make sure to use a miner like cg miner which can lower the memory speed alot to keep the cards cooler
because you will notice the extreme heat coming from them
and i would watch them closely for some time before they overheat
because business machine models are not the best cooled cases

I have had several cards i used to run alot which died or has been failing somehow
The issue is did overclock damage it or the constant stress from running almost 24/7
The problem is actually you never can say if they would have died with or without the constant stress
Overclock code N = non, L = Low ( 5 to 45 Mhz), M = (45 - 100 Mhz) and H= High (higher then 100 Mhz or more)

Nvidia 6800 GT, N, usage: Physx and gaming about 12 hours a day the hottest card i ever owned ( 123 C)
Nvidia 8800 GTX, L, usage : distributed computing 24/7, suddenly burned down
Nvidia 9600 GT, L, usage : physx + Distributed computing, from scratch gave artifacts slowly died
Nvidia 280 GTX, N, usage :physx _distributed computing, burned down
Nvidia 440 GT, L, bitcoin, died yesterday 4 months old
Ati 4830, H, usage: distributed computing, slowly ran every month lower clocks till sudden dead.
Ati 4890, N , usage : distributed computing, i think the enormous heat damaged it ( 112 C) still worked but xfx replaced

Another thing some cards at start i had made huge overclocks but in time i constant had to lower the overclocks since they give artifacts or crash at the previous settings
I had 4 x 4850 which ran at very high overclocks but slowly began to decay in speed at the end they hardly went above stock speeds.

I somehow find the ati cards however giving me much more stable cards if you keep them stock speeds.
Only one ati died out of 27, compared to nvidia 5 out of 8  

Well the weird thing is i have been seeing 3 times 1 blocks in the time i solo mined with your program
But all this time and even now when i almost closed down mining for the costs i still have not received any +50 coins
I do notice constant new blocks being added to the local pool, does that mean those blocks are solved somewhere else ?
But i also seem to have problems with phoenix and rpcminer-cuda.exe
Phoenix does not connect at all on all my pc/gpu combinations while almost all other programs work fine.

It somehow is not able to connect to any servers local or in pools, now i did test phoenix ouside your program also but could not get it to work either (version 1.6.2 and 3). So it probably is something with phoenix
Or i certainly have no clue how to get it to work on your program
With rpc-miner-cuda i have the following problem with the guiminer it simply does not report anything at all
hashes/ blocks whatever nothing is shown it just shows Mhash/s on the right down under thats it ... nothing more nothing less
So even if a pool block is found nothing is being displayed.
Now i could try out an opencl one but ofcourse that is much and i mean MUCH slower then its cuda counter part on this super slow card we talk about 16 to 17 Mh/s on opencl and 20 to 21 on rpc-cuda
 

When i ran solo on my local system i saw 3 times a block reported by my clients but untill today never received any rewards for them
So i wonder why if it really was the block paying 50 coins i never receive them...
Does anyone know when you receive the reward for a done block or should it get received instant after the client reported a done block.

I have looked at that solution and is appealing but for me at the moment not an option

True but this makes it even harder since the payements are much lower so getting even on these pools will take a lot more power and time. I earned at this pool 0.12 BTC a day..... to compare i made at bitclockers about 0.21 btc

I think pool hoppng is damaging to bitcoin in general, the ones hopping benefit ofcourse but it discourage others to tip in.

I am still truggling to get from the electricity companies the real price per kWh. I was under the impression it was E 0.23 but then i got another bill and 5 more later on all different periods and aimed at making it hard to calculate exact what you must pay.

Would you believe me they still not given the real price till today.... so its either E 0.44 or 0.34 but every company i wrote still have not answered the question proper.
They simply refuse to give straight answer... but in coming weeks i should receive the bill over the last year, funny enough even though the woman could see the total she refused to tell me the amount .....
Our country is a tax/governement hell you pay tax over and over again by that i mean they count tax over electra and then add energy tax , then they add transport costs, meter costs, and at the end they let yoy pay another 20% over the total.


I did the maths as well, simple said i do not have a 3x 5970 rig, it would be even very hard to find one at all or they ask very high prices
And even if i would find them i do not have the money, so yes i had some fun doing this but its a very expenssive hobby.


