I hate those ridiculus bonuses for 1week/day more that 15% this put big shit on later investors with Chronobank they were trading below ICO regular price in 1h ...
Then people who got late on party write on forum why price has fallen , want blame bounties and they give 30% bonus.
With all those ICOs is one rule 1day/1hour or never if had presale then rather never 

yes is 1% when you take fee 1% if your fee will be 10% you will have 10% dividend yeld

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if you add  ICNX 3% and ICNP 20% with similar value you will have next 1%-10% dividend yeld
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add 6000 BTC in ICOs in ICNp funds going into fund and over year they will make profits like 3x it will be next 20-30%
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So you end with something like 10% - 50% dividend yeld at end gold silver BTC ETH don't pay dividends.
I think that smar people will load with ICONOMI since it looks like good surce of income from crypto, next to exchanges, hazad/gambling / tax dogging / black market.
ICONOMI business suits to crypto IMO.

Not in case of ridiculous bonuses... Decent got 3000 BTC in 1st day.
Chrono Bank got 30% 1st day and 1900BTC in bonus time.
Edgless got 50 000 ETH in 1day not everywehre is ICONOMI.
Nowadays is better to wait 3-4 weeks after ICO go to market and buy.
at 50% ICO price you can do it with 90% ICOs now but not ICONOMI at least.

Nothing much new as that they are working - currently we have closed beta.
Yesterday were news  how they will price Arrays that is 3-10% fees for managers and they will collect 30% of that fee.
That looks really good when you think that swings in crypto are +- 10% daily.
If it will be working good it will be revolutionary

PS: all is as i have said BTC is dumping ICN is pumping Wow, speculators are leaving now BTC they don't give a fuck to what decision will be they want profits that matters for them ^^

Total bullshit man now there are projects like 2k Wat solar power + miner:
http://www.bimblesolar.com/bitcoinsolar     - ta da and NOMORE PROBLEMS WITH POWER

you can mine forever and have 0 costs why we need rise hash power all time ?
When hash power will drop 10x because of costs, BTC will saty same BTC just miners will be fired that is all.

I hope that developers and miners will see problem and solve it.
Even i want hard for today and let market decide where we go staing in place makes shit worse over time.
If bitcoin doesn't change it wil fail like many IT projects. Who remembers today napster,AOL,DC++
If bicon won't evolve it will end like those projects ABANDONED

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Bitcoin have its value because people can use it more people can use it more price rise.
Today we have cap no more users can join - sorry but this is true.
Price cap will follow soon. Why we should pay for BTC transaction 1$

PS:I always smile when BTC devs are talking how they go to Africa promote Bitcoin while today fee is equal day salary there or more HAHAHA

PPS: to create Ponzi scheme (like Bitcoin ) you need next 2 guys who will come buy your shares : ) today no one can come and buy it . Do you think that Ponzi will last in that environment  ? Who is last on that ponzi chain today ? I feel like I am haha
Bitcoin 2013 is not failed bitcoin form 2017 - it will change or die naturally and alts will eat it smelling fresh meat.

1W Return-  one (last) week (last)
1M Return- one (last) month

Market is unpredictable but from my point of view todays Bitcoin with fees like 0.1$ /1$ and whole blocksize drama shows how hard is chance something with Bitcoin there are factors that are preventing BTC from skyrocketing now this is transaction limit.
One you put DAMM on transactions flow will move to coins who are open for it that is alts.
I believe that Bitcoin need kick in price balls to make changes even bitcoin fork into 2 will make from that 2nd chain like alt i mean BTCu.
Why use 10min bock size BTCu over Dash,ETH,Nem,.... or 30 faster alts inset here with no blocksize drama.
If some people think that one pool miner/CEO can for BTC to BTCu I think they are wrong.

BTC from 2013 is not BTC 2017 people see progress in alts and slow motion in BTC.
BTC fom 2013 is like win3.1 and in 2017 it need upgraded soft to keep  up with others.
Even todays Ubuntu will win with win3.11 so BTC community need act because market will punish it.
New comers who will buy 1st BTC will see 4-10h delays and what they will think ?
BTC is shit coin vs those alts like win3.11 vs ubuntu/win7/android.
You think that one soft will remain forever ?
Not upgraded soft will fall and lose value like old games with 90% discount now.

In order for new money flow into alts is:
-Bitcoin drama keep moving and OLD BTC believers will switch to some alts (but most those who wanted move they are there already)
-Bitcoin moves 10x and now people see bitcoin as too expensive and they will rush to alts , but look point above.

