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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 11, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
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a) Instant transactions
b) Privacy features
c) Governance model
d) Self-funding that allows us to spend (at present levels) several million dollars per year on our own development or on integration with other businesses, etc.
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a) In BTC most transations that are in mempool are automatically confirmed so far by 10/10 my of my stores that i have used Steam/Bitgild/InPay
they don't wait for confirmation so i can fair say that Bitcoin transactions are INSTANT in use now. If company use bitpay as payment processor this is 100% true.
b) bitcoin also have their coin mixers - true that now that cost more
c) Governance model - it hard to say what is better because democracy is failed system it run in favor for those who have money to make them richer.
Bitcoin is truly decentralized this has its + and - . Big - is scaling problem big + is large resistance to any changes.
It is easier to shut down those 2000 master nodes than system not relaying on them.
Dash is going more in some kind more digital company path than real money.
If company is good Dash will rise like company it can get size like company like Paypal why not but that will be company at end.

d) Self-funding - you know this is for long debate but problem is that you will never know what project will be ok and how money will be used at end.
Bitcoin has no funding model and parties that are realing on businesses they are ordering features this is quite good because it is more efficient.
Dash vs Bitcoin are 2 kinds systems with BTC sellers/stores/services push fund features that will give them income while in DASH nodes votes for stuff for them good.
From my perspective Bitcoin model will be more efficient because people will never put own money on something that won't give return while in Dash you have pool of cash that you have to spend and you look for project to FUN it can be scam or not. This is like EU donations to special projects god this is just money sing and people are wasting money.
Personally I don't believe that Dash system will be more efficient than bitcoin because BTC have more decentralized system of funding.
In Bitcoin end users have motivation to improve BTC while in DASH masternodes owners have mostly motivation in improve coin whatever that means.
If masternode owners will be masterminds they will blow up BTC if not they will fuck up at some point.

We will see in 4years how it will end and will DASH be top coin or after that real pump will be forgotten like LTC Sad... Good luck guys.

PS: From more moral reasons I would keep away from Dash (that instamine part)
742  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: [ANN] [ICO] TaaS: Token-as-a-Service | Zamknięty fundusz inwestycyjny on: March 11, 2017, 02:54:29 PM
Taas: Token-as-a-Service Nagrody w kampanii reklamowej:


Taas: Token As service oficjalnie ogłasza kampanię reklamową z nagrodami.
Za pomoc w promowaniu naszego TOKENA możesz zbierać nagrody w postaci tokenów TAAS.

Całkowita suma tokenów przeznaczonych to 2% całej puli tokenów ale nie maniej niż 100 000 (równowatość 100 000$).
Pula nagród może zostać powiększona jeśli zajdie taka potrzeba.


Pula nagród zostanie podzielona następująco:

1: nagrody za Facebook : 10K Taas Tokens

2: nagrody za Twitter : 10K Taas Tokens

3: nagrody za Email/Website Subscriber Bounty: 5K Taas

4: nagrody za  sygnaturki forum: 30K Taas

5: nagrody za blogi i inne multimedia: 20K Taas

6: nagrody za tłumaczenia: 20K Taas

7: nagrody za dołaczenie do grypy na Slack: 5K Taas

Aktywne kampanie:



1: Zapisanie do listy mailingowej:

Podążaj za nowościami i trendami w sprzedaży tokenów TaaS.
Po dołączeniu do listy mailowej bedzie dostawał najnowsze wiadomości co się dzieje z projectem i ICO.
Dołącz do listy używając strony www.

Suma nagród: 5K Taas Tokenów


Aby dostać nagrodę udaj się na stronę: http://taas.fund/
zasuskrybuj "newslater" i wypełnij formularz:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe4R13rZbwBNIg2orhTatFnkMpwjerC0t9EPNKR0Ki-TeeF8Q/viewform

Do bounty można dołączyć TYLKO PRZED STARTEM ICO !!!


2:Kampania na Twitterze :

10K Taas Tokenów będzie podzielone miedzy uczestników:

Podążaj za kontem TaaS na Twitterze i aktywnie współpracuj z rozprzestrzenianiem wieści o naszej akcji przez polubienia, twity i inne akcje.

Stake/stakes - to taki udział/udziały w kampanii, proporcjonalnie do nich będziesz odbierał nagrody.

