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821  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Are Bitcoin private property on: October 24, 2017, 10:45:09 PM
Well, in my country bitcoin is not yet recognized as money or a currency. Bitcoin does not have legal tender. It is actually considered as property - just like labor. I guess it would depend on the jurisdiction or law of your country. It may be possible for other countries to have different recognitions on bitcoin or crypto. If this were the case, then theft or robbery may apply differently as well. The current recognition of bitcoin in my country may not constitute to theft or robbery as well.
822  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what are the things to consider in your 1st bitcoin investment? on: October 24, 2017, 10:40:26 PM
If you want to invest with bitcoin I suggest do not panic when the price goes down (do not sell your coins but hold it until the price returns to normal), usually the first person who invests his money will panic and sell all his money to not too lose. I hope you are lucky for your first investment

This is important. A lot of first time investors panic immediately when the price drops even just a little bit. Expect this to happen because it’s normal for the price to frequently go up and down. Also, don’t be too excited when the price goes up as well. Some first timers sell immediately also when the price goes up just a little — and they regret when it goes up even more right after. Try studying the price charts so that you may make a close enough prediction.

I’d like to warn OP that there is risk in investment and there’s a chance for you to lose your savings. Bitcoin has the potential to grow and increase in value in the future but it is also risky.
823  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin trading is very bad now. on: October 24, 2017, 03:49:40 PM
In trading, you win some you lose some. The price is always unpredictable and it is bound to frequently go up and down.

There are some coins which are suitable for long term. With the upcoming forks, its hard to tell what would happen with the price. Learn from your losses and just continue to hold the coins you have left. Its price is bound to recover in the future. Instead of buying some BCG - I still think that a better investment is bitcoin. This is ideal for long term.
824  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin a political coin on: October 24, 2017, 03:34:04 PM
You may say that it is political in the sense that there are attempts to have some control and power over it. Bitcoin is involved in politics because activities are done in order to gain control and much of it are being done involving bitcoin and the cryptoworld. There is the presence of whales and other corrupt influential users who want to make the most profit by manipulating the market. It's not surprising that there is such a presence because in anything which has power is given interest by those who are greedy.
825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Buying and Holding the only way? on: October 24, 2017, 03:33:51 PM
There are other ways of earning bitcoin - buying and holding is simply one of the most efficient and profitable ways. Also, it requires the least work. You may also be involved in trading if you are interested in buying other coins.

As mentioned by others, participating in a signature campaign enables you to earn bitcoin on a weekly basis. You may also offer some of your services in this forum and be paid in BTC. If you have other skills, there are some freelance jobs that pay in the form of BTC. Jobs such as programming and graphic design are just some of the few in demand jobs that are paid in bitcoin.
826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin ever be $5,000 again? on: October 24, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
I really don't think so and I'm still buying. I think $5,000 will be something we tell the next generation about  Cool


It is too fast to make any statements like this because probably after the hard fork price can come below 5000 USD once again
Yes, anything could happen. Weeks back the price went as low as $2900 from $4500 when none expected the same to take place. But the price got retained soon after the same leaving certain users into panic and sell low. Based on the same, even now things might happen but what we need to do is stay active and keep hold without getting into panic.

For all we know, anything may happen to the price. It may drop drastically at any day. The bitcoin price is very unpredictable and it may go up or down all of a sudden at any time. Most of the time, I am still surprised by the trend and price increase even if I make speculations or have expectations. Personally, I don't think that the price would go down as low as $5000 even with the fork. The price will definitely go down but not as low. It is expected for their to be a price correction after the continuous price rise.
827  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Investing all my savings! on: October 24, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
The ratio how you've split the funds among cryptocurrencies is good. Still I wouldn't invest all my saving in anything not just in cryptocurrencies. No matter how the situation is looking good and attractive and the price is high this can change and will change at some point so it's too risky to spend all your saving. Reconsider your decision one more time and maybe consult somebody that is maybe more experienced with cryptocurrency investing.

I would like to agree. You may have allocated your investment nicely but as said, it would be too risky for you to use up all your savings. The coins you plan on investing on have good potential however cryptocurrencies are very risky. There is a risk in investment and trading - a risk of losing all your savings. Are you prepared for that? It would be best to set aside some in case of a rainy day because you can never tell whether a day like that may come or other emergencies. Only invest the money which you could afford to lose.
828  Economy / Economics / Re: How do manage portfolio efficiently while having a full time job? on: October 24, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
If you want to manage your portfolio even you have a full time job then go for long term because if you will go for long term investment within your portfolio then you don't need to worry for monitoring it daily because you can do it weekly or even monthly. A portfolio doesn't is for long term in my opinion and investing for long term is the best for you if you have a full time job so you will have a back up source of income.

I would like to salute OP for being able to juggle between a full time job and managing a portfolio. There's no doubt that you're having a hard time managing both because it takes up a lot of your time.

