The funny thing here is that LoyceV is accusing cryptohunter of "trolling" (the boards fav term for something they can not even agree on a definition for when he provided them the opportunity to in his they see me trollin they hatin thread)  apparently the trolling is his message that the trust system is a broken mess that can not be fixed. Since that is his main gripe.

Vod clearly agrees, as you can see he is claiming he wants to "defriend" and  red trust lauda or others in his gang but he dare not because he correctly realizes they will use red trust in reprisal. Therefore Red trust clearly silences whistle blowing on scammers. IT FACILITATES SCAMMING at the highest level. There is no other way to see it.  So now VOD you are trolling according to loyceV, your message is the same.

Instead of moving the topic to "trolling", let's keep it on TRUST APPEALS - which there should be no need of because if you need to prove someone is a scammer or provide a strong case they have scammed or intend to scam to give red trust OR YOU ARE BLACKLISTED. Then all you will need to do is say present the proof or STRONG case and if they can NOT then the red trust has to be removed. NO paying people to remove the red trust, no free speech getting crushed to remove the red trust.

It was a very poorly conceived system because it is based upon the reasoning that everyone is going to act as perfectly and unselfishly as possible and not even consider colluding, WHEN THERE ARE CLEAR FINANCIAL MOTIVES for being selfish and abusing it. It is the most crazy trust system you could ever dream up. I mean that and it is based upon the even more crazy , misleading and dangerous merit system.  There are only 2 options.

1. scrap it all
2. Put down strict rules as mentioned above for using red trust and blacklist those that try to use it for their own reasons outside of that. Whilst making sure observable scammers and those with ANY financially motivated dirt AT ALL in their past are removed and blacklisted as soon as they are noticed.

As we have said before the "possible" meager benefits of ANY  trust system over a warning on ALL accounts that they MAY scam you,  are crushed to negative when the implications for free speech are taken into account and the way red trust can Facilitate scamming and crush whistleblowing. It is like every other system that satoshi is AGAINST the people at the TOP can abuse it. Whilst everyone else is at their mercy and have to kiss ass and adopt their views, or beg to stay red trust free.

If VOD (one of self proclaimed POLICE of this board) feels he is too scared to red tag scammers like lauda or his pals because they will red trust and burn his account back what fucking hope is there for this board? Without rules even DT members are scared of tit for tat on their accounts. Perhaps this is why they look like such a bunch of cowards and ass kissers. Then again they could just be weak and pathetic individuals that will just allow the all board members to be placed in vulnerable positions so they may avoid red tags or not being popular.

Cryptohunter never supported scammers ever. He never saw any proof any of them were scammers. Regardless of which if a scammer rightly noticed the trust system was broken and used as a weapon to silence whistle blowers then agreeing and supporting that view is the correct action to take. If a scammer says something like " the earth is  spheroid" and other people voice opinions "the earth is a cube" then you support the spheroid claim.

Hence why you and other abusers need to be blacklisted. Presenting the truth about you and your dirt gang is not being a mental case.

Get back to your poetry.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0

Your post is riddled with stupidity. The fact it has any merit at all demonstrates the stupidity and misleading nature of the merit system.

1. the system FAILS by allowing persons like cryptohunter to have ever been red tagged initially.

Let's analyse the situation.

Lauda come to cryptohunters threads and calls him a liar 3x each time Ch request the presentation of these lies. Lauda never presents any. Cryptohunter frustrated at this and KNOWING FULL WELL lauda had lied that he was on the xcoin (now dash) launch and there was no premine. A lie that cryptohunter and his friends later proved was a total lie which lauda was telling people because he had bags of darkcoin at that time (they altered the name), he was lying to entice more investors and hide the fact the project was almost completely centralized in terms of distribution and control. Later the dev offered a 2 000 000 000 USD value compensation air drop to the board to make up for the scamming start (they claimed fair launch no premine and then did a  huge captive instamine). Cryptohunter knew this because he WAS on the launch.

So all cryptohunter said to lauda was " if you keep calling me a liar with no evidence and will not present any then I will make a thread investigating your own past (because he knew he could demonstrate lauda lied and scammed)

1/Lauda then gives him red trust. (SO RED TRUST FOR WHISTLE BLOWING ON A LIAR AND SCAMMER??)