This time is not like 2013 today bitcoin have REAL problems you almost can not use it at reasonable price,
without ETF it will be very hard to convince people that technology is worth 10x more

if you want 10x rise BTC price you need rise  captivity/usability also like 10x

Rather FUD scams don't hesitate after ICO into going on github and code,
 scam are over and no one never appears from DEVs to give a fuck for coding or community management.

Maybe reason call it scam it is because it doesn't give 2x ICO performance at lunch who knows

Yes that would be great.
And what is more interesting its adds value to coin, because if game will be popular it guarantee Jewels deflationary status.
And give people reason even from outside to buy Jewels.
This is awesome IMO.

Later probably I will gamble with that what I am stacking.

What I can say. My county tax my boss by 50% of my salary for nothing just because you live in a county.
And my boss pays me 1/10 of that what he wrote on a quotation for my work.
While ICONOMI with 30% covers:
- marketing
- costs of using a platform
- you are working under mark of ICONOMI (so you rent brand name)
- ICONOMI take care of customer support

If you look on real life business this is good deal
Do you know how much Steam have fee for their best content creators ?
steam have 75% FEE/TAX. google for it:
"The percentage of revenue an item creator receives from direct sales of their item in this Workshop is 25%, as stipulated in the Supplemental Workshop Terms."

So ICONOMI is fair with their model 30% is 2.5x less than even good business like steam.
If you think that taxing by 30% of income is a lot try create own platform/pay for marketing/hire customer servisce,
then we will talk about 30% fee ,  OK   ?


We are going in good direction, trolls will FUD ICONOMI will work and we will see who will win.

Agree Doge is great for typing stuff and have overall fun with it.
Great to give children for playing with it Such fun currency

yea Etherum takes 1-2days to synch to network i wonder how long in year will be with Byteball over 2 years

Agree.
Yea becouse he will travel over the world and meet those people who are starting ICOs or maybe he will hoop from thread to thread and in final day he will land in full scam (like Opair,DeCloud...) and loosing ALL money.

If he want invest safely he should for one coin keep it on cold storage but then you avoiding selling on big pumps and buying back.

Once i was trying magnaging fund to pump Blackcoin i got +20%-30% track record but that was fuking frustrating becouse  many scams are. I just gave up after USBcoin full scam luckly i sold with profit but one hour later coin went to 0zero and was delisted ... That coin created was creative and used "post mine" not hidden premine.
Managing fund is not easy task in long run IMO.

I think that BTC pump may stop about 24 before announcements speculators don't wait for news they just DUMP ,
when BTC is dumping alts got nice pump bust and people who hedged ICONOMI fall will try fast buyback since ICONOMI was nicely drained on BTC ETF pump. Other top alts like Etherum, Dash had some pumps and speculators will look for coin with incoming news here suits good ICONOMI.
So far market is proving that dumping below ICO is not gonna happen now without some real fail.
Dev team track record/delivery/proof of work is better than 90% ICOs so far.
IMO  ICONOMI has good risk/reward ratio.
But this is dice 30% chance on ETF approval 70% postpone/deny ,
If you scary you should dump now because I want smooth ride to 10x this time


as current BTC price is keeping up now just because of ETF since China blocked BTC withdrawals and whole blocksize drama slow progress at solution.
Seg wit is just temporary solution and bitcoin needs more than segwit to fix problems and those problems will come to kick ass and make long time correction. In 2013 Bitcoin had no technical issues with adding new users here new users of Bitcoin waiting 4-8h for transfer will dump that revolution into trash bin becouse now we have coins that are faster and more useful than bitcoin. Current newcomers will be forced to use alts.
Since instant fiat payments are popular (etc paypal,cc cards all with charge back additional layer of customer protection) for regular usage fiat is still better fast and not bounce +-20% daily. So I see bitcoin maybe ass long therm store of value that has to be prooven , other alts have to cover that what you can not make with credit card. Etherum,Monero, MaidSafeCoin,Nem,Steem,Golem,ICONOMI have good potential because those are not trying to beat fiat space. I can pay now in my country by phone, wireless CC card at end I have 0% costs if make transactions over 100$ month all is free.
Crypto rocks there where fiat is shit like being anon, bypass capital control for average Joe, when you want work hide from taxation, when you want hide your wealth, hire people making online job.

add priv key to wallet in options by adding account

I will upside question How much dividends will pay you Bitcoin/Ethereum/ for keeping it in your pocket ?
US citizens warning is every where now like warning like "Hot coffe on McDonalds coffee cup" but americans buys coffee and they will ICN like they buy BTC.