This is the most ideal - going for long term. You wouldn't have to monitor every now and then if this were the case. You would be able to dedicate most of your time to your full job even with a long term investment because you wouldn't have to check daily. Research on which coins to buy that are good for long term investment; that way, you wouldn't have buy and sell every now and then.
829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin at all time high $6000 on: October 24, 2017, 02:44:27 PM
It would be normal to experience a price dip or price correction every now and then especially when the price gets too high. The whales would make some actions so that the price would go down and people can buy. With this kind of trend, people are unable to buy bitcoin. As compared to before, there is more demand for bitcoin because it has been gaining popularity this 2017.

It is then quite possible for there to be a price drop after the fork however I don't expect it to drop too low. Bitcoin has been continuing to grow and it will remain strong until the end of the year.
830  Economy / Economics / Re: What do you think about bitcoin interest in the near future? on: October 24, 2017, 02:38:32 PM
In my own opinion bitcoin in the future will become a large earning industry in the Internet.
I think bitcoin in the future will well known by many people and it will become famous. Since it will become famous, more and more people will invest to it and also will mine bitcoin. As a result, the limited amount of bitcoin will all be mined by miners and i think the price of bitcoin will continue to increse. But, no one knows what will happen in the near future.
I think interest in bitcoin has already started. No need to see in the future. As we see that most of the people are investing in bitcoin because the ratio of profit is far better than any other business in the world, so the people are taking keen interest in bitcoin. And it is mandatory because in the future I think there will be only one currency and that will be bitcoin. Bitcoin will be the mainstream.

That is true. Bitcoin is on the path towards being mainstream as social media has been shining some spotlight over bitcoin. There have been more advertisements about it and it's being talked about more in the public. Business and financial sectors have been giving it some notice and they've been sharing their opinions about it. It's no longer just an unfamiliar term around the corner.

I don't it would be mandatory for their to be interest on Bitcoin. It's still far from being the only one currency. It may exist coinciding with other currencies.
831  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How do you think, will states be able to regulate the crypto currency? on: October 24, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
How do you think, will states be able to regulate the crypto currency?


I think yes of course, If they want they can do it, Bitcoin is a big thing now for the most powerful countries and they want to regulate it because there is a big money that is involve inside of it and their citizens are making a profit and loss out of it so they will soon regulate it with taxes for that big money that is circulating. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchanges as of now I think is not paying in the government regarding those taxes with each every transactions so I think this is the main objective of USA.

The answer is, they can't due to bitcoin's decentralized nature. No one can regulate bitcoin transactions due to the anonymity it provides but if the government of each country are determined to control bitcoin, then I guess that if they acquire at least more than half of the total bitcoin they can monopolize and control the price using the law of supply and demand. But I also guess that if CIA were to intervene with bitcoin transaction, then they just might crackdown the secrets of regulating it, thus imposing tax and becoming a state-policy.

Acquisition of huge amounts of bitcoin would definitely affect supply and demand but then for this to happen it would take much time and money. The best part about bitcoin's decentralized nature is the lack of any control or regulation over bitcoin.

Governments may try to impose taxes on bitcoin transactions in order to generate revenue and protect the interest of the citizens. They may make some regulations such as limited bitcoin holdings or transactions to be made. The CIA may be already trying to intervene with bitcoin transactions already for as much as we know.
832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Richest Saudi's Prince Statement on: October 24, 2017, 02:25:51 PM
What can you say about Prince  Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia's  statement that bitcoin will collapse like Enron? Do you guys think that it will a significant value on the prices?


He is an individual who has his sole right to express his opinion on tropical issues to show he is current with happenings around the world and that does not mean he must show support for bitcoin. He said his own and that's it. It still does not change anything even though his popularity over there is legendary, it does not spread all over the world. Even when the president of World Bank made her own statement, it still does not change anything why would a Prince statement matter at all?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if the prince of Saudi Arabia thinks that the bitcoin will collapse then he can say so. It does not necessarily mean anything nor should we be too affected by it. He may have power and influence due to his title but his statement does change any facts. Bitcoin will collapse for different, and not because of the statement of a influential person. Anyone else can say the same thing but bitcoin will remain as it is.
833  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Interesting Case: Sell Bitcoins, Bank Account Blocked on: October 24, 2017, 04:52:21 AM
For large amounts or amounts that are out of the usual pattern of your account banks tend to treat this as suspicious and like to know where the amount came from, they need to make sure they are doing their best to counter fraud and so on but there does seem to be an issue with bitcoin transactions, this isn't the first time I have heard stories of accounts being closed due to bitcoin transactions.

I think it was just not recognized by the HSBC program as to where the money came from. Because it automatically assumed fraudulent. But still it has legal transaction record. I think it is really hard for now to make transaction from bitcoin if it is not recognized by banking programs, even if government allows it, it is not easy for banks to partner with bitcoin services. I hope their would be no more issues even if banks require more identity authorization, its ok for me as long as transaction with go smooth.