First of all when i came into contact with bitcoin it was hovering at $8 untill some people spread fear into the community again by stating that mt.gox takes their bitcoins and more of this bad news. Which made it even fall deeper in short time its like the financial markets one starts yelling and tons of people start selling out.
Now this is a statement about failing business is which i really do not understand nor support, these days its really hard to do a succesfull business. At this moment i would not dare to start one just because you have to compete against the big multinationals ...
Even if you setup something good its darn hard to keep it alive because of taxes and enormous competition from the bigger chains
... every shop owner i know went out of business because the big chains slowly take over.
We all shop at the supermarkets which are probably all owned by the quote 500 people, the small retailers disappear because these giants taking out any and all competition. The only shops who still can stay alive are in the service types (barber, dentist or whatever)
Even farmers flee our country and goto either canada or australia because they simply get nuts of governement rules and taxes

Now you can say you can start a internet business ... lol even a bigger joke..
You can only succeed if you have a new concept or super idea.. if not forget it you simply can not compete with the big ones which are established.
I look every day at a site which sell stuff from bankrupt or ending companies the list is huge and every day growing bigger.
The current neverending profit model economy is just good for the biggest and rich who can afford to loose some.
Another thing which for me made a huge impact is that 12 years ago, i was having a rather good life
I could drive a new car , go on holiday, have some quality time in some nice restaurants, bars and other good things in life. Then we entered the eu.... and since that most of the people i know life to pay the bills ...
Some things got cheap indeed electronic shit enough and cheap as hell but i can not eat that... for instance i saw a watermelon (5 kg) at the grocer costs 24 euro .... thats half the money we have weekly for living left after the major bill get payed.

Yes the energy, water, taxes (demanded by law), insurances (demanded by law), health care (demanded by law) and last but not least our house (1000 euro a month rent cause we earned 2 euro too much for get into the cheap houses) these alone eat nowadays 70 % of our double income and we can do shit about it.
In most cases if you stop paying you get the nice guys at your doorstep and you end up in even bigger problems. And we consider ourselfs normal earning people, these days more and more people end up living under bridges and such or making an end on their lifes just because they can no longer pay the greed from governements, insurance, banks and multi nationals.
On paper the banks, water, energy, insurance companies are private.
But look a bit closer on who owns the most shares you'll see ... in our country most of the time 50% or more is owned by the governements in whatever form...
So yes i try to find a way to increase my income a bit, and since bitcoin is a concept i really like i took a look into it.
The guy who introduced me to bitcoin forgot to mention he does not pay his own electra bills.

All my money which i spend on securing my old days have been stolen by my lovely governement as well, or has been vaporised by the all the fraud and crisis over crisis the failing and greedy bankers which still pay huge bonusses these days. They still live large on our stolen money which they got from again the same governements...

Now even though i loved being here and did like the concept of mining i have to turn off my machines completely
Even while i think some day bitcoins will get a better value again, for now its absolute insanity to go on
Especially since people like you keep cheating like many others do, it is in my view still stealing you can say whatever you like but in my view if you do this your probably also would do criminal activities in the real world.

For me that is simply out of the question, i simply refuse to be like modern politicians and criminals that is lie and cheat as much as possible to gain as much as possible.

Second reason why i am going to pull the plug is because i simply am loosing tons of money here
I have been running my pc's for some weeks now and when i connected the power meter got a shock
This results in a heavy electric bill which is 0.34 euro cents a kwh in last 4 days i used 83 kwh to get 0.8 btc ....
So simple calculation it costs me 28,22 euro just on electricity to receive 0,81 btc x 3,55 = 2,8755 euro
So in short it costs 10 times more on electricty to mine just that little bit of bitcoins
Since i have nothing to trade this is also no go for me as well, i can't help being poor and being honest.
So for now i really am going to turn my systems off to save a lot of energy, hoping for better times on here in the near future.
Non of the rich guys on bitcoin did make me a donation at all to buy some solar panels to lower my energy bill xD
And honestly probably never will get any donations, since too many just too greedy to help fellow people.

To make long story short i will keep an eye on the forums and for now goodbye

Sadly i have same payement issue as well as like 15 or more others as i saw on irc
Untill now not a response from anyone.


Well somehow i get the idea that all pools are affected by the hoppers
I have no clue if it can really can be prevented, all pools i checked have this
The one i checked now at start i see about 100 to 500 more users for a (500.000 shares) short time and suddenly the numbers drop again. After it reaches (900.000) shares i see a difference of 100-400 workers left and the Ghash/s dropped accordingly
So i guess many still found a way to fool the pools in someway

I see some extreme low Mhash/s i have about 520-620 MH/s running but i see between 360 and 420 Mhash being reported by the site for a while now so what gives
This is a extreme difference in numbers especially that one is on the site only showing 33% of its real Mhash/s done. Real Mhash 79-82 Mhash site  34 - 37 Mhash ......

Ill add my mini miners to the pool and see if i get some of the insane electric bill back or have to end mining at all

Sadly although the pool runs kinda stable.
I am getting sick of seeing almost double users when the units are under 1,000,000 blocks
So even though its possible i hate these darn poolhoppers
For this i will keep searching one who has a solution against those thiefs.

Solved it myself and no Sekioh sorry it was just not working with older drivers.

