Oh really, let me get some quotes here for you then to explain and tell us how this is NOT anywhere near as bad as scenario 1-3 above.

This will be fun.













Hmm so all of that is NOT blackmail/extortion  but scenarios 1-3 are blackmail/extortion.

LOL  you have turned a thread which started to be a LEGAL combined effort to get funds back for everyone INTO a thread where you buy the debts for 1 satoshi and then EXTORT the debtor to pay YOU back and if he does then WHAT YOU WILL NOT GIVE THE DOX to the investigators???

SO if you get paid their money you will not turn over his information to the investigators??

WTF this is extortion for your own clear selfish financial reward you scamming little wretch.

And yet you and the ENTIRE DT say that if alice has her phone stolen by bob and alice says to bob  " give my phone back bob or I will report you to the police"  or " give my phone back bob or I will tell other people you have stolen my phone"

THEN SHE IS A BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST??

hahahah default trust - the most shady bunch of cunts in the entire universe.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123646.0

Love how that scumbag scammer supporter steamtyme ( fellow dt mutual inclusion and merit cycler with tman and chipmixer spammer) is confirming in the above thread that ALICE is a blackmailer for making tit for tat threats but in this thread  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53226032#msg53226032

and later in that thread that these are NOT Threats tman is making and it is not blackmail or extortion.

Sounds a bit like what tman and lauda were working on here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

This is how these double standards enforcing scammers are still entrenched in DT. They simply ensure their ardent scammer supporting pals are in DT with them to protect them and push through their double standards unhindered.

If that does not work then they roll out front man suchmoron to derail or just make a fool of her fat self to try and slobber out a lot of garbage that falls to bits with any probing.  Before it runs away crying we are back on ignore for being too crazy and nasty.


Where is SS... this is going to come down to a reversing the meaning of words to their opposite defense I think haha

NO because it is not a reputation based thread.

It is a clear guide for people to use when determining BLACKMAIL or EXTORTION as per DT actions/opinions.

More scenarios can be added as we go along.

Whos reputation would it be under?? the entire boards reputation as we add more examples of BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION that deserve red trust and flagging.

Why don't we move all those " MY TRIP TO LEGENDARY" to reputation they are not even system wide/ board wide applicable they are merely an account of one persons asslicking journey. Pulling themselves along the gutter by their tongues toward chipmixer riches LOL

Actually most of the crap here in meta is far LESS meta board material than this clear guide and chance for DT members to give their clear insight into BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION with regards negative trust and flagging.

Got it now?

Where is YOGG that other scammers supporting scum sucker to give tman red trust for blackmail and extortion.??  Let's hear his bullshit explanation of why he is not going to give his DT mutual include, merit cycling pal and fortunejack spammer a negative trust now??

LOL what an off topic bunch of adhominem speculative derailing garbage.

Sorry, pointing out clear and undeniable double standards and your pals undeniable scamming and YOUR OWN scammer supporting does not indicated PROOF of instability or being a lunatic.

Looks just like some kind of ad hominem attack to derail the thread and avoid tackling the clear double standards.

Stand behind your low functioning spew moron. Where is the PROOF in the initial post ?? NOWHERE that is where.

You clearly supported scammers and on top of that tried your best to get a real legend banned.  Then wonder why some people may QUESTION your actions here. LOL  Then PRETEND the member attacked you for saying he should not have red trust haha

Now here you are spamming chipmixer with your corrupt colluding scumbag pals.

NOW THEN which part of the initial post do you wish to debate or are you just going to hide behind your ad hominem attacks ??

Watch suchmoon run away or claim we are back on ignore for the 100th time.

Your posts are absolute garbage with zero substance that will stand up to scrutiny. If you are not self debunking, running away from your own challenges or just generally spewing moronic crap you are supporting scammers and trying to get real honest and useful members punished. Oh that is if you are not stabbing THEYMOS in the back claiming he is sneaky and heavy handed by asking you to exclude a proven scammer and trust abuser from default trust.

Now back on topic please we are debating here BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION as clearly described in the initial post.

For those wondering what qualifies as extortion and blackmail according to DT members. I will provide a few handy scenarios.


