WOW over 23000 posts and still no jail time for any of the GAW staff or owners , as they say the land of the free and greedy. If this was Australia he would be in jail and so would be the other bad apples. I think deal done with SEC, agree to a fine and go bankrupt, after all we all sent money to buy pretty IMG pictures on a screen.
Like Rick Day and graet? Are they sharing a cell? Is that why they aren't paying people their coins? |
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Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.
stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid. you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all. I did not say that getting scammed means you are stupid. I said that getting scammed by Garza to the extent these idiots did means you are too stupid to run a company that has anything to do with cryptocurrency. That's a big difference. how can you believe someone who thought "digital cloud miners" were a thing is smart enough to do any of the things they are claiming to do? a lot of people thought digital cloud miners was a thing. a lot of people still seem to. not everyone is highly intellectual as you. maybe its because your parents were related ? Anyone who believed digital cloud miners were a thing, especially with zero evidence to them, is an idiot. The entire point of cryptocurrency is that you don't need to "believe" things exist because the blockchain will prove anything, so believing they existed without any evidence on any blockchain makes you too stupid to deal with cryptocurrence. Saying that there are lots of idiots out there is not breaking news to me. I am just wondering why you are comfortable giving your money to a group of those idiots? |
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Well that's too bad, I still think it was pretty great achievement he almost made it to 100% ROI using this method, but ok maybe some ppl are right and it would be smarter to just bet regular way and not martingale it
Not sure how doing exactly what any math textbook says will happen if you try martingale is an accomplishment. It's a great way to win a few bucks at a time, until it doesn't work and you lose all that money that you won and then some more. I guess it was nice to see a real life example so hopefully the next person doesn't do it, but why did someone have to burn some cash to figure it out? |
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Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.
stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid. you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all. I did not say that getting scammed means you are stupid. I said that getting scammed by Garza to the extent these idiots did means you are too stupid to run a company that has anything to do with cryptocurrency. That's a big difference. how can you believe someone who thought "digital cloud miners" were a thing is smart enough to do any of the things they are claiming to do? |
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CarlesPuyol, have you ever tried with kinda hybrid martingale going up and down 50-60-70% depending on the odd?$10 base bet just for example: 1st bet: $10 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-10)
2nd bet: $15 @ 2.00 - LOSS (or $16 @ 1.90 or $17 @ 1.80 or $14 @ 2.20 ...etc) (-15 - 10 = -25)
3rd bet: $22,5 @ 2.00 - WIN (22,5 - 25 = -2,5)
4th bet: $15 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-2,5 - 15 = -17,5)
5th bet: $22,5 @ 2.00 - WIN (22,5 - 17,5 = +5)
6th bet: $15 @ 2.00 - WIN (5 + 15 = +20)reset1st bet: $10 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-10)
2nd bet: $15 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-10 - 15 = -25)
3rd bet: $22,5 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-47,5)
4th bet: $33 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-80,5)
5th bet: $49,5 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-130)
6th bet: $75 @ 2.00 - WIN (-130 + 75 = -45)
7th bet: $49,5 @ 2.00 - LOSS (-45 - 49,5 = -94,5)
8th bet: $75 @ 2.00 - WIN (-94,5 + 75 = -19,5)
9th bet: $49,5 @ 2.00 - WIN (-19,5 + 49,5 = +30)from here you can go for 10th bet for $33 @ 2.00 or reset10th bet: $33 @ 2.00 - WIN (30 + 33 = +63)
11th bet: $22,5 @ 2.00 - LOSS (64 - 22,5 = +41,5)
12th bet: $33 @ 2.00 - WIN (41,5 + 33 = +74,5)from here you can go for 13th bet for $22,5 @ 2.00 or resetresetand so on, and so on...This is slower but its safer, right? Or am i completely wrong?  Any way you arrange -ev bets is bad. Each bet in sports is independent of the other ones, so they have no impact on each other. Since the bets have no impact, the result of a previous bet should not impact how much you bet on the next one. If you are good at sports betting, you will make more money by betting straight up, same if you are bad at betting. As for your particular plan, putting the 2nd bet of 15 @2.00 odds negates the "point" of martingale, if you win that bet, you win 15, leaving you with a profit of 5. The "point" of martingale is that when you finally win a bet, you end up with the same profit as if you won the first bet. Just bet more on games if you are more confident. The fact of the matter is that Carles lost a big bet on the Spurs because Novak Djokovic needed a tiebreak to win a set after blowing 3 match points. That makes absolutely no sense, but it's what happened. |
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Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.
