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1041  Other / Meta / Re: Can I know the guidelines for giving members red trust? on: April 13, 2019, 09:35:14 PM
"You won't receive negative trust for debating a DT members trustworthyness"??  thanks for making that clear.
You noted wrong what LFC said, you can debate about DT members or about any other members and that's fine as long as your point is legitimate.

I checked the thread where you are trying to defame Hhampuz without any evidence.
Your debate will be considered valid when you will provide evidence, otherwise it's just a case where you are trying to harm someone's reputation.

Asking a question and building an audience before revealing the evidence is defamation ?

What happens when the evidence is revealed and is observably true?  the red trust has to be removed?

One can not call for a public debate/investigation without receiving red trust?


EVIDENCE MOTHERFUCKER, USE IT OR FUCK OFF.  No one gives a fuck about completely unsubstantiated fantasy projections from a troll with sand in his vagina.

This individual is a staff member? or not? can someone confirm? sounds like an alt of TMAN? perhaps Lauda? also Fortune Jack sig spammer?
1042  Other / Meta / Re: Can I know the guidelines for giving members red trust? on: April 13, 2019, 08:48:58 PM
"You won't receive negative trust for debating a DT members trustworthyness"??  thanks for making that clear.
You noted wrong what LFC said, you can debate about DT members or about any other members and that's fine as long as your point is legitimate.

I checked the thread where you are trying to defame Hhampuz without any evidence.
Your debate will be considered valid when you will provide evidence, otherwise it's just a case where you are trying to harm someone's reputation.

Asking a question and building an audience before revealing the evidence is defamation ?

What happens when the evidence is revealed and is observably true?  the red trust has to be removed?

One can not call for a public debate/investigation without receiving red trust?



1043  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz REAL Reputation Thread - Fortune Jack - Liars, scam pushers, extortion ? on: April 13, 2019, 08:37:04 PM


If you have not directly employed or facilitated the sponsorship of the members we will examine,  we can delete your name from this, and focus directly on the fortune jack themselves. No project should be kept in the dark as to the types of members that are enlisting and perhaps sullying their reputation. Once we have presented the evidence to fortune jack then we are expecting they will act appropriately. Should they still decide to directly sponsor these individuals, then we can then investigate this at a later stage in public. We seek only the truth.

FortuneJack knows exactly who they have employed. You are not the first member to try and attack them due to these member advertising for them and you most likely won't be the last. They have told me that they've received messages where people have demanded they remove said members but from what I can tell they are happy with these users and will most likely not change anything.

Go ahead with your smear campaign, this is nothing new to me, to FJ or to the users you are referring to.

So just from the descriptions in the initial post you recognize the members we are going to examine? that is interesting and also troubling.  Perhaps fortune jack do not have the full picture of what perhaps these people are guilty of and how many threads examining this could negatively impact upon their business?

You claim you did not directly hire or recruit these members personally?
1044  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz REAL Reputation Thread - Fortune Jack - Liars, scam pushers, extortion ? on: April 13, 2019, 08:24:12 PM


If you have not directly employed or facilitated the sponsorship of the members we will examine,  we can delete your name from this, and focus directly on the fortune jack themselves. No project should be kept in the dark as to the types of members that are enlisting and perhaps sullying their reputation. Once we have presented the evidence to fortune jack then we are expecting they will act appropriately. Should they still decide to directly sponsor these individuals, then we can then investigate this at a later stage in public. We seek only the truth.
1045  Other / Meta / Re: Can I know the guidelines for giving members red trust? on: April 13, 2019, 08:10:57 PM
It is accepted here that DT's are permitted to give red trust to members who ask for a public examination of their past histories? On the basis of those histories then examine if they are suitable to be DT and examine if they are appropriate choices for projects to select to represent them?

So no member may ask questions regarding a DT members past ? or they will receive red trust? is this correct?

This is not a reputation topic. I wish this thread to remain in meta and receive my answer here.

You can leave positive, neutral or negative trust on whoever’s profile you’d like to. It won’t count towards their trust rating unless you are DT yourself though.

If you have legitimate concerns about a current DT Members actions/credentials then feel free to post details here. You won’t receive negative trust yourself for debating a DT Members level of trustworthiness.

Do you have anything worthwhile to add?

