Mein SB sagt: ja, das geht. Verschiedene privat-depots weiss ich nicht. Ich führe bei mir nur 1 einziges privat-Depot und dann für jeden Exchange eines. Das geht ohne blockchain-info, da ich deposit/withdrawal infos von den exchanges habe. |
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Then you don't use any Bitcoin exchanges, since they also just give you IOUs?
You are correct, they also give you IOUs (see mtgox debacle for the risks). But to minimize the risk, you can immediately withdraw the asset to your wallet after trading. There is no IOU-less interface between Crypto and Fiat currencies though... well, that's because of the fiat shortcomings. No way to do atomic swaps with EUR. However, there are decentralized exchanges like bitshares for example. so instead of creating the IOUs on a server of MtGox, why are you against creating them on a public blockchain? Wouldn't that at least be a step forward in the right direction?
Yeah, maybe a step in the right direction. I have nothing against IOUs in general. Just people should not get lulled in and neglegt the associated 3rd party risk. Even with ripple (it presumably being a public blockchain or not doesn't change this), you still have that risk. It's inherent to IOUs (by design). It's just that I'd rather hold the larger part of my value in some commodity-based money (or other "tangible" assets (yes, I consider crypto tokens to be "tangible", but that's a philosophical detour)) like BCH or ETH or whatever. That way I "only" have to trust that there will be a liquid market allowing me to pull that value back out when I need it. I do not have to trust some 3rd party (however too big to fail, insured or whatnot it may be) to honor the IOUs I have with them and I do not have to trust that (or another 3rd party) to not inflate the money supply into their own coffers at will, maybe even in an opaque way. |
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ripple threads should be banned in this forum actually, ripple is not an altcoin, its the banksters breaking rules, and abusing their trust and power
I tend to agree with the latter part (it's a bankster power grab), but not with the former. We should be able to discuss ripple, even if it's not a coin (which is debatable). |
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I'd like to quote dancupid and myself. (this was 2013) Ripples are a ponzi, and that's their saving grace, since everyone knows they pre-mined 100 billion of these - so ripples are the worst investment in the world - they don't want us to invest. They've made it explicit. 'Don't invest in ripples, invest in ripples and make us rich'. It's built into the system.
Ironically that's why ripple may succeed.
You don't "invest" in ripple, it's not a currency. It's a debt-tracker. I was quite wrong, I have to admit: you can invest in ripple. Just make sure you know what you're doing. There is a huge premine and XRP are only meant as "spam prevention token" to enable the IOU-based functionality (trade, transact, exchange,...) |
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Then you don't use any Bitcoin exchanges, since they also just give you IOUs?
You are correct, they also give you IOUs (see mtgox debacle for the risks). But to minimize the risk, you can immediately withdraw the asset to your wallet after trading. |
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With Ripple, people can use any currency they choose, and the recipient can receive this payment in any currency they choose. All in a matter of seconds and free. Ripple allows you and I to trade peer-to-peer for anything of value, without a central clearing house or central exchange.
At first I was intrigued by ripple (in 2013, see OP). It's technically interesting. Over time I thought about what it was and how it worked: it's essentially a debt-tracker. We'll end up trusting ripple gateways (JP Morgan, the US govt, the ECB, etc...) and we'll end up with "managed money supplies". It's not a trustless system, it's based on IOUs. It's also doubtful wether it's an open system in the sense that anyone can join the network as a node and participate in a meaningful way. And don't even get me started on privacy or censorship-resistance. Ripple is Central Banking on steroids. I don't want that. I want p2p cash. Commodity based money. |
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Hey guys... I've just been importing my old ripple account into https://wallet.gatehub.net. I have some XRP, but also some debts (in USD and BTC) because people (who are probably mainly here) extended trust to me and they own IOUs of mine in these currencies. I saw that some of them have sizable XRP balances in their accounts. Maybe you guys wanna check? Before I settle those debts, I'd like to make sure people have access to those accounts, so I'll probably search for the account addresses and try to contact the owners... |
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sounds interesting, will definitely take a look!
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Der nächste Stammtisch ist am 10.1.2018 wie immer im Cafe Sternchance.
Die Sternchance hat am 3.1.2018 geschlossen, daher ist der Stammtisch 1 Woche später.
Fabian hat bereits den Tisch reserviert. Danke Fabian.
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why is the sudden rise of this coin, I can not see any news or announcement to be raise %170...is it just artificial pump?
I have no idea other than crypto-markets going a bit crazy in general lately. |
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Tisch ist reserviert für morgen, Mittwoch 5.12.2017 19:00 im Cafe Sternchance.
Kann leider nicht kommen. Könnte gut was los sein wegen der Meetup-Gruppe. Da haben sich einige für den "Event" angemeldet.
Vergrault die Neuen nicht ;-)
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Ich habe keine Ahnung warum eigentlich immer die Bezahlfunktion bei BTC so unterschätzt wie.
Hast du mal die fees gesehen? Es ist nicht gewollt, sonst hätten wir größere Blöcke. Wer könnte wohl nicht wollen daß Bitcoin als Geld funktioniert? Ich kenne etliche Onlineservices die BTC akzeptieren(neben Paypal, Kreditkarte und CO) und die teilweise ein drittel des Umsatzes mit BTC haben. Klar ist das noch weit unter Paypal oder Kreditkarte, aber es ist doch schon in einigen Branchen recht verbreitet. Ganz besonders bei Onlineservices......
Ja, und diese wechseln gerade zu den Alternativen.  |
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Algorithmus bezüglich der Weiterentiwcklung des Systems[/b]. Ansonsten hätten wir nämlich weder diese Diskussion führen müssen, noch würde es jemals einen Hard-Fork geben. Doch es gibt so einen Algorithmus zur Weiterentwicklung des Systems: er nennt sich "Hard-Fork". Bestes Beispiel: Bitcoin Cash.
(PS: hab nur die letzte Seite überflogen, bin auch gleich wieder weg hier, aber: habt ihr jetzt auch den Christoph von hier vertrieben?) |
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Do you still have problems?
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Did you solve your problem?
This should certainly be possible with electron-cash.
Bitcoin Cash should make it cheap to consolidate your many inputs, btw. We have more than enough room in the blocks for that.
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Is Electron Cash still clashing with Electrum on the same machine / PC?
Bump I think this is fixed in 2.9.4 ( https://electroncash.org) 2.9.4 also has the new difficulty adjustment algorithm (DAA), which it needs to verify the headers (electron-cash is a SPV wallet, so it needs to do that). Electron-Cash users will need to update to this version for the Nov. 13th hardfork.And has anyone looked at the source code of electron cash to verify it is safe?
Disclosure: I'm part of the team maintaining electron cash, so you might not want to trust me ;-) I follow all source-code changes and I never saw anything malicious being commited. The official repo is https://github.com/fyookball/electrumJonald Fyookball controls the repo and the electroncash.org website. He's an upstanding member of the Bitcoin Cash community. He builds the binaries for all platforms and releases them on https://electroncash.org. Please always verify the checksums published there. |
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Is this moon?  "6 figures", "140,000 USD/BTC". If that isn't moon then I don't know what people wish for, really :-Q 300,000 USD/BTC is when I start to worry. That's about the current "market cap" of gold. |
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AUR has reached historical bottom valuations of BTC 0.00008  This low point has been touched a couple of times in the past as marked on my crude chart above. It will be very interesting to see what'll happen. I haven't followed fundamentals much. Any predictions? |
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