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This feels like the dot.com days all over again, where all you needed to do was put .com at the end of something and it attracts loads of money that is never seen again.
This apparently the case for 'bit' now. I'm seeing venture after venture popping up some with no development, some with a few drops of development but all requiring loads of investment. Is it now wrong to complete a job before asking for investment?
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Is the strong positive news cycle getting a bit out of hand?
Why is the mainstream news "promoting" Bitcoin so much?
all it really takes is 'information and belief' by the right person or band of people, then it's all about follow the leader Ever since coinbase indicated that they wanted into the game and to do it in such a way that appears honest (insurance, regulated, audits, etc ...) it allowed the 'mainstream' investment avenues to give bitcoin another peek. Now other exchanges (the W twins) are considering the creation of such 'integrity' exchanges |
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You would submit a bid price to indicate how much you want to do the job. Other contractors will do the same so you want to bid at a rate that is high enough to make you happy, but low enough to get the job.
There are no formal "size requirements" there should be a sense of balance and proportion, however for the items that are more important make them bigger so that they get more attention, and for the items that are less important make them smaller so that they don't compete for viewer attention.
I don't encourage anyone to make a sample, or to 'work[ing] on it' before I award them the contract.
did you checked my entry above , just rate it , i mean how it is ? My bid for the design as above with much better work - 0.2 BTCI received your PM If you go to https://www.indiegogo.com/ you will see the site that we are using as the reference. That is a crowdfunding website. in the center of the page you will see snapshots of the various "campaigns" the site is helping to raise funds. Thanks for your question. |
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You would submit a bid price to indicate how much you want to do the job. Other contractors will do the same so you want to bid at a rate that is high enough to make you happy, but low enough to get the job.
There are no formal "size requirements" there should be a sense of balance and proportion, however for the items that are more important make them bigger so that they get more attention, and for the items that are less important make them smaller so that they don't compete for viewer attention.
I don't encourage anyone to make a sample, or to 'work[ing] on it' before I award them the contract.
REMEMBER
The most important parts of the site are the campaigns, so the campaign snapshots in the center of the homepage become the most important part of the home page and this assignment. When you start this project you start with the campaign snapshot everything else is in relation, or relative, to it.
Your work is nice, please submit a bid
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Evander PICISI is a crowdfunding website that I'm currently having constructed. When the site is completed Campaign Contractors will be able to work for campaign organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaign. It's going to be a place where satisfaction and performance determine who does financially well. In an effort to insure reasonable standards it will have a free escrow service, a comprehensive feedback system, and a reward system for contractors that do well. PICISI contractors will have a leg up because campaign organizers will be able to access CC funds donated to the campaign to spend with campaign contractors during the campaign. I mention this to you because you are a writer with a publishing vehicle so that gives you a stronger leg up -- you can write an article and publish it too. Keep PICISI on your radar. |
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PICISI is a crowdfunding website that I'm currently having constructed. When the site is completed Campaign Contractors will be able to work for campaign organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaign. It's going to be a place where satisfaction and performance determine who does financially well. In an effort to insure reasonable standards it will have a free escrow service, a comprehensive feedback system, and a reward system for contractors that do well. PICISI contractors will have a leg up because campaign organizers will be able to access CC funds donated to the campaign to spend with campaign contractors during the campaign. The site is essentially an Indiegogo clone with a CC component, before the site is completed I want to give visitors an idea of what the site will look like. You job is to create an image of what the site will look like. When you bid please show me your portfolio, indicate your flat rate (not hourly) price in USD, BTC, or any other currency you wish to have, and tell me how long it will take you to complete the task. The whole process will be relatively open, from bid to web page progress, to payment and feedback. Here is my crude design to give you a starting point. PICISI LOGO:  In the spaces allocated for sponsor logos place the following: 1) highest in left column https://i.imgur.com/H8fekUT.png2) highest in right column http://hypercrypto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/hyper-ad-astra.png3) 2nd highest in left column https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fartsycoin.com%2Fimages%2FArtsyCoin_temp.jpg&t=550&c=g6pfayvdbDEtig4) 2nd highest in right column https://i.imgur.com/KISijPV.png5) 3rd in left column https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/X5WF71_1C_ZiA0ucIR8bE7QXiSzASm6sa2mj3AB1AhA=s250-no6) The most importance space on the page is allocated to the campaign snapshots, make sure they are large and very attractive, use indiegogo as your reference without the slider, feel free to be very creative make the page bright and alive without rainbows, and the sponsor logos should tastefully fit in the margin. Others logo will come until the project is complete, if you finish the project before all of the sponsor spaces are filled that's ok. Please ask as many questions as you wish. At the heart of PICISI is promotion so this is not only a public appeal to find a contractor to do this job, once the contractor is found the contractor will submit drafts here as well. Everyone will have the opportunity to critique and praise the contractor. |
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Equinoxx has indicated that he is "backing out from [the] project. You can choose someone else."