Payment: 5 Stakes na tydzień.

Wymagania:
Musisz podążać za: https://twitter.com/TaaSfund
Urzytkownik musi miec co najmniej 100 prawidziwych "folołersów" aby dostac cotygodniowy udział.


Dołącz tutaj: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf92fuvbM0lDuMOgKNn0p1ccSs4iVwelZREYG4GyyvLCJ4lxQ/viewform

Status sprawdzisz tu: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_GbbP7OM5--lgCmxVVK-L9XGjCcUXZnR8KHGvh_W-J0/edit#gid=652418652


3:  kampania na Facebook :

10K TaaS tokenów podzielimy na uczestników:


Daj "Like"  Oficjalnej stronie TaaS na Facebook i pomóż promoć TaaS w social media.
Dziel się wiadomościami TaaS ze znajomymi.

Zapłata to : 5 Stakes na tydzień

Wymagania:

1: Polubić oficjalną stronę na facebooku: https://www.facebook.com/taasfund
2: Musisz posiadać co najmniej 50 prawdziwych przyjaciół aby otrzymać płatność,


Dołacz do kampanii: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEtM4j8Vp3Yl7E_oXBRIZrTasb1E_dm1SpahVhruysn-8jdw/viewform

Sprawdź swój status: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IYoSBsAjjoCtSpuLGDGuq_rSr0Tf7z0DCwacXO7hJ68/edit?usp=sharing


4: Blogi i inne multimedia:

Napisz dobry artykół o TaaS na swoim blogu i zrecenzuj projekt własnymi słowami.Umięśc go na swoim blogu, albo stwórz wideo recenzję albo prezentację o TaaS (token as Service) i zarób tokeny TaaS

Całkowita suma na kampanie to: 20K TaaS Tokenów.

Wymagania co do artykułów:

1: Artykół/Blog/recenzja musi zawirac co najmniej 500 słów... Artykóły z mniejszą ilością słów nicz 500 nie będą akcetowane .
2: Pisz włąsnymi słowami nie kopiuj nie plagiatuj bo zostaniesz zdyskwalifikowany z kampanii.
3: Twój artykół musi zawierac co najmnie dwa linki do: http://taas.fund/
4: Twoj Blog, Strona musi być związana z krypto.
5: Musisz dodać swój Bitcointalk Profile pod swoim artykułem. (blogi bez profilu na bitcointalk nie będą akceptowalne)


Wymagania co do Media/Wideo :

1: Wideo musi mieć conajmniej 2minuty
2: Wideo musi być w dobrej rozdzielczości
3: Video Must Describe TaaS Project, and its feature, Wideo musi opisywać TaaS Project i jego właściwości.
4: Można urzywać Youtube Dailymotion albo innych platform.
5:Musisz dodać swój Bitcointalk Profile pod swoim artykułem. (media/widea bez podpiętego profilu na bitcointalk nie będą akceptowalne)

Wsyztkie blogi i inne media bedą podzielone na trzy grupy według jakości:

1: Normalny: 10 Stakes,

3: Średni: 30 Stakes

4: Dobry: 50 Stakes



Podpinaj swoje artykuły tutaj: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeUIssmyX0kxmgLM30bbpQlMr9furp-5CCPHOkZ1-PzOITpXA/viewform

Sprawdź status artykułów tutaj:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mfoi3Di7f_ZomK1c1eQer-YhtTCp1RyTiXLVtNOeqo0/edit?usp=sharing


Dołącz swoje wideo Video tutaj:  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdXRjYny82MeoMLxKoT6LP8DKTjMThJv7Zam7juws6x9J1yww/viewform

Sprawdź status tutaj: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L2QtyJ4CAR3LpscYd2PctNJ-vkBZkyJpVnUQnP9nd-M/edit?usp=sharing




5: Nagroda za tłumaczenia:


Przetłumacz głowny post na obce jenzyki oraz
moderuj wątek dla nagród.

Suma to 25K Taas Tokenów na nagrody za tłumaczenia:


Nagrody będą następujące:

Tłumacznie wątku: 100 Stakes

Moderacja tematu to: 5 Stakes na post

Zasady:

1: Tłumaczenie musi być oryginalne zakaz urzywania tranlatorów i innych botów
2: Spamowanie nie jest dozwolone - posty ze spamu nie bedą się liczyć.
3: Tłumaczenie musi byc na bierząco aktualizowane



Uwaga: Pliki PSD nie są dostępne,musisz je preedytowć samemu.