Cryptohunter then gets pissed of and starts presenting more observable instances about this and other DIRTY looking deeds from lauda.


2/Tman shows up and adds red trust, and we believe owlcatz did too (however it appears they removed it - looked like too much collusion otherwise ) Cryptohunter says to Tman. You can not leave me red trust for presenting facts and observable instances. Tman says " I can I will and I just have, if you don't like it......"

SO RED TRUST AGAIN FOR PRESENTING FACTS AND OBSERVABLE INSTANCES OF WRONG DOING.  He later pretends it is because of some foul language and swearing the pissed of cryptohunter laced in with his facts about lauda making him insane "apparently"

But when he starts spouting swearing and sexual deviance it is poetry ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0
Demonstrates robovac will try to spin a positive light on anything his dumb pals say or do.

Cryptohunter then tells TMAN remove that red trust for presenting facts or else I'll just keep highlighting this trust abuse.

3/ Yogg another colluder who you notice shows up to back up much of their trust abuse then says

Is you use the words "or else" that is blackmail and extortion an he adds additional red trust.


We can observe there that red trust was being abused. Cryptohunter has NO NEED to be nice about it and apologize. The system failure is allowing it to be left for these reasons.

Scammers and those implicated in extortion and other financially motivated untrustworthy behaviors DO NOT get to use red trust to silence whistle blowing or crush free speech as they see fit. Blacklist these scum before they leverage their DT and green to do more damage.

The entire system is a sham.

Scammers / those that pose financial risk to this board should have red not walk around with 300 GREEN trust. It is disgusting and is leaving the entire board vulnerable to the very most dangerous.


Who would transact with cryptohunter?? Well since he  purchased nxt the day after launch, was an original nem stake holder, a launch day miner for the majority of wave 1 alts, picked 6 of the top 10 rising coins in the last wave and has threads started by others thanking him for his tips that turned them from nothing to millionaires. Then I guess that is not going to be much of a scam risk since he never bothered to buy or sell anything here and is already wealthy. Can you show even 1 instance of anywhere where cryptohunter has any financially motivated dirt on him?? NO because he always fights for others to have a fair shot at things.

Who would transact with TMAN? ran an auction through a proxy pal (another DT) and tried to talk the price up pretending it was not his auction. Phones someones parents up probably trying to extort them. Observably colluding with other scammers and trying to silence whistle blowers.  Would you give your address to someone that has apparently already tried to use this kind of information as leverage to extort btc out of them?  Well you might but some scum bag hiding in Bulgaria a place notorious for that type of person.

There can be no doubt that the PROBLEM here is not peoples attitudes after they have been trust abused and their free speech threatened. The PROBLEM is that it is permitted to be used as a weapon to control people free  speech and attitudes. If they are NOT scammers they do NOT GET red trust in the first place. We've heard rumors of people charging for getting red removed. Red trust if not used within STRICT guidelines is very dangerous for the board.

Anyone who can not present a strong case for FINANCIAL danger in the case of that MEMBER can NOT have red trust. If they can not present a case within 24 hours the are blacklisted from DT if the red still stay there.

The prevention of trust abuse is key. There is no point of all these appeals. People getting trust abused are going to kick off. After that point it just becomes a personal grudge on both sides.  

Theymos needs to make it clear. Give red trust to a person who you can not present is a scammer then you get black listed. In any other form DT is dangerous and poses grave risk to this board.

To be honest even ALLOWING people on DT1 who have any observable instances of clear financially motivated wrong doing should be black listed. You simply can not have scammers and extortionists on DT1. It is ridiculous.

Well here you said it yourself. No claim of scammed or tried to scam. Does not pass the threshold test for red trust. I do not feel that people who post things like this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0  and all the other "experts" there who cry if you are not polite to them and use their correct username you are a troll, and yet celebrate and raise money for a rap of TMANS sexual deviance "trolling" likely caused by abuse by his parents.

I'm not sure where those experts, burger flippers and double standards fools get to decide on who sounds more insane out of thule or tman.

Can you present some insane posts from thule here because they will likely turn out to be some kind of pissed off expression at getting as he perceives it trust abused and ridiculed.