SCENARIO 1

1. cryptohunter was attacked in his own thread by LAUDA who randomly claimed cryptohunter was a liar. Cryptohunter asks lauda to present the evidence of the LIES. Lauda refuses.

Lauda then comes and repeats the accusations that cryptohunter is a liar. Cryptohunter says produce the evidence of the lies. Lauda refuses and simply states it again. Cryptohunter then says if you call me a liar again without evidence we will encourage people to review your own post history and they will see who is the liar here.

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  Lauda gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.



SCENARIO 2

2. cryptohunter presents quotes of laudas post histories where he lied.

Tman comes along and claims cryptohunter  has blackmailed and extorted lauda and gives CH more red trust.

Cryptohunter says to TMAN - you can not give red trust for presenting a facts based post.

Tman replies " I can I will and I just have"

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  TMAN gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.


SCENARIO 3

3. Cryptohunter tells Tman to remove the trust abuse (that he has clearly admitted he has given red trust for a FACTS based post) or else he will be sure to make sure people know this was clearly TRUST ABUSE.

YOGG comes along and BOOM CLAIMS THIS IS BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION and gives cryptohunter red trust.

Cryptohunter say to yogg this is like someone stealing your phone and you telling them to return it or else you will report them to the police.

Yogg says yes that would be extortion and be wrong.


ALL DT agrees with this and all confirm the red trust is fine and deserving.  Here we see steamtyme ( a tman asslicker) agreeing that ALICE telling bob to return her phone or she will call the cops is BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION




NOW WHAT HAPPENS??  start reading here

SCENARIO 4 - the non threatening, non blackmailing, non extortion totally fine and okay way to do things

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53220286#msg53220286

TMAN comes in and buys a "debt" from LoyceV for 1 satoshi. Then straight away starts threatening to DOXX or seems to be implying in this thread that he will do far more to the " apparent" debtor that dox him. TMan says if this "apparent" debtor does not pay him $650 dollars in a few days he will dox him, and some other threats in PM to him and now seems to be making all kinds of threats.

I mean not only is this clearly financially motivated like his other extortion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

It is totally selfish, I mean he is claiming he will release the dox if he does not get HIS 1 satoshi to $650 bucks convertion ... so what he will not turn this information over if he is paid $650?? what about the other fucking people that were " apparently" scammed or not paid out??

That threat started as an attempt at a legal combined effort to get funds back for everyone. Now tman says he will buy all the debts and will extort the guy to paying him back?? actually I forgot...those are not threats, not blackmail and not extortion because it is DT member and different rules apply to them. DOUBLE STANDARDS.


This is BULLSHIT they use the trust system to punish those that whistle blow on their scamming and prior extorting, by claiming you are extorting them LOL then they go around REALLY extorting people for clear selfishly motivated financial gain.

WHAT IS WORSE is the scumbags like steamtyme and the other scammer supporters that have WEASELED their way on to DT with the COMPLIMENTARY CHIPMIXER supporting and colluding with them to fully entrench them on default trust. All enabled, sanctioned and rewarded by the bogus merit=trust system.


So the guide to defining Extortion and blackmail with regards red trust is clear.

You can not say you will encourage people to review a persons post history (who falsely accuses you of lying over and over) to find out the truth about them ..that = EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL

You can not say you will make sure people know the truth that a DT member admitted trust abusing your facts based post if they do not remove that trust abuse = EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL

You can say you will dox people and PM them other threats unless they pay $650 bucks for something you just bought for 1 satoshi = NOT a threat, NOT extortion nor blackmail.

Or if you get caught making threats unless people pay you money or btc ... you always have the old " under cover agents" get out.
Or if that does not work call in SS for the reverse the meaning of words defense.

More guides will be produces as and when we feel the need to keep the board updated with the latest views and attitudes of our honest and upstanding DT members.

Really but you have no issue with apparently lauda keeping the coins from his 3000bch escrowing debacle. Sounds like some double standards does it not??  was this not very similar behavior from your pal and fellow DT mutual include, fellow scammer and fellow trust abuser?

Are you pissed off at lauda " apparently lauda did this to those he was escrowing for at the time??