Does a person who cares about what he's investing in care if the people he's investing in lied about forming a company called Ionomy PTE, in Singapore? I dont recall them lying? I recall hearing that they were in the process of changing the name? Any customer that used the XPY. io platform will tell you that the support was second to none btw just for all the people calling it a failure. Nobody that invested anything in that platform lost anything,I wouldnt call that a failure. @phildo so did thousands of others so maybe try a better one to discredit them ehh? Wish you guys would have warned me about cryptsy being a scam even though they were a registered biz. I don't need to discredit those thousands of other idiots, but I will if I see them asking people for money to do something involving cryptocurrency, especially if they refuse to show how this will be different from GAW. What about the xpy.io project has caused these guys to go from "dumb enough to get ripped off by garza" to "smart enough to create a new coin that will be successful" AND "create mobile games that people will play" AND somehow combine the 2 into a successful company? Some people were saying that cryptsy was insolvent as soon as the withdrawal delays started, because there's only one reason for that to happen. The smart one's bought coins that they could withdraw at a loss and got out part of their money, the other's refused to take a small loss and ended up with nothing. As for the name, there was never evidence of the old name being a registered company either. If the company registration doesn't matter or was in the process of being changed, why mention it? |
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How is cyberpenis still in business? Is it because he lives somewhere where a clod of dirt is actually worth something?
Well, "in business" is a relative term. When you don't let people withdraw and they appear to be ok with it, it takes a lot longer to default. the fact that there aren't a bunch of people posting constantly about how crazy it is that Leroy took their coins, turned them into shitcoins, and won't give them back gives you a hint to how much the phrase "in business" means. |
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Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.
Does a person who cares about what he's investing in care if the people he's investing in lied about forming a company called Ionomy PTE, in Singapore? Do you care that the people you are investing in thought "digital cloud miners" existed? Or that someone would sell them a $20 bill for $4? |
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Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.
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Props for doing it the right way by keeping track of your bankroll and listing all of your bets and odds.
I would suggest not making the 50 mB a hard and fast rule. It really doesn't make sense to bet the same amount on a bet with 1.21 odds and one with 1.76 odds. One has a much better chance of winning, so you should bet more on that. The idea of slitting on the West Ham game is a good one, but you shouldn't need to have to make 2 bets to do the common snese thing and bet less on the long shots.
either way, good luck.
Hey there, thanks for your comments. On the contrary the 50mB rule makes a lot of sense IMHO ^^ Of course you have a higher chance to win on a 1.21 odd than on a 1.6, that's the main idea. But you don't earn money because odds are in your favorite, you earn money because you believe the odds priced by the booker are higher than what the odds really are! You earn money on that difference and on nothing else  Hence the idea is to have a constant amount for two things: First is to be forced to keep a constant strategy. Without such thing, how do you determine how much you bet? Problem will be that you'll get influenced by your emotions and your previous bets. Even if you don't want to, at the moment you'll decide how much you bet, you'll get influenced. Second is to keep in mind betting is relative. You'll earn much more on a bet priced 1.8 if you estimate it's real odd being 1.5, than on a bet priced 1.2 if real odds are... well 1.2 Against the fixed bet isn't the only solution, but it's both efficient and very easy to follow It's easier for accounting, but another method isn't that hard and makes more sense. A common method is that you take your unit size (for you 50 mB) and if the odds are 2.0 or higher you bet 50mB, and if the odds are lower than 2.0 you bet enough to WIN 50mB. That way you get more money on easier bets. We don't need to go down into all the math, but it is common sense that you should bet more on bets if you are more confident in them, and you should be more confident in bets with lower odds. You are throwing away money and/or opportunity to profit by betting the same amount on a 1.2 bet as a 2.4 bet. Sorry again but I have the firm impression your reasoning is completely false ^^ What you're saying is in a sense "you bet more on lower odds because you can earn more". That makes as much sense as saying to bet more on a dice game if you have higher chances. You don't make money by betting on confident bets, you make money by betting on bets priced higher than reality by the booker. It's much more profitable to bet on something with a 2.5 odds if you think real odd is 2 than betting on 1.2 odds if real odd is 1.2 But with you're reasoning, taking the odd as an absolute can lead only to great losses because the small odds losses will be much more important than big odds win. Would you make a bigger bet on red on the roulette wheel or on the number 7? If you can't answer that question correctly this project is doomed. |
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Props for doing it the right way by keeping track of your bankroll and listing all of your bets and odds.