"You won't receive negative trust for debating a DT members trustworthyness"??  thanks for making that clear.
1046  Other / Meta / Re: QS Merit Source Application on: April 13, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
You deleted the majority of posts the account wrote.
Do you have proof it was me who deleted posts? Hah! You don't. Got you there.
That account does not show up in the modlog in masse, and anyone who has 80%+ of their posts deleted is not going to be allowed to continue posting around here. It was you that deleted the posts.
Yes, yes, I understand this but do you have proof that it was me who deleted posts?

Post video proof of me pressing delete button and removing posts from account zorroback.

It is nonsensical to say that someone's entire history should be reviewed before giving merit to someone. I would refer you to the specific posts I merited, and if you have any concerns about those specific posts, I would advise you to voice your concerns. Merit is given for specific posts. If someone previously made crap posts, but has since cleaned up their act, they should receive merit for their good posts.

Further, as of when I reviewed your post the day you wrote it, they all had received merit from multiple reputable people subsequent to when I sent them merit (perhaps with few exceptions), so I am not the only person who believes they are making good posts. I am also not aware that any of these people have been banned for making crap posts. I do not know any of these people, have not done any kind of business with any of these people, nor have had any meaningful communications with any of the people you cited.

If you think I have ever written like any of the posts you cited, I would invite you to review my post history, and would ask you reevaluate your assumption. 
Oh no, account seller and escrow scammer is trying to get me on "playing stupid again" card.

Like to quote theymos when it suits you? Well read this:
If you want to be a merit source:
 1. Be a somewhat established member.
It doesn't say "have scamming history".

My concern isn't you giving merit to objectively low quality posts, it's with you using said merit to rank up your alts.
This.

Over and out

The reader should realize that moronbozo is clearly being hypocritical on 2 points . He only requires video evidence when we are examining his own guilt but for others it is just enough to say he believes it to be true.. He is also previously guilty of supporting and including for DT those that have been demonstrated to be clear scammers and liars, and those that are implicated and likely guilty of extortion. The reason should consider all of this back ground information before deciding to take into account his false indignation at QS becoming a merit source. 
1047  Other / Meta / Can I know the guidelines for giving members red trust? on: April 13, 2019, 07:53:08 PM
It is accepted here that DT's are permitted to give red trust to members who ask for a public examination of their past histories? On the basis of those histories then examine if they are suitable to be DT and examine if they are appropriate choices for projects to select to represent them?

So no member may ask questions regarding a DT members past ? or they will receive red trust? is this correct?

This does not seem to me to be a very suitable name for this system. This system would appear to facilitate hiding the truth?

DT is a system to punish whistle blowers? and reward scammers and liars?

I just want to understand how this works?

This is not a reputation topic. I wish this thread to remain in meta and receive my answer here.
1048  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 07:44:47 PM
I see no PROOF than any of these accounts that are being accused of being sock puppets are sock puppets. May I see the proof.
Sure, no problem: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580400;sa=showPosts.

Is this proof of your sig spamming? 

I see no proof that any accounts here accused are alts?

Video evidence as required by yourself when operating your alt account zorroback.?
1049  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
Also there is one that starts out with a f  in this very post.
I still maintain that the one that starts with v was better.

I have no alt account, so stop making false accusations. I will not ask you again
In that case, I will not ask you again how you knew cryptohunter was banned when nobody other than himself could know that. Roll Eyes

occam's razor informed me
1050  Economy / Reputation / Re: Red trust for asking questions and examining evidence now? on: April 13, 2019, 05:40:25 PM
I notice that asking questions and the public examination of evidence is now worthy of red trust?
The only 'question' I saw you ask was a bullshit one about Hhampuz, and there was no credible evidence in that thread of any wrongdoing.  If you're going to go way beyond trolling and impugn a trusted member's reputation, don't come bitching about the red trust you receive.  No one should trust someone who makes up lies about people--especially ones who are clearly very trusted.

Just take a hike.  There have already been too many threads like this, and they all end the same.  Theymos doesn't respond to them, but I'm pretty sure he reads them.  That should give you an idea of the creedence he gives to all of this nonsense.  You're wasting your time, and you're annoying everyone else.

creeeeedence

Annonying? then do not read the thread.

The evidence can be examined if I wish it to be. The evidence will be reviewed in public. We have reviewed the evidence many times and it seems rather damning. Are you claiming that red trust should be given in this case?

There is no reason to allow persons to give out red trust if you wish to examine in public evidence they do not wish to be heard.