Depending when the BB were dumped it would have been a considerable sum. It  was trading at one stage at 0.1 btc per GB of BB. So he could have given a bit back to the board if this is not just speculation and is something that 100% happened.

I don't think it is sensible to leave free coins there for the taking but on the other hand some should be given back to the board perhaps. Then again if theymos does not want them or not bothered fair enough.

Maybe just claimed the BB but did nothing with them.

I think best to wait to hear what OG says before we build up a frenzy and witch hunt.

Shut up snake, your double standards are clear.


But tman saying give me the $650 ( i just purchased for 1 satoshi) or else I dox you or now that I know your address...bla bla

IS NOT a threat nor blackmailing. Not tit for tat at all... stfu

Welcome to your posts being scrutinized daily and CORRECTED whenever I feel like it. Scammer supporter.

Do you have Tman on your trust includes by any chance... are they mutual? how many merits do you scumbags share??

This is clear extortion for financial gain.

LOL at alice the blackmailer/extortionist and TMAN clearly not the blackmailer/extortionist.

Tman has been caught out extorting people before and using the THREAT of red trust to silence whistle blowing on his scamming pals.

Imagine beinga tman assfeltcher just for some chipmixer btc dust. What a pathetic loser you are.

Now that we see you are not just fully retarded and are truly convinced that alice was a blackmailer but rather were just playing the retard to protect your scamming pals as evident clearly now from your latest defense of tmans extortion/blackmail then your posts are going to require a lot more attention so that we can help and educate you young grasshopper.

This post again is not to be confused with ANY KIND OF SUPPORT for the betking guy if he really has a responsibility to pay people out and has not done so. This is purely a clear example of extortion under tman/yogg/lauda/steamtyme and EVERY OTHER DT that did not dispute lauda/tman/yogg/owlcatz claims that CH was extorting and blackmailing lauda by claiming if lauda called him a liar again without producing evidence then he would encourage people to review laudas post history to find out the truth about lauda and see if he himself is a liar.

DT = scum bags that will do or say anything for their own financial gain.

TMAN  says... " imagine what would happen if you scammed me"  LOL  I bet that got him trembling and paying up haha

Tman turning this thread from a LEGAL combined effort to reclaim the funds for everyone INTO tman buying the apparent debts for 1 satoshi each and then extorting the member into paying HIM the funds. LOL.

Hmmm this is a very interesting post. Clearly extortion by your own standards tman/yogg. Where is that TMAN puppet YOGG who claims that if alice has her phone grabbed out of her hand by BOB that alice is not allowed to say " give it back bob or I will report you to the police" THAT HE CLAIMS IS EXTORTION/blackmail and so does TMAN.


Actually so does the tman ass feltcher steamtyme. That chipmixer spamming double standards scum bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123646.msg50281769#msg50281769

Tman has a history of extorting/blackmailing people for MONEY.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

Combined with the PM and subsequent threats on the prior page/this page that could be seen clearly as threatening.

What is more worrying about this is that Tmans attempted extortion seems to be suggesting that he will only dox or turn up and this persons house (if that is what the PM is implying) if TMAN does not get his $650 bucks that he just got for 1 satoshi??

Where is the concern for others? if you are not saying you will NOT dox him if he pays up the $650 you just bought for 1 satoshi LOL

Demonstrates the clear double standards of these scumbag DT and the scamming supporters.

This post is not to be conflated with support for taking peoples investments or not paying them what you owe them. This just ANOTHER example of TMAN, and his scumbag gang of scammer supporters like steamtyme, yogg etc supporting clear extortion for pure financial gain from their scammer pals and then claiming if someone else simply states they will encourage people to research a members post history to see the truth for themselves if that member keeps making false allegations with NO evidence  THAT IS WRONG and should have red trust.

Thanks Tman more just another example to keep bringing up over and over again to demonstrate the clear double standards here from DT members who collude together for their own gain.

Look forward to a nice extortion/blackmail comparison thread from DT's and their supporting scumbag pals.

TMAN and his "contacts" lol that basement dwelling tourettes suffering moron has no contacts. He's a drooling moron who would not dare raise his voice to any other able bodies male under 40 in RL.  Tough guy tman is a joke.