Dodaj tłumaczenie tu:  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSftBAcMvX0w8eD9FIokGTjqHNztzQYsK3Owx4XvuBUvhk9R7w/viewform

Sprawdz swoje tłumaczenie tu: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-2j45hf5o3tNSKuUgszM8Pd35besRFeVYoopezA1AM/edit#gid=1966482828


Zarezerwowane tłumaczenia:

Vietnames  By Watanabe1505 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888872)
Portugues By   Raxitto  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=882660)
Hindi by btvGainer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=550869)
German By dadingsda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=343883)
Spanish: by th3nolo ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=870608)
Phlipino by jwiz168 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152828)
Dutch by HarryKPeters (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=510700)
Italian by davide72 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539767)
Romanian by ltcrstrbrt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=214323)
Russian by targetmlrd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=895458)
Malayalam by ether19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881739)



Skończone tłumaczenia:
Indonasian: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1785193.0 By: kamvreto  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=516369





6: Kampania z sygnaturkami forum.
Zapraaszamy do uczestnictwa


Dozwolone dla rang: od Jr member do Legendary:

"Signature Campaign" Budżet:
30K TaaS tokenów (Równe około 30 Bitcoinów) zarezerwoane dla uczestników
Płatność bedziezależała od udziałów "stakes"
Struktura płątności:

Jr Member i Member: 1 Stake/Week
Full i Sr Member: 2 Stakes/Week
Hero i Legendary Member: 2.5 Stakes/Week

Full Members i powyżej mogą zarobić: 0.5 Stakes za noszenie Awatara
Dołącz wypeniając formulaż: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4lq45NsgNlpa112aCCdBnIo3v06CxauH5Zs4PhDCkmI-6CA/viewform

Sprawdz status: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pU7TFnLLeQ1y0tiUsjYuYoxoNzN2mZvC7SKYCp8R1Qk/edit?usp=sharing





Warunki i zasady kampani:

1: Uczestnik z rangą powyżej Jr Member aby mógł dołączyć do kampanii.
2: czestnik musi nosić cały czas awatar i sygnaturke aż do ( 27th kwietnia) ,usuniecie sygnaturki w między czasie spowoduje susunięcie z kampani.
3: Urzytkownik musi napisac 100 sensownych postów podczas kampanii.
4: Posty muszą mieć sens i odnosić sie do tematów, spam i oftopic nie bedzie się liczył.
5: Posty maja mnieć co najmniej 75 znaków.
6: Uczestnik nie może mnieć negatywnego "trust".
7: Ustaw "Personal Text": http://taas.fund  (opcjonalnie)


Awatar:
http://imgur.com/a/rE97I





Podpisy forum:


Jr Member
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7: Slack/Telegram magrody:
5K Taas Token jest przeznaczone na kampanie na Slacku i Telegramie


Szczegóły:

Dołącz do projektu TaaS na slack oraz telegramie. Dołaącz do kanału i zarób 1 Taas Token (1$) za kazdy nowy przesłany news odnośnie TaaS

Dołącz na Slack tutaj: https://taasfund.signup.team/

Dołącz na Telegram tutaj: https://t.me/taasfund


Dołacz do kampani wypełniając formularz:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScwa8DfH7jeZAmJbBMkmSJM5e6mzOy1bbg1ZG3bqWLsVhahpw/viewform


Lista: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15g2x9lAOIHyZFwEZezdUI92w3ibh7M8HKjot6wbbexw/edit?usp=sharing

Zasady i warunki:

1: Musisz być członkiem kanału aż do wyłaty nagród.
2: Płatnmość zostanie zwolniona jak się skończy ICO i bedą wypłącane nagrody.
3: Zachowuj sie mile na kanałach.
743  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / [ANN] [ICO] TaaS: Token-as-a-Service | Zamknięty fundusz inwestycyjny on: March 11, 2017, 02:54:06 PM


Wyprzedaż tokenów rozpocznie się: 27 marca 2017 - 27 kwietnia 2017


jest to tłumaczenie oficjalnego tematu na bitcointalk.org:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775766.0
744  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Kopanie [POS] Na Serwerach VPS on: March 11, 2017, 02:50:54 PM
No te które ja bd kopać to z tego co mi powiedziano najlepiej jakbym miał portfele włączone 24/7
i też tak właśnie zamierzam zrobić Wink

A powiedz mi o co chodzi z tą stroną poswallet ?
Dorzucasz swoje monety do 1 puli i kopiesz wspólnie z innymi użytkownikami a zysk jest dzielony procentowo czy jak to wygląda ?

