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761  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: LocalBitcoins en España on: August 05, 2013, 02:59:01 PM
El objetivo debería ser que cualquier usuario nuevo pueda facilmente comprar vender 1 BTC instantaneamente... y que cualquier empresario que quiera aceptar/utilizar bitcoins se encuentre con que puede comprar/vender 10-20BTC en un mismo día y con una horquilla de compra-venta inferior al 10%.

Si conseguimos esto... las grandes casas de cambio se convertirán en irrelevantes para el 99% de los usuarios, y localbitcoins será verdaderamente útil.


...y luego por supuesto, siempre harán falta creadores de mercado:
http://www.investopedia.com/video/play/role-market-maker/
762  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: LocalBitcoins en España on: August 05, 2013, 02:28:24 PM
Por ejemplo, mirando ahora los anuncios en localbitcoins tenemos en España a varios traders con buena reputación:

                                                                                Vendiendo                       Comprando            Diferencial c-v
                                                                                     €                                   €                          €
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/BitAddict/            1000                              1000                       68-78
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/joesmoe/             2500                              2500                       72-80
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/frisco/                 1000                              1000                       64-90
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/vescudero/           2000                              2400                       68-91
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/valiron/                200                                                                -82
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/Krako/                 300                                1000                       64-81
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/Jaspita/               300                                                                 -85
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/BAUHAUS1/          500                                                                 -83


Bastaría con que los 4 primeros pusieran órdenes de venta-compra en € 40-120 por valor de 1000 € cada para garantizarle una cierta profundidad a este mercado. Después poco a poco podrían ir cerrando la horquilla... 50-110, 60-100, 70-90... y en pocos meses se habría creado un mercado local bastante estable y definido.

¿Y si el precio de mtgox se cruza con la horquilla? Da igual. Que los arbitrajistas intenten igualarlos... con los hasta 10 días de retraso entre uno y otro es muy difícil hacer arbitrajes eficientes (por lo menos sin tener un montón de capital inmovilizado). Si la diferencia es persistente o significativa, entonces se reacciona, pero mientras sea pequeña y transitoria da igual.
763  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: LocalBitcoins en España on: August 05, 2013, 02:15:01 PM


                           Vendo BTC           Precio  $               Compro BTC
                              100                     200
                               20                      150
                               10                      100
                                1                        90
                                                          80                     1
                                                          70                     10
                                                          50                     20
                                                          20                     50
                                                          10                     100


Lo único que haría falta realmente es que 4 o 5 traders ya existentes se pusieran de acuerdo en dónde poner el suelo y el techo. Por ejemplo el máximo Abril ($270) y el mínimo Mayo ($40) no estaría mal. Con acumular en esos niveles órdenes por valor de 20 BTC cada uno, quedaría bastante establecido el rango... y la liquidez del mercado local.

Después, con el paso del tiempo podría ir acotándose el rango y acercándose cada vez más la horquilla, de manera independiente de mtgox... La idea es que haya suficiente liquidez para que cualquier nuevo usuario que visite localbitcoins pueda facilmente comprar/vender rápidamente una cantidad decente (10? 25?) sin mover demasiado el precio.
764  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: LocalBitcoins en España on: August 05, 2013, 02:04:23 PM
Dada la última nota de MtGox:
https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20130805.html

En la que hablan de hasta 10 días para hacerles un ingreso bancario

Quote
Deposits and Withdrawal Update Finally, the issues with deposits and withdrawals from Mt. Gox are being relieved, but still not at the rate we want. For example it currently takes up to 10 days to process a deposit because our bank, upon receiving deposits, notifies us of the deposit but holds them for 7~10 days before transferring them to our account. This has always been the case, and we were still crediting customer accounts before receiving the funds ourselves, but some cases in which the bank subsequently rejected the deposits meant that we incurred significant losses. The risk is now too high for us to credit accounts prematurely. We are in the process of forming relationships with new partners, banks, and taking other steps -- hopefully we will not only be back where we were before we encountered these issues , but much further ahead.

...y que las alternativas tampoco pueden hacer otra cosa que no sea pasar por el sistema bancario tradicional, encontrándose con problemas similares.

Creo que hay que potenciar localbitcoins y darle un poco más de liquidez. Sobre todo hay que dejar de referenciar el precio en los anuncios de localbitcoins al de MtGox. En vez de crear anuncios con la típica ecuación mtgoxusd*1.1 hay que empezar a crear un mercado en profundidad... poniendo anuncios escalonados a precio fijo.