Although I'm very disappointed in his action, I will move forward.
I will close this thread and start a new one to give everyone an opportunity to place their bids.
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Coinbase Joins Facebook and Uber in Internet Lobbying GroupCoinbase is the first bitcoin company to join the Internet Association (IA), a Washington, DC public policy group that lobbies regulators on Internet freedom and innovation. Launched in 2012, the IA boasts founding members including Amazon, eBay, Facebook and Google, alongside more than 40 general members including Airbnb, Lyft and Uber. http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-joins-airbnb-facebook-and-uber-in-internet-lobbying-group/ ahhhh isn't that cute, the about 30 billionaires club, ooops not sure if Coinbase dude is a billionaire yet |
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I have to say I don't agree with fiverr at all. No one can make a living in rates like that. But if people want to do it that's fine I guess. The only problem is it pushes people's expectations of what a job costs down. Which means designers / coders etc end up working for hardly anything. My hourly is considerably more than $15.  I couldn't agree more with you. It's not just fiverr, it's in these forums aswell. And I don't mean to point or dename, as I think that us graphics designers need to stick together. I'm only saying that the amount of Graphics design freebies and 1$ logo/banner threads have been fairly popular. And for these people, it's a matter of getting money, and I understand that. We all need to put food on the table. But in actuality, you're hurting yourself and others who design. These people need to understand that there is a pricing equilibrium. (Time, Resources, effort and then you have to consider the fact that your image will be used long after you are done, minimum wage). When you price your design irresponsibly, you're hurting the trade overall. These designers need to consider this more. And while yes, you may get work more often, you will encourage others to compete with your pricing and thus lower the value you can expect, and eventually lower the amount of work you will get. At the same time, Entrepreneurs need to realize, company image is the first thing a company's value is based on in these days. If your branding looks bad, it will leave a negative impression, while a good branding leaves a positive impression. If you're willing to go cheapskate on something as important as the face of your company or service, that doesn't speak well for your company overall. And yes, I understand, you need to conserve resources. Totally understandable. But one can argue, if you cannot afford proper branding solutions, then you probably and most likely will not have resources for the rest of the project. But again, I am speaking from my experiences. When I look around in the service forum, I see start-ups and entrepreneurs trying to find the best branding for the least amount of money. And they will find it every single time. $10 logos, $5 banners. But they fail to realize, this will hurt them in the long run. Logos, banners, all branding should be an investment. And you won't find any halfway decent graphics designer who will work for you for $10. Competition is very healthy and promotes a free market. But alot of people are forgetting about wages. However, it would seem it balances itself out as the truly talented and experienced designers will always provide higher quality works. And while the few people who are talented and are willing to design under fair wage, eventually they will not. Earlier in this thread a contractor placed a bid on this job at a rate that was above the average bids submitted at the time, that same individual, as an employer made an offer to a contractor in a different thread at a rate substantially lower than any bid in that thread. Both bids could be justified in any number of ways, what struck me was when he told me something to the effect that 'you get what you pay for', that's when I could not resist and had to quote the 'low ball bid' and inquire if the sentiment applied there too. When PICISI (the crowdfunding website) is completed Campaign Contractors will be able to work for campaign organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaign. It's going to be a place where satisfaction and performance determine who does financially well. In an effort to insure reasonable standards it will have a free escrow service, a comprehensive feedback system, and a reward system for contractors that do well. PICISI contractors will have a leg up because campaign organizers will be able to access CC funds collected to spend with campaign contractors during the campaign. |
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No surprise at all, but also nothing to be afraid of.