Jak każdy taki serwis w krypto pewnie szybciej zdechnie niż będzie działał nie masz na kompie to niemasz , tak samo jak z giełdami kolego.
Ogarnij sobie rasberypi albo jakis inny minikomputer i na tym coś odpal.
Ewentualnie dodaj sobie do autostartu portefle POS w kompie i tak taniej Cię wyjdzie.
VPS pod POS to strata kasy wg. mnie POS monety zdychają za szybko Smiley

Chociaż Blackcoin to może z sentymentu bym postawił Smiley
745  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: [ANN] [TRST] [TOKEN SALE] WeTrust.io PLATFORMA OSZCZĘDNOŚCIOWO UBEZPIECZENIOWA on: March 11, 2017, 02:45:01 PM
Tak szczerze to byłem na sygnaturki tu napalony ale jak napisali że 5000BTC im aż nadto starczy to pomyślałem j.bać to Cheesy.
Co jak co ale platforma z oszczedzaniem w krypto to poprostu PONZI Cheesy... jak nasz ZUS nawet w to się nie wczytuję by widzieć że to sie nie nadaje do krypto.
746  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: POW vs POS Co lepsze ? on: March 11, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
Tak jak w temacie
Co waszym zdaniem jest lepsze i się bardziej opłaca długoterminowo ?

Jeśli POS to tylko systemy z masternodami i moneta z sensownymi dweloperami.
Np NEM był okej sego czasu obecnie to dość drogo wychodzi postawić masternoda za 150 tys.
Kopanie jest tragiczne dla 99% z nas CHinczyki mają sprzęt i tanią energie nie jesteś w stanie z nimi konkurować.
Koparkę od nich dostaniesz jak się już do kopania nie nadaje i się nie zwróci.
Bitcoin , Litecoin są opanowane przez kartele.
POS jest wg mnie bardziej sensowny bo bardziej energooszczędny a ma podobny poziom zabezpieczenia sieci.
POS jest też bardziej zdecentralizowany gdy masz monetę na WIELU giełdach a nie tak że 90% leży na bittrex Cheesy
aby sprzedać na czas.
W tych systemach tylko masternode jak DARKcoin czy tam dash się sprawdza jak widać nowi frajerzy kupują z 1000 monet
i czekają na kolejnych.Po DASH widać że można łądnie zarobić na czyms takim.
Z POS to zarobek jest tak marny że aż podchodzić się nie chce.

Długoterminowo opłaca się bardziej POS bo nie obciąża Ci kompa odpalasz z autostartu portfele POS nie żrą mocy i pasywnie CI kasa wllatuje.
Ale praktycznie wszytkie POS monety zdechły PPC, BLK, NXT...
Z POW to jeszce nie zaczołeś a już w piżdzie jestes na prądzie z LTC BTC jak masz dostep do prądu w pracy klatce shodowej za darmo to POW jest ok Smiley
Jak nie to tylko POS z tym że monety POS ludzie czesto szybko mają w dupie więc żal to kupować Smiley
747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 11, 2017, 11:24:20 AM
Looks like the SEC decision is boosting ICN
Obvious people were looking for profits so they were betting ETF approval BTC price up and buyback more ICN later.
key is word "later" that later was in case of ICN 1h Cheesy from 21k to 29k Smiley

Now price ICN with falling BTC will consolidate and jump Smiley up no BTC jump no new people coming into BTC.
Many people don't believe in ICONOMI like most ICOs but once ICONOMI will deliver good stuff people will flow in.
Now we are selling "promises" good product will be worth a lot more IMO.