I was running catalyst 10.10 driver so today i downloaded 11.9 since i needed the support for a game issue

And guess what, poof the --gpu-engine 850-950 function worked on both my ati rigs.

The 5870 instant jumped to the max which caused a gpu error screen

So i lowered the setting to one which i knew did function some time ago with very low memory speeds ( 920 core 450 memory )

And my 4770 shows a massive increase when i set it to run at 910 - 400 it even seem to run fine with 950 but lol i am not sure if thats wise xD
But for such a slow card it really does well doing up to 97 MH/s

I tried with poclbm but it does not come near the performance of cgminer, just a little more stales popping up.
And somehow pocblm lost the connect with the server which i not have seen on cgminer yet

Still leaves a question on the side of developer when a core error appears should the program not try to lower the clocks the next time it starts/restarts ?


 

This far i think its a nice program but the auto-engine seems to fail
Manually had my 5870 set to its basic clocks at 850 core 1200 memory
When i add the parameters for core 850-950 and memory 450 nothing happens when i watch over time with gpu-z it keeps running at the speed it started with so no change at all
Now i certain this card can run at 890 Mhz but i have not seen any increase... maybe i am missing something here

I tried to get this running but constant crashes on Exception in thread "main"java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no lwjgl in java.library.path

So in short gold colored paint, but it looks nice though
Silver or Gold coins would trigger attention from governements and can not be freely traded, especially gold is not allowed these days
Some people was thinking of walking over our border with 200 krugerrands mounted in their jackets and belts....
And guess who has the gold now .... indeed the governement, so i do not expect such coins have an actual gold plating and to be honest you do not want that either.

I think for those who want to start with a pool there is probably alot more behind the scene
To me it sounds good but at present for me its no use to enter the mining at all, with current energy prices.
I think when either bitcoins get more profitable or a solution can be found to lower energy costs i probably would be willing to go into your offer.
You biggest problem is that at this moment interrest in bitcoin is low and will stay that for a while untill trust has been restored
Again i see future in bitcoins if more companies adopt it and gets clear how governements will act on them later.

Seriously i do not think a big portion of miners really left, but am certain many are waiting to bitcoin become profitable for them again.
I am fairly new to this but when i saw what my 5870 brings in 10 minutes i already knew it was not going to be impressive
The friend who asked me to see this, said to me that you should run it about a day or so to get a block.
Which would give me some higher gain.... and according to him he got 1 block about every day giving him something near 1.xxxx btc
After 40+ hours running in a pool i made the super big amount of 0,21 BTC and non block ever showed up.
I only see the top guys scoring up to hundred or more blocks

But for beginners like me its impossible to get even a tiny profit in the current state, because even while many miners are inactive or left the difficulty is still darn high to give people like me a change

But now comes the fun with the current price of electricity in our country we pay that company a fortune.
And for what to receive 1/10 the value i spend and probably even a lot less
So i constant am amazed people dare to say that mining is profitable, except the ones living in a country where the cost of electricity is still low (usa)
I am certain that non of the people in england/germany/netherlands/belgium are loosing money when mining if they would do it
Ofcourse the old school miners who made a fortune at the start of the bitcoin did, or the ones who setup a pool benefit probably pretty well here.
Others who have tons of money probably can risk trading, but again i am not one of them who can do that
So only those who do not pay the electricity bill themselfs can make some profit but when mom/dad finds out they won't be happy.

Well i have my fair share on nvidia and ati cards i even had some 4890 cards running and those where extreme hotheads
We measured at some days even 105 c which is even for that card a considerable heat but it actually never failed
Nevertheless when i contacted XFX about these cards running such high temps they offered to rma the cards
I talked alot with XFX and EVGA about maximum temps of certain models and the rule is for a videocard its ok to run around 90c for longer periods with some peaks to about 100c but this should not last long, the cooler you can keep your cards the longer they will live.
Another thing even though some think it is not good to have very high temps on some spots on motherboards/videocards there are actually chips who are made to run at extreme heat.
I remember a chip near the northbridge running a constant 140c asking the builder confirmed it was designed to even run at 180c so even though it scared the hell out of us its is not allways a bad thing.

Now back to videocards the most important rule i have about them is keep them clean, basically i allways clean the cards fan every month from dust and use canned air to blow dust of the internal heatsink so it keeps having a free airflow.