If you had a closer look at the total hashpower that the Chinese pools were gaining then you could have seen this comming a far while ago.
Money leads everything. They are buying and investing as much as they can in equipment without having to worry a lot about power costs.
I can see them getting probably 90% of the total network if they keep growing with current speed.
China doesn't want more than about 60% of any really big thing otherwise it will be deemed worthless by the owners of the minority share. So they buy up everything to a point, then find something else to buy. Did you see the 60 Mins story where there are whole major subdivisions and cities that are completely built, completely sold, and completely empty? I seen that 60min episode, whole cities built and no one living there. There is alot of very conflicting reports coming out of China ATM, some reports say everything is more than fine with distributed wealth better than ever, next minute i see a story saying they will be in recession within a couple of years, weird.That's neither conflicting or weird, what you have described is an economic bubble about to burst, normally followed by a recession. |
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I have to say I don't agree with fiverr at all. No one can make a living in rates like that. But if people want to do it that's fine I guess. The only problem is it pushes people's expectations of what a job costs down. Which means designers / coders etc end up working for hardly anything. My hourly is considerably more than $15. Just to add to that. No your hourly shouldn't be adjusted because you need to give input to the project. Ideally the brief will be good and the designer good enough to interpret the brief first time. Digital work in the global market place is extremely competitive. It's unfair to want to value the contractors time but not the employer's time, if you value education, skills, and experience then it doesn't matter which side of the contract one is on fair is fair. |
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No surprise at all, but also nothing to be afraid of.
If you had a closer look at the total hashpower that the Chinese pools were gaining then you could have seen this comming a far while ago.
Money leads everything. They are buying and investing as much as they can in equipment without having to worry a lot about power costs.
I can see them getting probably 90% of the total network if they keep growing with current speed.
China doesn't want more than about 60% of any really big thing otherwise it will be deemed worthless by the owners of the minority share. So they buy up everything to a point, then find something else to buy. Did you see the 60 Mins story where there are whole major subdivisions and cities that are completely built, completely sold, and completely empty? |
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The type of insurance that coinbase has would have covered that. Because the funds were in cold storage, which points to inside job, or really, really lazy mgmt. |
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Bitcoin Mining Pools Targeted in Wave of DDOS AttacksAntPool, BW.com, NiceHash, CKPool and GHash are among a number of bitcoin mining pools and operations that have been hit by distributed denial-of-service (DDOS) attacks in recent days. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-pools-ddos-attacks/that will make BTC even stronger. I fear DDOS attacks greatly, what is the best defense against them? |
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Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed To date, the United States Marshal Service has allegedly held three auctions for a portion of the 144,000 bitcoins confiscated in the wake of the October 2013 Silk Road bust. These auctions are claimed by Qntra to have allegedly occurred due to the continued refusal by the USG to respond to FOIA requests for further information on the alleged winners of the Bitcoin auctions. To that end, Qntra conducted and has now concluded its own investigation into the identity of the winner of the largest sum of bitcoins in the auction held by the USMS on the 5th of March 2015. That person's identity can now be revealed as real estate advisor, property manager, investor and entrepreneur Larry Dean Silvey. http://qntra.net/2015/03/winner-of-27k-bitcoins-purchased-at-usms-auction-revealed/ |
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This is big news! But why do they pick such random locations? Testing purposes? Lol!  when you don't have an idea of impact you want to limit any surprise impact, communications companies know the value of a good roll out This is big news! But why do they pick such random locations? Testing purposes? Lol! What's random about Poland? They've got ~15 million customers there. Which country wouldn't be random and why? That's about 50% more than New York City in the USA. That's nothing by any marketing standard. And its not like everyone in Poland has TMobile. |
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Just enjoyed reading through this thread. I've got to wonder whether $100 is a high fee. Seems there's a lot of going back and forth. When you take all that in to account what's your hourly rate on this?