"an obvious lie" you say? I do not agree. Someone that openly includes observable liars, scammers, probable extortionists and shady escrows on to DT are likely capable of not paying for some mining equipment.  So it looks to me as if it was the actions of an honest member asking if he should alert the entire community.

NOW suchmoon seems rather concerned and pushing for more red.

What I think DT need to be MORE worried about is knowingly DEFENDING observable liars and scammers and probable extortionists and shady escrows and ensuring through their inclusions they get into positions of trust and leaving the board vulnerable and possibly even facilitating scams here.

If it can be argued (which it likely can because the evidence has been presented many times to them personally in multiple threads) these DT members and even ADMIN were made aware of these prior super worrying instances of lying and scamming, extortion etc and they assisted in the red trust removal of those kinds of untrustworthy members, and deliberately included them into positions of trust. If those positions of trust were leveraged and found to be prime contributors to pulling the scam off and lots of people losing money..... then you see how that could look. Refusing to red trust, them, including them in DT,  even insisting their scam tags are REMOVED... looks like you are all complicit in anything they pull in future.

You have all had plenty of observable instances pushed under your noses about several DT members and their untrustworthy bordering on criminal behaviors and it looks to us like you are all colluding with them to give them a clean slate and let them appear super trustworthy 300 green trust no less.

That's how they may all be liable in the end for this corrupt behavior.  The negative feedback we have was left because we tried to warn members about these observable instances as to protect them from future scamming... they are using the red to silence whilstle blowers. Doubly damning for them if the shit hits the fan.

I think they will be held liable. Can't say it will be a shame either. Time to put the garbage out.




 

that sounds rather rude?  actmyname, would you mind having a word with tman to demonstrate you wish to uphold the same standards for all members. 

Ban Ban Ban... the only false hope you have. You can not ban the truth TMAN. You can not ban observable instances. You can not ban new members presenting them. Why would anyone want to ban those that only ask for a set of transparent rules and guidelines that ALL members have to work within? why would they wish to prevent this?

Go for it. Red trust is the new green trust with the current Dirty Turds.
More trust abuse for us to reference.

You make statements and need not provide proof
We make statements and need to provide proof or it is red trust.

Thanks, nice and clear. DT is a joke.

Perhaps you should post some proof of your claims first?? once you have presented irrefutable proof that we look which you claim then we may bring our own proof. You made the claims first, now you present your irrefutable proof first. Then we go next.

Also, did we specify what PM represented? or where you had PM'd us?

Make sure you know how to play this game first, because it will result in you getting a tag if we do or else it is double standards. Same for nutildah. Sounds like a pack of lies to us. What else can you expect from one that is evil.

Come on she just looks dirty and well used to us. Give her a break Tman. Get back to your poetry.

But EVIL one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875

Can we trust anything you say? of course not.  Sounds like a reach to us. Anti-social ? Look how sociable I am. People can not even ignore me if they want to such is my charisma and charm. Even when I try to disparage them, they lust after me daily, hourly, with each breath How many times have you tried to put me on ignore. You just can NOT do it. You want to be like me.

Now unless you can present VIDEO EVIDENCE that marlborozo  claims is required
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127540.msg50571141#msg50571141
of the same person posting messages from both accounts. Then stop crying about it. Why not focus on the observable instances of you and your EVIL vile and scam facilitating behaviors?

You see them there right?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875


Tman - errr, these descriptions of your mother and siblings are getting boring, and stop PMing us offering discount on your other family members .

Coinlicker$ who? sorry, no time to stoop to the bottom of the barrel today, 3rd world ass kissing sig spammers are not to be encouraged top cover the board in feltching nonsense. Tman just needed to hear NO one final time those pics were getting too much. 

How would you guys even earn your btc crumbs without us?  your families should be grateful. Now let's be sensible. If you manage to weaponize some gamed metric and silence us, then your shacks will never have running water and you will still need to take a pajeet poop in the streets. We are building you new huts and a fair environment here to post on in future. So start kissing our ass and be grateful.

It is not for DT members to use their subjective opinions on other members attitudes as a basis to decide if they leave the scam tag or not.

This would leave DT open to gaming, abuse and seriously encroaching on free speech if this was inside their mandate. It is not.

There needs to be transparent guidelines that are applied equally to all members.