This is a very strange trust system.  
1051  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
I would like video proof that I am an alt of someone as moronbozo claims in required.
Come now, if you're going to pretend not to be an alt of someone, the least you could do is invent new insults:

This latest thread though is brilliant, you get to spam your sig at my expense, whilst accusing me of spamming not a sig but rather I am spamming words. That is excellent moronbozo.

This is fun. I wonder if anyone else noticed that snippet, after I indicated it was the words of my inspiration cryptohunter?
Agent foxpoop.

You missed notildah? Also there is one that starts out with a f  in this very post.

This is not a proofen fact, you need video evidence of cryptohunter typing on this very keyboard. Ask moronbozo.

I have no alt account, so stop making false accusations. I will not ask you again before I make another reputation thread asking why persons are permitted to continue accusing persons, casting them in a negative light with no proof at all. I hope persons realize this is unfair and ridiculous.



1052  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz REAL Reputation Thread - Fortune Jack - Liars, scam pushers, extortion ? on: April 13, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
A self-moderated thread shows that you are ill-fit to deal with criticism.

Spam can be handled through the report feature. Anything above that depicts an insecure position.

Locate your DT friends SM threads here in reputation and paste your above message there so that I may witness you are not seeking to deploy double standards from the outset.

Failure to do so will result in any other posts you make here being deleted.

We shall not delete posts that meet the requisites stated in the initial post
1053  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 04:40:18 PM
Definitely CH, uses too many words/terms that nobody (rarely anybody) else does.

This will be the first of many threads started to examine the possible actions of campaign managers and their projects and their sponsorship of perhaps some of the most shady people on this entire board whilst refusing honest members merely on some red marks actual scammers and liars wish to put on their accounts.

Theymos can you explain your reasoning on honest meriting of merit worthy posts by those that clearly announce their intentions vs those that are sneaky about it and report others whilst clearly doing it themselves?

(dozens of usages of whilst, if not hundreds)

whilst they cream off the best deals for them selves and their friends?  Perhaps anyone that has been banned for simply whistle blowing or under some false pretense should be reinstated immediately?

....whilst ensuring they cream off the best sig campaigns via their pals campaign managers projects and mods seem to be joined to the same projects are backing them and their foul deeds against honest members.

(both posts are about sig campaigns using the term cream off)

Does Hhampuz  knowingly chose to employ and sponsor people that are Liars, Scam pushers, trust abusers and those implicated in extortion schemes and other shady escrow deals ?

mention facts that there are thread accusing lauda of shady escrow practices and that senior senior members agree that he is shady and the fact that lauda is also implicated in an extortion scheme.

(shadiest of escrows)

This was also a giveaway:

Posts will be deleted if not accompanied by evidence, off topic or deemed irrelevant by myself.

It was funny to see CH try their hardest to keep their words to a minimum but ultimately fail in their last post.

In addition, the new name is entirely fitting for how they see themselves.

That's a very compelling case for a sub 80 iq.

It is a shame that cryptohunter was banned. I want to confirm that  he was a great inspiration to myself, that said I am not crytohunter. Let's
keep to the things we can prove.

You are not notildah as cryptohunter would say. You bought his account. This is likely since you are begging for 0.02 btc loans very recently. You are notildah as cryptohunter correctly mentioned. He was a fantastic member and a sad loss to this community. A true legend.

I would like video proof that I am an alt of someone as moronbozo claims in required.
1054  Economy / Reputation / Red trust for asking questions and examining evidence now? on: April 13, 2019, 04:32:17 PM
I notice that asking questions and the public examination of evidence is now worthy of red trust?

Whistle blowers are getting a hard time lately?

1055  Economy / Reputation / Re: Hhampuz REAL Reputation Thread - Fortune Jack - Liars, scam pushers, extortion ? on: April 13, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
This will be the first of many threads
Please don't waste your time, because it's obvious you're an alt account of someone who's already lost credibility--probably Thule or one of those moronic monkeys. 

Hhampuz is one of the best campaign managers I've seen, and I'm not saying that because I've been in one managed by him or ever intend to be.  But I'd gladly join one of his if it ever came to that.  He's selective about who he accepts, he's fair, he's competent, and from what I've seen he's generally a very nice guy.  That's a rare combination of positive traits, and you're a fucking idiot for slandering his good name.