PS: SEC wrote that they need regulate BTC to approve ETFs so it will take some time
748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: (JWL) JEWELS 🔷 HEROES LAUNCHED 🔷 1ST JWL USE CASE 🔷 TRADING ON BITTREX on: March 10, 2017, 10:34:27 PM
***
Trello updated as well with latest implementations - https://trello.com/b/FUKn6T3T/jewels-dev

Thanks for update Smiley
I respect that you are doing a lot for Ingame events and make players happy.
So i am waiting for that:
"budgeting spreadsheet for additional clarity and tracking."
749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
This rejection is the best for ICN.
Now all eyes are focused again on Altcoins so perfect time to do some marketing for ICN.

If they succeed in launching by the end of the month. Than all the timing is perfect. (However I do value quality > fast delivery low quality product).
So take the time you need ICN team for developing! But if the platform is ready than this is the perfect time to ride the wave!



Agree bro that is good news in short period in long view i think that ICONOMI would even benefit more form approval in long run.

looking at recent trades ICN price recovered in 15min hahaha... from 21k >29k
As I told is hard to be faster before speculators on train, but people never learn.


"21:45:02 +00:00   buy   ฿0.000295   1,700.00000000"
vs
20:38:34 +00:00   sell   ฿0.000216   1,713.26142662

Now people can ask how/why ICN price recovered 33% in a hour ?
Answer: Becouse this is good solid project with good team behind that is why.
750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 09:43:48 PM
***
now ICN platform is the way to go.. LOVE IT!
or that one link about INFO Smiley

https://news.bitcoin.com/sec-rejects-rule-change-for-bitcoin-etf/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
And Kraken is close to unusable at the moment. Again.

That is why i not gamble with my precious ICNs Cheesy now try hoop on ICN bang wagon again before take off in reasonable price.
752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 05:55:46 PM
We have strong buy support at 0.000212. Someone placed a buy order for 100K ICN at that price. Won't go below 0.0002000 I bet.

Or is that a fake buy wall   Roll Eyes

you can't fight with market trend but that guy can buy some cheap ICNs at 21k.
Iconomi have in pocket about around 20 000 BTC now so selling below 20k can happen,
but will be heavily corrected by market over time.
Now if ETFs will be approved BTC will go vertical up and some people will sell ICNs.
On ETF pump people can go irrational and sell assets below fair value.
For me ICONOMI minimum fair value in BTC pump is around 20 000sat this is just BTC assets/number of tokens backed by it.
IO see that developers are hard working guys so we will see how it goes.
I am not best at chasing trains so I can wait here on my time.
753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
I see the price is holding steady. A few days ahead will be fun.

What I'm waiting for is the way ALtcoins market would react to the Bitcoin ETF, rejected which is likely and approval.  

With both scenario ICN can go up but not at same time.
1)ETH postpone it will cause BTC price drop and will make ICN go up ICN looks stable in ~30m market cap area.
People will look again at innovation crypto shares with good development and see here ICOCNOMI.
ICONOMI is building good mark on financial sphere and will grow massively after platform will be ready.
2)ETF will be approve this is bad shot therm scenario because people will pump BTC into heaven makes ICN hover around 22000sat area.
ICN will bleed in that BTC rise like any other alt but at some point when BTC will be over pumped smart money will flow to next big thing I can see are crypto ETFs
*** yes do you remember those waves few years ago ? Blackcoin goes with POS and massive pump then copy cats goes viral Cini,Whitecoin,pingcoin…
Then anon waves 1st monero then dark/dash clock SD XC bitcoinDark
New comers interesting in news in crypto (finding ICONOMI CEO writing for big boys) can find out that ICN can be good project and once people will find out that BTC is too late they will rush to best alts Cheesy
Once ETFs will be approved hype will move to ICOCONOMI because their business model will be approved sooner or later even in US.

PS: Price of ICONOMI can got to low because they hold about 10 000BTC for running company + 10 000 BTC in crypto assets so guys play smart in incoming days.

Will be fun rally if ETFs buble will be created I think that ICONOMI will at end profit from that the most.
You should be on board before all takes over I am just saying ^^

754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 10, 2017, 07:27:51 AM
When is the next big release?

there i no certain date so far.
They just promised to add more and more people to beta but no dates which is smart becouse you have to fix bugs/exploits on way.
They will add people when they fix some current problems i am sure.
ONE date was on road map "platform in 2017" for sure.

PS: If you think that platform for managing millions of $ in cash will be delivered within month you are lying yourself maybe that part with ICNX will be but they have to be sure its secure that is main reason why is that taking long.
Some guys are tweaking stuff and fixing others are trying hack/exploit.
755  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: March 09, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
***Because the popularity of cryptocurrencies especially bitcoin is increasing.