1. you need to present evidence they are a scammer
2. you need to present strong evidence they are trying to scam

that is your mandate, where does it say you get to judge how people speak to you after you have abused the trust system? how do you expect to be spoken to when you abuse trust here? f you can not meet those criteria you have no business leaving a scam tag.

What is more. There is a DT member nutildah who calling people EVIL, Villains, and scum for selling their accounts and claiming that it facilitated scamming. He then decided to turn into an Evil villain and facilitate scamming (his own claim) later on. He is obviously more untrustworthy than someone who buys an account on behalf of another person that does not consider them a scammer. The intent is clearly more toxic from the DT member nutildah but LAUDA and all the other DT members refuse to give him a scam tag. Double standards.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875

I think DT members are fully complicit when refusing to leave scam tags for other DT members where there is clear evidence of lying for financial gain, or strong evidence for other financially motivated shady behaviors. They should be held liable for this for sure.

I see no references to a SCAM or SCAMMING On his feedback. Remove the red or apply the red to all those engaging in buying selling accounts.

Foxpoop  your link proves what exactly?


This is the level of reasoning our current DT and merit sources are capable of.


What is that dishonest auction by proxy, trust abusing imbecile doing in any position of trust? the board is not that desperate is it?

Stop begging for people to be banned, you need to cry and beg to authority and feltch for merit scraps so you can spam your sig for btc crumbs. What an embarrassing grovelling state to be in. Pathetic. Let's ban net negative shit posting pajeets like you from spamming their sigs all over the board like the dirty beggars they are. PRETENDING to be great enthusiasts of this forum just to power up their sig spamming rates....disgusting little turds.

This is a thread in part about us. Stop basking in our 1st world spot light.

Now you see the challenges I set you dog? now either meet those challenges or sit your illiterate pajeet ass down, and STFU.

1. bring the instances of false information any of us posted
2. bring evidence of any other agenda we were pushing for, other than the introduction of sensible guidelines to ensure the transparent and fair treatment of all members.

Rude you say? please take your council to Tman one comment above this if you want to demonstrate your are not clearly demonstrating double standards here. Then take a look through thenewnobodies previous attitude towards our own posts and again lecture him on being rude.

Actmyname is not responsible for all of DT and therefore can give no such guarantee. We see many wrongly applied tags that are not being countered.

What we do see is a lot of double standards and gaming of the current DT and merit systems.

Are you claiming you can guarantee this does not or will not happen at any point?

Suchmoon will know she is obsessed with the true legend. She can tell you how many pubic hairs he has on his left nut.  What he ate for second breakfast on his 19th birthday.Have you all considered suchmoon may be our secret alt? have you not all noticed how she shows up to build up a specious opposing argument to our own ( I mean, assuming we are also cryptohunter that is) . Then waits for all you lower functioning fools to get on side with her. Then debunks your entire case in a wild outburst of feigned mental fatigue right at the end leaving us victorious and gloating and you all looking like dumb fools our friends are everywhere oooooooohhh.

Imagine cryptohunter coming here, posting in the exact same style all (best we can) calling you by your highly informative and very suitable names, and knowing everything he ever posted and expecting you all to believe he is not him? That is a cunning and devious plan for sure. I mean immediately go after the same scammers and liars too? all in meta?  he is a crafty one. How could you have rumbled this masterminds plans to throw you off his scent? I bet the ips are not brave browser obscured and hardware may even be similar?? it HAS to be cryptohunter you all scream. How can it all be so similar? what if we are a CONjoined twins? 2 heads and only one body? what about 2 bodies one head? would that count?


ROLL out the big guns. I feel it is time for agent fox poop to review the evidence and give his hilariously brilliant take on the entire thing.


Meanwhile whilst you all enjoy yourselves with all the excitement, the same old challenges remain

1. bring the instances of false information any of us posted
2. bring evidence of any other agenda we were pushing for, other than the introduction of sensible guidelines to ensure the transparent and fair treatment of all members.

Get's boring challenging such a bunch of miserable failures.

Then the bag of cycled merits said "If you haven’t seeked professional advise fella"   please put us back on ignore and control yourself, this is terrible for you fella.

I disagree. It is you that are too dumb for words.