Now my experience is that i get a good drop in temps when you run the ram at low speeds 300Mhz will do fine on most modern cards and cause they are almost all gddr5 do keep at low speeds enough power left to run smooth.
And to answer your question, yes dropping the core speed will reduce some of the power consumption also

Now on the fact that the nvidia lovers like to say those cards are better then amd are simply wrong. Amd its cards has much higher quality components then the nvidia counterparts no matter what some say.
Many 580 en 590 burned out with not so super high temps, this did not happen to any ati card as far as i know.
The reason why amd also wanted a limit on the top models is simple.
When overclocking these cards and especially the dual gpu it is ofcourse asking for a problem.
Keeping a single model is already hard enough to cool.
To cool such dual monster as the 5990, 6990 or nv590 is a pain in the behind for all designers.
Its extreme difficult to get the heat out of the card, because of the cramped space.

lol
guess more countries did have a look at how the netherlands get their people poor
now that a german company named rwe took over one of the biggest dutch energy companies, i kept an eye on the german prices for energy as well, and since they took over i see the prices slowly go up in germany too
First they where slightly cheaper but intime they gained a lot and seem to me are now close to 0.33 euro cents
dutch pay enormous extra taxes over the previous taxes and so called transport costs which adds without tax again 0.13 euro cents to the mix, i have asked the energy company to show me what i actaully have to pay.
Now ofcourse they are probably again going to make it hard for us to understand what you are paying as they did all previous years. By that i mean getting 3 to 5 different bills over different parts and time periods
All to hide that you actually pay the top euro price in the whole of europa.
If i calculated it right the price for electricity + energy tax is 0.23 cents then we must pay transport costs + flatfee for each year which is 379.90 euro + monthly payement for the meter which in my case adds another 112 euro
At the end the governement add another 19% tax over the total amount
So if i calculated it right will give me a total price of 0.44 euro cents per kwh, i hope soon to get this comfirmed by my energy company. But again i am not convinced they are going to show the real kwh price. They probably come up again with only the electra price counted for their part in it.

Now back on topic is it worth running i fear for us its not even enough to cover 15 minutes
I have been 32 hours on a pool and made the enormous amount of 0.09827091 BTC
For that i run 2 pc's one with a 4770 which makes 70 Mhash/s but the system needs about 345 watts to run.
The other is a system with a 5870 which makes  380 Mhash/s but since its build to game hours and hours i has many big fans so eats alot of power also probably around 520 watts total
If i simply take the value of the BTC at current sell price i have made 0.28 cents in about 32 hours running near 850 watts system....
Both system have only one pci-e slot so 2 cards in one i can not do.

Ik zat net even na te kijken wat 1 pc verstookt als hij staat te minen op slushpool en dat is best schrikken 425 watt verstookt dit niet eens zo heftige systeem

Bestaande uit een x3-720 amd am2 met gigabyte bord, 4 Mb ram, 40 gb hdd ati 4770 met 98% last, 3 x 120 mm fan in de kast om het koel te houden en het stroom verbruik van de monitor 35 watt als actief en in slaap mode 6 watt.

Ik durf niet eens te gaan meten wat mijn hoofdpc intel q6600 op asus bordje met een 5870 op 900 Mhz met 4 x 120 mm koelfan en 1 x 220mm zij fan met 2 grote harddrives dan wel niet verstookt.

Gisteren begonnen met minen met een totaal van 71 Mhash/s op de amd en de grote doet gemiddeld iets van 380 Mhash/s maar wat ik daar zie aan opbrengst is niet echt om naar huis te schrijven, heb inmiddels 0.03831184 confirmed reward na bijna 24 uur

Heb meteen maar even naar mijn energie bedrijf de vraag gesteld of ik dit jaar ook weer een aparte rekening van enexis er bovenop krijg, want deze maand verwacht ik de grote jaar afrekeningen weer te mogen ontvangen

Indeed if i could place such a generator without freaking the hell out of my neighbours
Another option was to place a wind turbine or solar panels it maybe would in time return the investments, but the rules and regulations of the local governement does not permit to do so
Placing windmills is not allowed nor placing solar panels in plain sight ... yes they own a huge portion on stock of the biggest energy company which totally controls all of my region, or even 1/3 of the netherlands for that matter. Its again got a new name because the old was too tainted, lol especially for me they had a very bad taste in the mouth. sadly this old government companies still have a firm hold on every aspect of the energy in our country and hold the market hostage.
So either way for me at the moment it seems impossible to gain something out of bitcoins or can contribute in other ways.
I plainly lack enough money todo it right nor can i put money i don't have into something which clearly at the moment only would cost money.
Do not get me wrong here i think bitcoins could be a very nice way to shop worldwide and yes it does have the same problem as all other means with value, their allways be people who will try to rip you off  or scam and steal it fom you. But hell lets be honest every thing we do we are at risk of that houses, cars and buildings get broken into, creditcards and bank accounts try to avoid others scam or steal also and many times fail to stop them. Walking over the street with a wallet with 20 euro in it will get you killed in some spots in our country.
So nothing new is being said here, i just hope bitcoin gets over this trust issue again and hopefully gets a more accepted means of paying for whatever