I would suggest not making the 50 mB a hard and fast rule. It really doesn't make sense to bet the same amount on a bet with 1.21 odds and one with 1.76 odds. One has a much better chance of winning, so you should bet more on that. The idea of slitting on the West Ham game is a good one, but you shouldn't need to have to make 2 bets to do the common snese thing and bet less on the long shots.
either way, good luck.
Hey there, thanks for your comments. On the contrary the 50mB rule makes a lot of sense IMHO ^^ Of course you have a higher chance to win on a 1.21 odd than on a 1.6, that's the main idea. But you don't earn money because odds are in your favorite, you earn money because you believe the odds priced by the booker are higher than what the odds really are! You earn money on that difference and on nothing else Hence the idea is to have a constant amount for two things: First is to be forced to keep a constant strategy. Without such thing, how do you determine how much you bet? Problem will be that you'll get influenced by your emotions and your previous bets. Even if you don't want to, at the moment you'll decide how much you bet, you'll get influenced. Second is to keep in mind betting is relative. You'll earn much more on a bet priced 1.8 if you estimate it's real odd being 1.5, than on a bet priced 1.2 if real odds are... well 1.2 Against the fixed bet isn't the only solution, but it's both efficient and very easy to follow It's easier for accounting, but another method isn't that hard and makes more sense. A common method is that you take your unit size (for you 50 mB) and if the odds are 2.0 or higher you bet 50mB, and if the odds are lower than 2.0 you bet enough to WIN 50mB. That way you get more money on easier bets. We don't need to go down into all the math, but it is common sense that you should bet more on bets if you are more confident in them, and you should be more confident in bets with lower odds. You are throwing away money and/or opportunity to profit by betting the same amount on a 1.2 bet as a 2.4 bet. |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
I'd rephrase that opinion to it looks like in your opinion this project looks like an effort. There is no honest. Honest implies transparency and answering of questions they have neither. When they answer questions such as the ones i posted and address the stats i put about potential masternodes then i'll give them more time of day. There is nothing honest about premining coins making masternodes and trickle selling on the exchanges. You just invented free currency which you don't want that you convert to btc and usd to fill your pockets. You can sugar coat it with lies about increasing the platform but this fact stands. Inventing free money and premining makes you exactly like the banking system... inventing free fiat when you feel like it. nothing dishonest about this project has been discovered or reported. some have branded it a scam and seem to have an active interest in making the label stick, but with no evidence to support. saying something is a scam, does not make it a scam. to me this looks like an honest effort at a new altcoin launch. the plan is interesting. as to whether it will succeed is another matter. Would you please explain why it looks like an honest effort? The reason nothing dishonest has been discovered or reported is because they REFUSE to answer questions or provide transparency. I have asked half a dozen times where the extra staking power comes from for "electrifying" stakers only to be ignore all 6 times. How all of a sudden do you magically get extra staking power without already having that staking in existence? My conclusion is by putting the pre mine into Masternodes. How is that honest? Same shit as XPY, almost to a T. Did you consider XPY to be an honest operation. Are we now just supposed to trust people in crypto because they say "just trust us"?. Are we not entitled to ha e questions answered? Especially with the track record of previous operations associated with the team? When they are asking for $500,000 to $1,000,000 of free money? I really want to know what bring you to the conclusion that this is an honest operation. I want to see some facts. Them being "nice" does not qualify. Do you also feel that a huge pre-mine with zero transparency is the "honest" way to launch a coin? XPY launched the exact same way... after reading through a lot of crap, i found that this team did not launch XPY or paycoin even though you and others keep saying they did. you should not trust this altcoin any more than you trust any other altcoin launch. but i see no reason to trust it any less either. They did not LAUNCH paycoin, but they got scammed by it. They also LAUNCHED xpy.io which was a failure since the price of xpy didn't go up and they ended up taking all the money they took in to start this project. Again, why do you have any faith in these people when their major qualifications appeared to be getting scammed and/or failing? |
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What theory?
he hasn't even been arrested. Budovsky was arrested in 2013, and extradited to the US in 2014, he still didn't plead guilty to anything until January. It took Pirate almost a year to plead guilty
It's not a theory that garza isn't close to going to jail, it's common sense. Getting excited about Garza going to jail before he gets arrested is silly.