Are you saying your hourly rate starts ticking at the point of customer interest or at the point at which you actually start working on the project? How about this, let's say you get $15 p/hr and I get $200 p/hr, during the back and forth that you spoke of, do you pay me for my time to explain what I want to you? Here are some online services that I've used for a number of years with great success: oDesk.com, peopleperhour.com, guru.com, and fiverr.com. This job would have cost me about $15 and done in 2 days max by highly experience contractor with extensive portfolio. BTW, I never do hourly deals, only flat-rate deals, I don't like to look over anyone's shoulders or snap a whip. I didn't follow my conventions in this case because this project -- PICISI, has a lot to do with cryptocurrency, and has a campaign contractor component. Many of the contractors that have come to this thread will likely work for campaign organizers at PICISI helping them to create, develop, and or promote their campaigns at reasonable rates when the site is up and running. |
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it doesn't make sense that you bid lower than the market price because getting that amount in an exchange is more difficult and untrusted
Actually the best logic is in line with only buying at a lower than market price. Private transactions rarely influence the public marketplace, and when it does its because there is a lot of merchandise, that is not the case here. It is unwise to compare or contrast private transactions with public marketplaces transactions. The private market is only influenced by the activity at the public marketplace to the extent that you permit it to; there is motive for the seller to pitch that argument, but no reasonable reason for the buyer to accept that rationale. Even if it wasn't an auction you should expect to get a discount for buying in bulk (wholesale), even if it was a bulk sale you should expect to get a discount for buying at an auction, even if it wasn't a bulk sale auction you should expect to get a discount buying from the govt, even if it wasn't a bulk sale auction conducted by the govt you should expect to get a discount buying seized goods, so when you have a bulk sale auction of seized goods conducted by a govt agency you logically should expect what? Face value? Come on, think.
That is a pretty personal reason then. Because I think most investors leave their ethics at home when trying to optimize their portfolio.
Nothing rare about those ethics, that's why all of the foreclosure and seized property auctions are not constantly packed and selling things at, near, or above market value. _____________________ I wouldnt by it because I would never in my life need to own 50k bitcoins
The coins were split up in lots and you were able to bid on smaller amounts. 2k/5k if I am not mistaken. |
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I believe that anybody that would have bid below-market or at-market rates would not have won the auction.The alternative of buying 50,000 coins on the exchanges would drive the price way up, so bidders were already willing to pay at least market rate. In fact, it is possible that the recent rise is the result of auction losers buying on exchanges.
That assumes that there are people who want to buy 50000 coins and would have to otherwise buy on exchanges. I am pretty sure that this is a rare case. you are being very, very kind. I'm guessing the USMS chose the avenue they traveled expecting to get about 50% to 70% LESS than the face value of the merchandise. If they wanted face value they would have sold it on the open market little by little like anyone else seeking face value. The also could have advertised a minimum bid of $200 so that everyone knows they want face value plus. But none of that happened because they knew they would not get it. Not just because all of 2014 was a buyer's market, and not because if they sold everything at the same time in the public market they would OBVIOUSLY get less in the aggregate, but because no one in with that kind of money is buying wholesale quantity at retail prices -- it's a fire sale auction NO ONE in their right mind expects to pay anywhere close to "market" value for anything at a "must sell" auction. Actually they always got close to face value in previous auctions of BTC. So maybe they did again this time. My point was that above market is unlikely, close below market is very likely and even 10% away from market is pretty much impossible due to arbitrageurs.What they reasonably expected to get and what they got could be two totally different things, every blind auction is a hail mary pass; you throw it because you want it to work not because you expect it to work and when it does connect you are as shocked as everyone else in the whole stadium. Anyone in BTC market knows values could easily swing 15% in a week and 20% over the span of a month. So would be unwise to make a blind wholesale bid of anything close to public market value. If all of 2014 the market trend was down, down, down; only recently did it do an about-face and go up, up, u [stuck at $299]. So, you would NOT buy a big amount of BTC in one month at -20% if you had to pay for them today, with delivery in 1 month? Highly unlikely that I would do that arrangement. I'd do the 20% discount for cash and carry, however, I would not do a mere 20% discount for seized goods, It would need to be a minimum of 50% discount if I get past the ethics of the matter. |
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I was looking forward to seeing what your update yesterday. I see what you said to Skyenet and I decided to just improve on it.