1. you are a dire poster
2. you are a troll - you proliferate false information that has been debunked.

example you say that the pharmacist being using a sock puppet to racist troll sig spam under was an ' opposite of a fact'  when we know it is an observable truth. So yes you fit the definition on this board of a troll. Proliferating false information after it has already been established many times.
3. we have read your account somewhere that you admitted burger flipping ? this seem plausible since you appear to be sig spamming and kissing ass for scraps of btc.

so take your time in explain the trolling part?

take it step by step. Trolling is something we can find is easily definable by any person here it would seem. It is a subjective nonsense term that has again been weaponized or the attempt to weaponize it has been made.

If we hold to the forums definition of it being the spreading of FALSE information once it has been debunked, then you are all trolls

Because you are too dull to comprehend what that statement means...

Every person who had a flawless rep had the ability to go for campaign manager, escrow of be part of a gambling or mixing sig campaign. Every legend that is suddenly given red for far less than what you and lauda are observably guilty of is reducing competition for all of those positions. Does that help make sense of this very complex world into which you were unfairly thrust.

Not to mention those nice escrow and campaign manager jobs that often seem to go to DT members.

Also the ability to destroy your competition. Very useful.

The dire posting wolf boy burger flipper?

BRING 1 SPECIFIC EXAMPLE and demonstrate it in public is TROLLING. Stop failing at everything you do.

Please bring your "opposite of facts post". That is trolling 101 from an observably low functioning idiot such as this dire poster. Yes bring that example, or we will for you.

No, please do not understate your own observably insane, contradictory, and EVIL nature. Therefore rendering anything you say as toxic.

I will leave the link here so that people may enjoy.

1. Calling out persons as evil, and screaming  that you believe that account sellers facilitate scammers and are VILLAINS.
2. Then attempting to sell or did sell the account to act by your own definition in an EVIL way and to deliberately facilitate scammers.
3. Begging for 0.02btc loans you broke ass loser. VILLAIN. lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875

Actually the further you trace back in the original nutildah evil hypocritical HATE of account sellers thread the more of a complete personality change the person seems to have had over time. But don't worry you broke ass ghetto bum you have your sig to spam now.

You can not even ignore us successfully can you?  oh dear, just zero self control.
PM us, we will send you some drool to massage into your temples so that you can feel near part of us at all times. What 3rd world dump do you reside in where 0.02btc is worth begging for in public. No shame at all it seems.


Cryingdumbfish is here to scream and swear. Another fantastic example of a mod you want to on your forum. Hi dumb fish. Stop crying and get back to work for US as the forum members. You are here to serve us and keep the board free from low quality shit like your own posts. Please delete it along with your account. Do something net positive for your btc crumbs.

What you are claiming is absurd. Theymos would NEVER tell ognasty to remove legitimate scam tags from lauda or else what?. You keep repeating this claim but there is zero evidence to support this.

Ognasty has not confimed this either and said you were not permitted in the later stages of their conversation.

I would think Theymos will have something to say about you continuously repeating that he ORDERED OGnasty to remove legitimate scam tags from a scammer. That puts him in a very poor light. Have you considered that?

Is this a LIE from you vod? or can you present evidence here now that Theymos gave him one last chance Or what anyway?

Theymos includes Ognasty on his inclusions and does not include lauda. Clearly if he had his way he would favor Ognasty over lauda on DT.

What you are claiming seems doubtful. This is a thread examining your honesty. I think you should provide evidence for any claims of this nature.

Can you present the "attack" or perhaps it was sensible constructive criticism?  You claim you had ignored him and all threads about him prior to this and it was some kind of random act? that sounds unlike him. Are you sure you wish to keep to that story?

We feel you claimed to be superior to the true legends of "massive achievements" with your trivial and newbie ass kissing and whack a mole attempts on 2 bit scammers that only succeed with the very most stupid or greedy?  Are you sure it is not you polluting the forum with your sig spamming and net negative groundless nonsense?  Did you not make some foolish statement that legends with less "cycled" merits than you are like newbies in comparison LOL

@Steamtyme

Could you present some of this trolling you tire of? We wish to examine it in public.

It will remain speculation and assumption until apparently you pass the  video evidence threshold set by moronbozo

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127540.msg50571141#msg50571141

There can be NO END to the drama legitimate concerns based upon observable instances of wrong doing by those that infest the trust system until their abuse is crushed.