Black listing lauda was a joke, even theymos must be able to notice that blacklisting from DT1 actually does NOTHING. Why was he not blacklisted from default trust entirely? His abuse still stands and according to loyceV lauda is MORE entrenched in DT than ever now.

I will link to that thread in the initial post here. However we do not believe that it is possible to see them removed working within the confines of the current systems of control. They are too entrenched, their support increases due to their control of the shitty merit system.

Of course they should be excluded however since Theymos was TOLD to increase the threshold to 250 earned merits then actually those excluding those on the list provided are opening themselves up to merit famine as they will immediately be seen as a threat to their hold over DT.

It is best treat that method of removal as an extra but not a core way to hound them out.

Better to raise a group of determined individuals to hound their every post and movement here whilst keeping within the rules.

I suggest DEDICATED threads to each of these people with undeniable instances of their scamming/scammer supporting and trust abuse that is updated and linked to whenever you reply to them.. as a good start.

If people still want to exclude them they are free to do so and we support the idea, it is simply not going to be effective unless they have a lot of merit.

It is also best to merit  MERIT WORTHY POSTS of those that support the exclusions but this will work in reverse for the merit sources ( which are mostly all DT members spamming sigs at the highest rates and supporting scammers) so again is a 2 edged.

I think just crushing them in public constantly is the best way forward right now. As support grows their every post will be scrutinized for double standards.

Of course though as we have said the BEST way would be to leverage their sponsors. That would certainly have an effect but perhaps should be a last resort.

Sorry, please get someone to assist you when posting. Your massacre of the English language is too disturbing to attempt to tackle.

Now I suspect lafu is saying he wants to know does pushing a ton of members INTO THE EXIT SCAMMING EXCHANGE HE WORKED FOR get him extra power points?  along with achieving nothing of note here ever and supporting scammers??

Now back on topic please discussing the merits of this shitty game some merit grasping dreg has created that really has ZERO meaning and ZERO value.

Yeah because Lauda's token effort removal ( so he just remains on DT2 anyway) totally convinced us that


1. you don't all merit each other
2. all include each other on DT
3. all fix it so only you guys have the required trust/merit requirements for the highest paying sigs
4. all collude on every thread (like this)
5. employ double standards where scammers on DT are good guys and deserve to be on default trust but those that commit far lesser evils are given red tags/flags


Yep totally no collusion and no gang now lauda a multiple confirmed scammer/scam support/trust abuser/probable extortionist/shady escrow was taken off DT1 but still sits there on DT2....


NOTHING CHANGED


Besides let's keep on topic here, tmans baseless, valueless, non corroborated nor validated tourettes laded low functioning spew + undeniable scamming, scam supporting, and self confessed trust abuse of whistle blowers certainly needs removing from DT and merit source.

Need to focus more on the SYSTEMS of control that enable, and entrench and reward vod with the power to conduct himself in this manner.

Focusing on VOD alone is a waste of time, because until you dig out the support beneath him then his position is not going to change.

Merely stating VOD is a liar will change nothing even if you can PROVE that he has lied ( as we have with many other DT members) or even if you can PROVE he is a scammer ( as we have with other DT members) nothign will change.

There is a central core of scammers, scam supporters and other financially dangerous individuals that have used merit to entrench themselves on to default trust. Whilst they have the merit carrot ( leading to higher sig payouts) they will only gain MORE support.

People do not give one shit if vod gets you fucked by the IRS (even if you have done nothing wrong) so long as they can get 0.001 btc more dust per week spamming their mixing and gambling sigs.

People would not give one shit if vod got your home broken into and your head blown off and the forums bitcoins taken so long as they can get their extra 0.0001btc dust per week spamming their mixing and gambling sigs.

Start supporting change in the mechanisms that the systems of control are based upon or else suffer at the hands of these pieces of shit and their new recruits forever more.

First thing I would suggest is slapping that scamming scumbag lauda with red again since we both know he is a REAL financial danger to this forum and never allow theymos to talk you into removing red from proven scammers ever again. Then getting a LOT MORE vocal about the state of this forums trust/merit system.