Equinoxx, I indicated that "the header and footer [are] in proper perspective", that "the sponsor logos are too big", "we are showcasing the campaigns so their perspective must be larger", and "not using any sliders" yet that translated to: [img]https://i.imgur.com/16OeCJJ.png[/im] That is not what you should have gotten from my message. I will be more specific: 1) make the content in your header the size of the content in Skyenet's header, 2) remove specific mention of any CC that is not a sponsor 3) remove the slider 4) reduce the size of the logos substantially (they are to fit in the margin but not take up all of the space, they should be tastefully placed) 5) put in all of the campaign snapshots, those are the heart of the site, the webpage, and this project. In looking at them we are better able to put the rest of the page into proper perspective. 6) replace the header "logo" with a stylized PICISI 7) center the 'Top Campaigns / Start Your Campaign / Search' 8) fill in the 'categories' in the footer with categories thanks Can you please add me on Skype: EquinoxxBitcoin. I am not used to working like this. Sorry, I don't do skype. I'll send you a PM if there is content you want to keep private. ___________________________ I was looking forward to seeing what your update yesterday. I see what you said to Skyenet and I decided to just improve on it.
Equinoxx, I indicated that "the header and footer [are] in proper perspective", that "the sponsor logos are too big", "we are showcasing the campaigns so their perspective must be larger", and "not using any sliders" yet that translated to: [img]https://i.imgur.com/16OeCJJ.png[/im] That is not what you should have gotten from my message. I will be more specific: 1) make the content in your header the size of the content in Skyenet's header, 2) remove specific mention of any CC that is not a sponsor 3) remove the slider 4) reduce the size of the logos substantially (they are to fit in the margin but not take up all of the space, they should be tastefully placed) 5) put in all of the campaign snapshots, those are the heart of the site, the webpage, and this project. In looking at them we are better able to put the rest of the page into proper perspective. 6) replace the header "logo" with a stylized PICISI 7) center the 'Top Campaigns / Start Your Campaign / Search' 8) fill in the 'categories' in the footer with categories thanks I am not one to budge in but it seems Eq is lacking creativity as he clearly just copied what I did and didn't pay attention to what you needed. Design wise his doesn't really fit a web based template. I thought you should know this. Also it was not eq fault about the logo as you were not very descriptive of it. You need to tell the designs the image sizes needed for them. As for filling in categories you have not even gave any details to EQ for what to put it. You want something done right you have to do your work too. Designing does take us time and you should take the time to at least make a skeleton base with content words needed in there which will provide a x2 times faster progress. Also by doing this it eliminates your "You forgot to add details and text" from the designers (which you didn't give to them) I know you didn't pick me but I just thought your should know this for future references when you are doing things. You are perfectly welcome to include your view(s) in this public discussion, I think it is enlightening, and healthy for all involved. I work with many different contractors from all around the world for very many years, when I look at a portfolio I am often able to see a 'fingerprint', a style, a patter to how they work. Design work is often artistic, I like give an artist the ability to place his fingerprint on my work; sometimes the designer is less artist and more of a contractor that simply wants specs to guide them; you never know what kind of designer you have until you start seeing drafts. You are absolutely correct, there are many things I didn't say, could have said, or should have said, but in most cases that was by design to give the designer artistic license. As you know artistic license doesn't forbid the artist / contractor from asking for direction. I want the contractor/designer to like what they are doing during the job, but more importantly I want the contractor to be proud of what they have done for a long time after the job is completed. |
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