Por ejemplo:

                           Vendo BTC           Precio  $               Compro BTC
                              100                     200
                               20                      150
                               10                      100
                                1                        90
                                                          80                     1
                                                          70                     10
                                                          50                     20
                                                          20                     50
                                                          10                     100
765  Economy / Gambling / Re: Predictious.com | The Premier Bitcoin Prediction Market | Trade & Win Bitcoins! on: August 05, 2013, 11:21:18 AM


Great. Now what you need are market makers. Nobody wants to trade a thin market and nobody wants large (or non-existent) bid-ask spreads. Normally the way to kick-start this a bit is by getting a few pro traders to create a market by entering multiple orders. This increases liquidity and makes trading more attractive.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketmaker.asp

Good market makers can generate a steady profit, just like good bookies. If you can attract a few of them to your site, you will ensure more liquidity and market depth, making it much more interesting for punters, and a much more efficient prediction market.

Either that... or get a dozen Beta-testers and give away a few BTC on the condition that they bet on every single statement.

As a trader who is very much fed up with the paperwork involved in traditional fx, options, equity trading platforms... I am very much looking forward to your success. If you can tap into the FX market, you could be huge.
766  Economy / Gambling / Re: Predictious.com | The Premier Bitcoin Prediction Market | Trade & Win Bitcoins! on: August 03, 2013, 10:33:45 PM

Eventually you should have at least
...the top 3 Nasdaq stocks by mkt cap.  ( http://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=cap_mega&o=-marketcap)
*AAPL
*GOOG
*MSFT

...top 3 NYSE
*XOM
*JNJ
*WMT

...top 3 currency pairs       (http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/)

*EURUSD
*USDJPY
*USDCHF

...and top 3 commodities   (http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/futures/)
*Gold
*Oil
*Copper

Also
*US 10 yr T-Bond yield   http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us/

But perhaps a weekly bet for each is too much... monthly maybe?
767  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina is not going Bitcoin on: July 23, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
Don't forget that the language barrier has also slowed things down there... but again, that is starting to change. Adoption is starting to overtake other Spanish speaking countries.
768  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina is not going Bitcoin on: July 23, 2013, 10:20:44 PM
I try to keep up to date on Argentina. My impression is that the handicap they have due to lower Internet penetration compared to western countries is starting to be overcome by the stronger incentives that they have given their horrible currency.
769  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING: SEC Charges pirateat40 With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme on: July 23, 2013, 05:48:04 PM
Extremely funny. I guess he wasn't so hard to find after all...
770  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
Yeah.. so in other words they use officially reported CPI. Two problems with that:

*CPI is very unreliable in some countries (ie: Argentina, where the official figure is as much as 1/3 what independent economists estimate)
*CPI does no way tell the whole story about money creation and where it goes. Money is fungible... it can just as easily go into the price of one of the goods in the CPI basket as it can go to drive up asset prices (think S&P500, Nasdaq or housing bubble).

Nevertheless, despite some reservations, I agree that this index is food for thought and contains lots of useful stuff.  

771  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 05:32:45 PM

I like the idea, and I don't see any major errors in the classifications.  

It's not the classifications, but the methodology. After all if you have to give a quantitative score for each category, you have to base it on something... look up what they use for their "monetary freedom" score:  http://www.heritage.org/index/monetary-freedom
772  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 05:27:35 PM
Possibly from this site:
http://www.heritage.org/index/

The 10 economic freedoms are grouped into four broad categories or pillars of economic freedom:

  • Rule of Law (property rights, freedom from corruption)
  • Limited Government (fiscal freedom, government spending)
  • Regulatory Efficiency (business freedom, labor freedom, monetary freedom)
  • Open Markets (trade freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom)

Yeah, I have quite a few problems with the methodology, especially for "monetary freedom". But it is somewhat illustrative... particularly two categories: property rights and government spending.

Overall I am not keen on The Heritage Foundation (especially given who their main source of funds are)... but this index in particular is probably the best that you will get from a mainstream source. It certainly has the most data, from the largest number of countries.
773  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
Is this from a children's coloring book?

What.. you don't like the Eckert VI map projection? or is it Eckert IV?
774  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dilbert's Bertcoin on: July 23, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
775  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Dilbert's Bertcoin on: July 23, 2013, 05:01:55 PM

776  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Then again... if you live in one of these.. you will probably need it too... as the first factor suffers greatly when those in charge need to find a way to finance this second metric.

777  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Property Rights on: July 23, 2013, 02:16:30 PM
If you live in one of the countries marked in red, Bitcoin is a must-have tech.

778  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Noticias Bitcoin - prensa y paginas de blog on: July 19, 2013, 09:11:40 AM

18.07.2013
De enemigos de Facebook a operadores de bitcoin
http://www.expansion.com/2013/07/18/directivos/1374168236.html
779  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Seminario "Iniciación al desarrollo con Bitcoin" (Madrid) on: July 18, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
video
http://www.parleys.com/play/51e78902e4b0354ac31ac4e9
780  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: 24 de julio. BCN. Conferencia sobre bitcoins y criptomonedas en AureaSocial on: July 18, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
Mihai Alisie y Vitalik Buterin, Amir Taaki....

¡No está nada mal!

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