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We are not even close to that point with ganza.
You need to be charged by the FBI for a criminal case and the possibility of jail. Ganza is still in civil land.
I think we are! SEC case has been "stayed" for 6 months. I think FBI, DHS & or IRS are closing in. All of the above, maybe others are building cases against them & SEC shares with all ABCs. They never even got to charges for the Paycoin scam, CoinStand, etc. I wonder which agency will do that? Perhaps that is forthcoming with the SEC's Stay? One can hope. We're still not close. he hasn't been arrested. It will be months from then. |
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Matlocks excuse for radio silence on this forum, paraphrased "if IBM doesn't answer forum posts, why should we?" I love how he keeps referring to IBM as if it's the paragon of companies. Dude was apparently in a coma for the past 20 years.  Companies do actually.. go checkout whirlpool telstra, tpg and other isp companies have staff that do reply to customer complaints on a public forum. IBM actually produces technology thats revolutionary. IBM actually has a proven "reputation", they put out financial statements that show their profits, etc o wait ionomy doesn't show where their premine etc is actually going. IBM also didn't post on a public forum asking people for handouts. I'm sure wherever they went to ask for their initial and subsequent investments people asked questions and got answers. |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
Yea, the associations with gaw and paycoin are total crap. We completely made up the fact that these people's only qualifications are that they fell for the gaw scam and then spent another year working on xpy and accomplishing nothing. You caught us. Enjoy the millions you are sure to make from these geniuses. |
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Props for doing it the right way by keeping track of your bankroll and listing all of your bets and odds.
I would suggest not making the 50 mB a hard and fast rule. It really doesn't make sense to bet the same amount on a bet with 1.21 odds and one with 1.76 odds. One has a much better chance of winning, so you should bet more on that. The idea of slitting on the West Ham game is a good one, but you shouldn't need to have to make 2 bets to do the common snese thing and bet less on the long shots.
either way, good luck.
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The guy sell VIP shares which are advertised as providing you more profit for the duration of 1 full year. Then the guy decide that his profit is not sufficient and stop paying you. The guy did stop my 1 year contract at 262 days. Then he argues that he already paid us extra and that we should feel happy. 200 days ago, when he was paying me more than he should have (from his point of view today) was he foreseeing the future and already knew that he will be short and that the reason he was paying us more. Or more probably, because at the time he was sharing the amount of profit that he deemed reasonable. So using that excuse of "I paid you more before, so feel happy" is just bull from a scammer. I just want to tell the next people that are investing in the current VIP share, that as soon as the guy maintaining the Mining Sweden site feel he has not enough profit, he will terminate your 1 FULL YEAR contract even tho you bought it ONE MONTH AGO ! After 262 day, I got up to 50.44% ROI.  Do not invest with a liar from MiningSweden. I can't believe you didn't reach ROI on your plan to borrow someone else's money printing machine. Who could have ever guessed that? I have one better for you. Invested in S5 shares at the end of August. Not even 9 months into my 1 year contract he removes my shares and payouts because they are no longer profitable. Now the s7 share payouts have been decreased so much that it isn't even possible to break even on those. And now Tommy has the audacity to offer S9 pre-sale shares? Really? What is that for? To pay your VIP share holders in what appears to be yet another ponzi cloud mining operation. Good luck trying to get any existing members to reinvest. I'll make sure i spread the word of this scammer to any potentially new customers. This operation will go under by the end of the year......i bet. Tommy is a scamming douche bag. |
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Yes I am looking for an investor, but investor based games are ponzi schemes. this is nothing like that. virtually every enterprise has an investor.
and no, im not going to do any of that. my time is valuable and your suggestions are stupid.
It appears our money is more valuable than your time. No one is going to give you anything until you prove you ar worth their time by showing how you are a good investment. I would suggest starting by explaining why you can't use the money you claim to have won the last time someone staked you to play poker. The answer to that question will be a very good first step to figuring out fi this is a good deal or not. |
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We are not even close to that point with ganza.
You need to be charged by the FBI for a criminal case and the possibility of jail. Ganza is still in civil land.
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