crying that we correctly presented many times his admission he is scared of THEM and will do what they say so he can have an easy time here.

I mean I can not see 1 valid tag there. I see lots of LIES and corrupt bullshit like you are trying to proliferate.

Who are you anyway shit stain? what have you achieved here ever? just look like some ass feltching alt  trolling the board with observably incorrect garbage.

We await your explanation.

So you are NOT ABLE to demonstrate any instances of scamming but wish to tell lies and make up stories. Sounds like fun you are having there.

Even beginners are likely not as low functioning as you and will research the feedback themselves.

Moronpigschnoz - lol - come at me bro.

We asked you to present a specific instance of scamming. YOU FAILED. Well done you're a FAILURE. Keep going though, it is amusing. We like attention, keep bringing it our way. nom nom nom.



Now enough derailing. We want to talk about the new transparent and much fairer trust system that has been introduced. No listen to your crying, lying and trolling.

@bones if people are not smart enough to be cautious with a brand new account what do you suggest? sorry, i thought you were talking about someone with a scam flag.

anyway what do you mean if can you provide an example of what you are envisioning?

a newbie comes into a thread they did not start and does what exactly. Describe the exact scenario so we can see what you are talking about. Do you mean a newbie comes to the thread that is not previously flagged a scammer but has some negative remarks? and makes some 10 bucks for 500 bucks gift card offer? or something else?


I mean obviously a lot of 2 bit scammers and chancers are going to need flags added where there is a clear case of scamming, but then again FFS if you are a member here handing over bitcoins do some of your OWN DD read the feedback also.

As I have said we have to balance the lowest functioning and most greedy losing some micro btc dust against the entire boards free speech being eroded.  Any problems that pop up are NOT theymos's fault here. THIS IS DUE TO PEOPLE TRUST ABUSING AND CREATING THE NEED FOR CHANGE.

People do need to be forced to do their OWN research before throwing their btc at strangers on the internets. I mean they are aware btc is not reversible right?

Even where there is a loss of 2 and a gain of 200 . You still gained 198 net right. We are all clear on this.

If someone wants to risk their 20 bucks bitcoin to get a 500 bucks amazon gift card from a newbie account, then that is there choice. That was their parents job to tell them that is a risky proposition. I don't feel the entire boards free speech and ability to present observable instances without fear of their account being ruined is a fair price to pay, by any stretch of the imagination.

Actually it is NOT just laudas fault it is your fault bones, it is suchmoons fault it is every DT that did not reverse blatant abuse that had nothing to do with being a scammer. If you had all used the trust system as he initially designed it then it would not have required changes. You were ALL told it was for scammers and those you could provide STRONG case were scammers or intending to scam. None of you listened and continued to brand anyone as scammers for any reason you liked or supported those that were doing so. No person stood against them. Except once ACTMYNAME who is more reasonable although he does selectively like to lecture people who are not gang members and ignore their very same behaviors from gang members,  and at least he does remain civil most of the time. Mikeywith also did try to be as fair as he could without putting his own account up for enemy status. You bones were not the worst, but still it was quite clear you were not going to reverse any of the blatant abuse.

Now the changes are here make sure you all use this system as theymos  has told you it is to be used or get blacklisted. Simple.


LOOK at lafu here crying -- FORGETS TO MENTION the old system didn't just stop the HUGE EXIT SCAM from cryptopia did, it you insider weasel. Where was the old system there??? THE BIGGEST AND BEST SCAMS WILL NEVER GIVE YOU A WARNING BEFORE THEY GO.  They directly or indirectly use the trust system to SCAM BIGGER.

Lafu worked with cryptopia -- where were your warning flags for that exit scam . Perhaps people trusted cryptopia because you had it in your sig mr DT1  I want to warn people about scammer and scams. LOL. Perhaps the trust system of any kind INCREASES the chances for BIG SCAMS?

The old system never stopped the BIG SCAMS so stop pretending it did.

The BIGGEST scams here are the convincing ALTS with whitepapers 99.99% of this board don't understand. They will all erode to dust and be forgotten after sucking BILLIONS of dollars from average joes here. Stop worrying about mr $500 bucks gift cards for 20 bucks. Focus on the HUGE scams that are ruining 1000's of investors at a time and spoiling the entire crypto environment.  They can be tackled on thread or with the use of other threads.