Next thing is that you will never know when they will run buybacks from %of income.
1st they will do that then they will write about it how they fucked up dumpers if they would really want to do it they will do it. Nija kick is best.

About Lisk hmm Lisk is now mirror of Crypti, no platform so far and Lisk in concept phase after year.

Same time ICONOMI has shown beta of platform(after 3 months) and they are looking for good ICOs.
So comparing work done by ICONOMI vs work of Lisk DEVs I would dare to say that is insult today!
They don’t jump every shit ICO around this is also good they choose best projects.
If you invest into shitcoin you end like shitcoin.

Once they finalize their platform and news will go over internet you be angry not being at this train.
Go buy Dash now or ETH.


Depends on bets if ETFs fails or postpone there is big chance that once BTC crash ICN price will rocket ^^

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Imagine if ICONOMI will reach some fiat capital agreements with some alternative ETFs what will happen to ICN price?
No one bets this and avoid that "+" saying with ICONOMI.
Man once some big investor will flow mony here...
50% index 50% ICN haha you will be out of train in no time.
but you have time they have to prove themselves as reliable ad secure as Poloniex did.

As I see today TaaS is token which from definition will be fueled by itself with trading it will buyback itself and trade on markets.
So even if lets say bounties or early investors with massive bonuses dump in theory TaaS will buy back those tokens over time from market increasing rest of it value. While in ICONOMI they require profits + platform + good trading to get money so start of ICONOMI when it pays off is longer and have many variables. Project will deliver more but that cost time and effort new clients ext in general it will take a lot of more time than TaaS.
TasS managers can start trading faster.Earned income goes directly to token holders via buybacks.
From my perspective Tass require less work to get return for investors. With good trading they will fast pump TaaS if they will be bad at trading all fails.
Iconomi even with bad trading can be profitable because it will have those automatic indexes when they not itereferate with trading and platform where others trades.

In summary:
ICONOMI: higher quality product but needs more to be polish
TaaS: less complex but gives people that what they want DIRECT own stock buybacks

In theory TaaS token should always go up because team will burn tokens from market putting there 25% of income,
Past experience from coin like Cinicoin those folks wanted buy 3strong LTC miners and make buyback own stock but failed so not all solution works forever.
while ICONOMI price depends on dividends that are vary from market conditions customer base, trading history, crypto bull/bear markets,legal stuff.

Those projects are quite different in build.
If you like buybacks TaaS will officially do it ICONOMI today not.
I spotted buyback and exchange arbitrage as something different not offered by ICONOMI,
while ICONOMI offers share in 6000BTC fund,TaSS offer 75% of investment goes to fund so no number here.
ICONOMI will deliver dividends from 2 platforms but need customers, marketing, seciurity while TaaS will mostly trade for profit.
Looking at that TaaS should be delivered faster and have less costs but that will be traded for scalability.
TaaS once have those fund online will make mostly profit from it, while ICONOMI by expanding user base can rise with rising customer base.
ICONOMI have higher rated task to accomplish like 2 years while TaaS can be fast.

It is hard to judge both projects today, in year we will see results in numbers of both I guess.
I like self buy backs but cinicoin proved me that it can be overrated.
What are risk with TaaS same as everywhere exchange hacks, fail at trading but this is common for ALL such projects.

Widziałes volumen na GByte ? jest tak 3000$-10000$ więc jakby chcieli to dzis sprzedać wszystko to by cena spadła do 10-30BTC za wszystko

Yes like on market you will have many competitors, currently you have working (like blue magic capital) but ICONOMI is something more than just fund.
1) platform where you can freely trade those ICNX and ICNP indexes ( i don't see  something like that so far anywhere)
nowdays funds don't give you flexibility like ICONOMI is buy/sell at any time automatically.
2) OFM - uber for fund managers win-win for investors/managers  Arrays of crypto managed automatically
no one of competitors is building that
3) 6000BTC seeded into ICNP fund i personally believe that in 2-4 years those funds will multiply ICN value itself without any work that was my main point for me heavily investing into project.

There will be competitors and competition is great for all it makes better products and brings more people into funds.
People will hoop from one to other or use multiple to diversify risk.
If ICONOMI for 3 years will reaming his position and show hacker-profess and stability it can be for fund something like Poloniex is for crypto today.

Down side of all is many "if" but so far ICONOMI is delivering with some delays but like with all prototypes you mostly have some delays I know it from real life experience. From projects that get like 10000+ BTC ICNOMI today has shown platform while projects like Lisk Waves DixDao are not even in beta or alfa to see some results so from me this is big + ICONOMI.