You're also giving his employer(s) a backhanded slap by implying that they didn't know who they were hiring and selected someone who would smear their reputation.  I'm pretty sure they knew he was good and would not have picked a campaign manager with a damaged reputation--which Hhampuz does not have. 

TL;DR:  Fuck you.

We will bring evidence to demonstrate this particular member is always first to back up the people we wish to examine. He may be complicit in their actions and he himself now lecturing on using an alt account is guilty of using alt accounts himself to troll sig spam extra sig campaign dollars out of this board.

The evidence will perhaps demonstrate it is likely he himself who is untrustworthy, and perhaps it is suspicious that his account is always first to back up those we are going to examine on this thread for more serious and far more untrustworthy actions?

We will examine the evidence and for that we notice red trust already being applied to this account ?

We are untrustworthy for wishing to examine their past ?  
1056  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 04:09:54 PM

Why it now looks to me they all are the alt of a single person whose rants are lengthy post are missing now from Meta.
Surprisingly that poster did not posted in past couple of days.

Why it now looks to you all alt presented single rant person who missing meta now?
Surprisingly I look you didn't understanded your requires proof to insist on makes allegations?
If you must damaged my eye with your broken Englisher accusations please stop spamming your signature and getting paid to do it.
Unless you have some proofs that any of this accounts have alt account then stop claims that they are alts.

Which member did not posted in couple past days?



1057  Economy / Reputation / Hhampuz REAL Reputation Thread - Fortune Jack - Liars, scam pushers, extortion ? on: April 13, 2019, 03:59:38 PM
Does Hhampuz  knowingly choose to employ and sponsor people that are Liars, Scam pushers, trust abusers and those implicated in extortion schemes and other shady escrow deals ? whilst refusing people into these lucrative campaign deals on the basis of the opinions  of these liars, scammers, possible extortionists and trust abusers?

Are these probable  crooks and liars are able to red trust who they like, for whatever reason they decide, and even get those people banned for telling the truth about them?

Does Fortune Jack know about this and are they complicit in sponsoring the activities of those types of individuals that use their powers here as DT members and merit sources to silence those that try to whistle blow on them?

This will be the first of many threads started to examine the possible actions of campaign managers and their projects and their sponsorship of perhaps some of the most shady people on this entire board whilst refusing honest members merely on some red marks actual scammers and liars wish to put on their accounts. Or some silly merit score that they and their friends control a vast proportion of?

Before we present the evidence for public analysis. Let see what other members have to say. Posts will be deleted if not accompanied by evidence, off topic or deemed irrelevant by myself.

Perhaps any fake red trust applied to honest members accounts not directly related to scams and scamming should be removed? Why should honest members suffer at the hands of those that have committed far worse atrocities ? whilst they cream off the best deals for them selves and their friends?  Perhaps anyone that has been banned for simply whistle blowing or under some false pretense should be reinstated immediately?


Edit - we notice already that one of the possible liars, scammers and probable extortionists has tried to damage my account for merely asking for an investigation?

A clear violation of DT and another clear example of red trust being used to prevent any whilst blowing. They are perverting the very nature of the trust system.

This thread and many others will not be going away until red trust can no longer be used to silence whilst blowing. They fear examination of facts to such an extent they will try everything to prevent it taking place on a public board.  


1058  Other / Meta / Re: sockpuppets in meta lately on: April 13, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
Maybe you're retarded or maybe you just refuse to read. If you gloss over my thread, I literally call someone out for sending somebody 10 merits for a post that doesn't deserve to be merited.
Because it's a friend of yours you turn a blind eye.
JetCash explained what happened a few posts below how it came to the post being rewarded with 10 merits.
Ask yourself what is his motive in abusing the merit system in that way? He is a Legendary rank here, doesn't wear a signature and is not participating in any campaigns. He has several alt accounts, which is not against the rules and anyone is allowed to have them. All of them Member rank (I think) and none of them are in any campaigns either.

If he is not using his main account for profit, which could earn him the biggest payouts and probably five times more than a Member account, why would he be meriting his unknown alts, friends or selling his merits - I am not sure what exactly you are accusing him to do.

So without foul language, what exactly is the problem with JetCash?
 

He did not explain why he decided to give his pal merits just because he asked for them.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg49692389#msg49692389


I see merits given to this initial post. I see no PROOF than any of these accounts that are being accused of being sock puppets are sock puppets. May I see the proof.

It is the double standards of you and your friends here which there is clear proof of.