Not really i don't see new friends using BTC as i was alone i am still alone with BTC knowledge and usage.
Current price was driven by ETF hype and covered PoBC once ETF is rejected you will see BTC price dropping like rock.
BTC without solution to transaction times will not last in Bull forever
To find new fool to buy bitcoin new people have to come into BTC since BTC is having scaling problem it can bounce of that wall and wall.
And look how stupid it is people come to Bitcoin because price is rising not because needed in real life.
So if price stops rising they will leave a party because bitcoin can not be scaled.

BTC devs calls alts test nets Cheesy... and they can not take long term decisions before hitting a rock (blocksize limit) we are at wall look :
https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

In last month we are hitting 1MB wall without any change that will cause bear market
maybe that is needed for miners/developers to change their minds and moves forward.
In biology those who can't evolve and suits to living conditions are not worth living like dinosaurs or outdated companies.
If bitcoin won't change it will end dead.

PS: If you want keep store of value status for bitcoin and cut of currency part it will make less demand for Bitcoin, less demand = lower price, lower price = less speculators want join in , no speculators = no store of value at end. Cheesy - I now that chain is long but true.
756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 09, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
***
For example if you trade bitcoin for ethereum, you must pay taxes on any gains you made from that trade.
***

I look at that in different way - my gain doesn't exist till I have Fiat from it.

Your statement is like because you have used bike instead of taxi or rented jet.
You saved that way lets say 20$/1000$ you should pay tax from that income.

So as you say:

"For example if you trade bike ride for jet fly, you must pay taxes on any gains you made from that trade."

My IRS wanted tax companies using Linux they wanted VAT equal of Microsoft Windows because they were not using Windows and got gains.
Some tax offices are just more than ridiculous and you spend years in court to prove your rights.

You can pay tax from trades ETH/BTC but I will never do that until I convert that crypto for Fiat,
because my gains have to be proven by market.
757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 09, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
****
My take is that with ICN, you have to report dividends to the government and pay taxes on them. But with ICNX, you do not have to pay taxes on them until you sell them.

Good joke man for me. Where those ICNs are rigged to one person Smiley ? Or where on ETH network any token have owner ?
As you see is IMPOSSIBLE to tax you directly. In EU that works that way you have to sell crypto to fiat make bank transfer and then you report income and pay tax. ICN like ICNX are same in matter of taxation till you sell your dividend for ETH for fiat USD/Euro you have earned 0.
Unrealized profit is not real profit in crypto until you will find fiat buyer you can not say you earned anything.
ICNX and ICN are same in taxation - in my country gains come when you capitalize in fiat profit not by just keeping it.

In stock market people are avoiding keeping cash on account at end of fiscal year they buy stock report 0 income then they sell next day to keep fiat in broker account until you move money in fiat out of stock market you have 0 to pay. This is good tactic in tax dodging.
Besides of that in EU there are countries where you have 0% capital gains Tongue like Estonia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax

But every country is different while your ICN on your ETH wallet are not bound to anyone - but I don't stop you for paying if you really want.
758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 09, 2017, 03:43:24 PM
***

What I cannot decide is whether ICNX will be more valuable than ICN and if I should sell all my ICN to buy ICNX

Decisions...Decisions.....



ICNX will not pay dividend is for another type of investment.
its like buy gold and sit on it vs buy company and get profit+ company value.
If company have good fundamentals and growing market it will grow in value over time vs gold.
If company works with old technology like TV vs internet portals it is obvious it will lose value over time.
If i would compare ICONOMI i would look at it like on Microsoft/Apple that were trying do things with new technology.
ICNX is like gold you hold it but that is not working alone.
Since mining is not bet option for anyone today holding crypto share can be something to go to get income.
There risk everywhere.
759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 09, 2017, 12:45:29 PM


Someone in slack mentioned  a new round of beta testers will get access

6.5m$ without ICOs ? or that somehow include ICOs but those are not listed?
ICOs: Byteball/Golem/Sentiel ?
760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 09, 2017, 12:29:20 PM
***
You know, all about 10000 btc ico funding went into investment fund icnp.

money funded over 10000 BTC goes to ICNP that is 6000BTC
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