There is no point to fight with vod, most can see he is a liar, a trust abuser, a scammer supporter. Proving it over and over will change nothing. If you think about it, concentrating ONLY on vod whilst removing red from other proven scammers is going to damage your credibility and standing if you don't wish to appear you are ONLY out for your own ends. One MUST stand up to these kinds of scammers and scammer supporters when they start attacking ANY innocent member out there. Removing a scammers red tags if they will remove their fake red tags on your own account looks bad and as if you are only concerned for your own self interests. We hope that is not true.

Vod is not suitable for DT nor any position of trust. This is well established, however focusing on him alone will change nothing.

There are no explosive exchanges EVER. I mean that would suggest some kind of resistance or friction to our undeniable and independently verifiable observable instances of their wrong doing.

That NEVER happens. We just present the truth and they all cry out " trolling" then run away from the drill down and scrutiny we put them under.

Well, the problem is most people are totally selfish fucking scum bags even if they are not scammers or scammer supporters. If they are not personally being troubled they will either

a/ sit there and do nothing
b/ align with the scammers and scammer supporter that currently control merit/trust and the highly paid rev streams here.

Still it is fun to rub their scamming noses in their past undeniable scamming and scam supporting deeds whenever it is on topic and relevant. No union required for that.

LOL at members being mis-sold.... haha  that auction scammer pretending to want to snatch up a great deal for himself by buying it on the cheap from himself but being prevented from gaining such a great deal because he already had too many .......himself.

hahaha,  yeah speak up against yourself that would fit well

You can't make this stuff up it's brilliant.

No more mis-selling guys ....auction scammer will speak up.

Come on guys , no point continuously begging admin for help here they are not bothered if you get abused by scammers

Only a union can crush them fully.

Start getting organized and targeting energy to maximum effect.

I mean we alone can hound these scamming bitches (when ontopic, relevant and net positive) and keep them from having a nice easy ride here but they will keep adding red marks to your account and threatening to weaponize the systems of control here in which they are currently entrenched unless you start working together.

We can not prevent them from giving you tags and flags just for speaking out against them at this time. For that we will need a union of those abused.

EITHER PM us or post here. PM is best if you don't want to immediately be set upon and given a red tag or flag.  We can discuss how to deal with these scammers and their scammer supporters in private.

The WORST thing you can do is try to suck up to them and hope they will grant you some small favor in future.

Don't see quickseller defending tman anywhere?

Do you read this kind of poetry to your daughter ?

Does she enjoy this kind of poetry Loyce?

Are you sure this is poetry??

Funny how TMAN supporters are focusing on possible future financial dangers ( that are as yet unproven) but don't have any problem at all SUPPORTING proven scammers like tman and lauda on to default trust.

That is more funny for sure.

CLEAR SELF ADMITTED EVIDENCE THAT TMAN USES RED TRUST TO SILENCE THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS PAL LAUDAS SCAMMING

Imagine finding you here scum bag. The LOAN SHARK charging the poorest members here SUPER HIGH rates of interest to borrow his btc dust.

I agree though since miner jones was used by tman ( or perhaps complicit) to Tmans past auction scamming and perhaps was part of the LAUDA shady escrow then it would be wise to certainly avoid tmans kind offer to let his pal hold the coins lol.

You mean the same miner jones as you got help you conduct an auction scam and  even perhaps laudas shady escrow??

Seems Tman also is not above a bit of scamming directly when it suits him (we quote OG below who discovered this)

"TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.msg19349060#msg19349060 "

ERRR okay.

Perhaps you should simply confess you are an auction scammer and scammer supporter and trust abuser then we can look into crypto sparks and compare his behavior to your own??

I don't think it looks good for proven scammers as yourself to be focusing on those that you claim could be financially high risk.

Better someone that does not have clearer financially dangerous behaviors in their own post histories to tackle those that you claim are perhaps a risk.

This looks more of a retaliation thread to this one made earlier

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5204658.0

that correctly highlights your posts are renowned for being ONLY bunches of swearing and other sexual deviant ramblings that have zero corroborating instances to validate them.