Do you have proof it was me who deleted posts?

Yes, yes, I understand this but do you have proof that it was me who deleted posts?

Post video proof of me pressing delete button and removing posts from account zorroback.

This is an accusation with no proof. You can not claim every new account that posts something you do not like is a sock puppet or alt account without evidence.
1059  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit abuse on: April 13, 2019, 03:21:44 PM
I don't remember the full details, but I do have trouble in finding good posts, and I decided to award 5 merits to the guy for starting the discussion. I thought it could become useful for those members who were considering starting a mining project to learn about Bitcoin. I still intend to do this myself, but I've got too much to sort out at the moment.

If somebody looks into the merit award, they will see that it is in fact 2 awards of 5 merits, and they were made within a one minute period. This was caused by problems with using McDonalds WiFi , and it has happened on several occasions. McDonalds has two channels on their WiFi. One has the ID of "O2" ( their service provider ), and the other is " McDonalds free WiFi". Periodically the current channel will disconnect, and then the computer will auto-connect to the alternative. If this happens at the time I award some merits, then the computer may resend the submission through the new connection. I'm guessing that the confirmation packet gets lost when the old channel disconnects, and this is why it retries. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can confirm this.

I don't think it is worth worrying about this glitch, it is fairly rare, and it just means that one member will be lucky and get a few extra merits.

Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.

Jetcash states he is starting a new club of those with 1000 earned merits. LFC_Bitcoin says he wants to have 1000 merits. Jetcash just gives him 5 for saying he wants more merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg49692389#msg49692389


1060  Other / Meta / Re: How a select few users of the forum finessed you all (NSFW) on: April 13, 2019, 03:07:19 PM
Consider this scenario.

A few users, powerful users use their influence to change the forum dynamics.
We see now where we have a merit system where it is set up that these powerful members decide who decides to rank up, particularly considering that these powerful users are awarded merit points out of thin air for nothing. I think you call them merit sources. Besides from merit sources, these powerful members constantly virtue signal by meriting each other for every half-arsed thread posted in  meta (or anywhere where they see each other post really). We now have a forum where only these powerful people and people who they like rank up.

When we take a look at high-ranked accounts that earn money from signature campaigns, there is a downward trend. The fact is that owners of these accounts sometimes leave the forum, or even die. Accounts may get banned or given negative trust for some reason. What happens here is that you have less high ranking members every day because people are leaving and because of how the powerful members I mentioned before operate, very few members rank up to take the positions of those gone.

The trouble starts when we realize that those high-ranked accounts are used to enter signature campaigns to make money.

To look everything over, these powerful members control the ranking system. A system where they themselves and people who they like rank up. Other high ranking members are eliminated from the scenario for reasons mentioned above.At the end of the day, we have only these high powerful members and their friends in the higher ranks of the forum. What happens is that only this select group are able to make any sort of money from their accounts.
It gets worse, these powerful members also run the campaigns. They are paid to pay their friends and people who they like. Because of the ever declining number of high ranking accounts, these campaigns in time will pay more as demand stays the same but supply decreases. This leads to campaign managers and campaign participants (Powerful members and people they like fall into both categories) being paid more.

Now all we see are people virtue signalling these powerful members (basically sucking their dicks digitally) to get on their good side and maybe have some merit sent their way.

Signatures should be banned on the forum, if companies are serious then they can bid for banner spots on the forum. This, unlike signature campaigns, will directly contribute to the development of the forum.

This seems to be a rather accurate assessment of the way things operate here. Although it is not the full picture. It is far more serious than this initial post recognizes.

I believe cryptohunter already detailed this in full here. He correctly stated that the subjective and practically meaningless merit scores and sources should be far removed from the other control system trust. It is quite terrible how they had him banned for posting the truth in response generally to their own viscous attacks upon him, that consisted of nothing other than lies and fabrications, then traced through his post history to find some 1 word posts, to provide excuse to finally get rid of him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.msg48852692#msg48852692

The initial post here clearly realizes the financial motivation to abuse the systems but does not take account of the far more serious implications for free speech. This should be the primary focus. The sig dollars are of secondary importance to ensuring a person can give their honest opinion without fearing their account is robbed of its credibility, and cast as a scammer.

I salute the OP here for continuing to voice their legitimate concerns regarding the ill conceived and broken "systems of control" that reward the abusers financially to crush free speech.




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