Banks always find huge or 'unusual' amounts of money to be suspicious because they are wary of money laundering and illegally smuggled money. They have many security measures and make sure that everything is clean. I agree that the system may have not recognized it and assumed it to be as fraudulent. Since most banks are not aware or are not familiar with bitcoin transactions, this made them question the 'unusual amount'. Even if it were recognized as legal in the country, banks should adopt to the increasing number of btc transactions. I think they should partner with bitcoin services so as to cater the bitcoin users. There will be more and more bitcoin users and banks should keep up with the times.
834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much closer is Bitcoin to being mainstream? on: October 23, 2017, 08:47:53 AM
We're getting there.  I've noticed more and more storefronts are starting to display the "Bitcoin Accepted Here" sign around town.  Just today I was visiting my family and we talked about Bitcoin.  My mom asked what its purpose was if noone uses it.  I did a google search and found a gas station up the road and a couple local restaurants accepted in.  She was surprised since its not a large city.

Hmm, care to share which country you are in and what city it is? I haven't seen any of it here in mine, though I would say that my country won't be the first ones to adopt bitcoin. But so far, I haven't seen many post about people sharing about stores already placing signs that they accept bitcoins.

Though, I heard a lot of good things about the lightning network, it could possibly speed up the implementation of bitcoin payment systems once it gets released.

Same here. It would be convenient if bitcoin as a payment were to be available in my country.

In light with this, I am happy to say that the popularity for bitcoin has been increasing here in my country. It's still not mainstream, yet it's no longer just an unfamiliar term for most. It's been gaining some attention by the business and financial sector, and I've been seeing it all over social media. Just recently, I saw a news article from our local news website.

Bitcoin still has a long way to go before it becomes mainstream - it'll even experience some road bumps along the way but it is definitely on the road towards becoming mainstream.
835  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to choose good coin!? on: October 23, 2017, 08:31:54 AM
Everyone says trading is easy,you have to pickup a good coin and then invest your money there..Will you guys,please tell me how I know it is a good coin or bad?What certain things I should check about that coin?What types of information helps me to know the coin is good?
If you want to invest in ICO projects, then you will expect to read the ico white paper and find out what the projects really stand for. I have also try to look at the teams of every project I want to invest in. However to buy any altcoins I do study the historical data in other to find out the past performance of that particular coins. Technical indicators show to you how a coins has been behaving and the prospect the coin has in future.

I have never heard trading to be easy but you may profit handsomely if you are able to invest wisely.

It is good to research first before making an investment and choosing a coin. There are some coins out there that are good and ideal for short term or long term trading. Most look into the dev team, whitepaper and popularity of an ICO to determine the success of the coin or project. Some look into the reviews or reactions from the other altcoin buyers. Just be very wary because some scams have professional looking ICOs and are very enticing. From these, you will be able to tell the potential of a coin.
836  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a Bubble that is just waiting to pop? 6000/8000!! really? on: October 23, 2017, 07:48:42 AM
How many already mentioned and speculated that bitcoin will bubble, bitcoin will go down, bitcoin will disappear, etc etc etc. But where's the Bitcoin now? Still the strongest crypto and it's keeping the high phase despite of many attempts to dump it. Lets just wait, invest what you can and if you have extra and we will benefit on it Smiley

Exactly my thoughts. I've been hearing that bitcoin is a bubble over and over again yet it remains to be strong. Indicators such as the massive surge of price increase and the volatility of bitcoin has suggested that bitcoin is a bubble. True, the price increase has been ridiculous especially for this year but it cannot be said that bitcoin is a bubble.

Also, just because the price goes down a bit, it does not mean that it will fall or the 'bubble' is about to burst. It's normal to experience some price corrections especially after a rise. Bitcoin will experience some dips but in the long run, it's price will just continue to rise.
837  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Do ICO's need licenses? on: October 23, 2017, 07:11:37 AM
Of course they needed to be licensed, If the Government will not be able to verify and licensed such a business crowd sourcing event then it is considered illegal and Scam. Licenses from Government will also make a risk-free on trusting the ICO because the Government acknowledged it's authenticity.

Just as with IPOs, there should also be regulations for ICOs because generally they are similar. It should be imposed so as to have some control and to avoid frauds and scams. Also, if licenses were issued it would encourage the investors because it would contribute to the legitimacy of an ICO. However, most jurisdictions have not made any specifications in their law because it may not be recognized yet. Some countries may not even recognized the presence of it.
838  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin can drop 2000$ before end of this year on: October 23, 2017, 06:15:27 AM
Can bitcoin fall 2000$ before 2018?
 
I am logical . possible Because it can not control the dump of bitcoin if it comes
But by look at the Most comments bitcointalk.org . No

Bitcoin can fall to 0 before 2018 for all we know. It's just highly unlikely. It's like how Bitcoin rising to 100,000 before 2018 is unlikely as well. Essentially, no one can predict what will happen. Bitcoin has seemingly defied odds that many have put on it. For now, however, we do know that we are in a bubble of sorts. There is a rise in btc price due to the upcoming fork. People will be dumping bitcoin gold very quickly. After that rise, there will be a decent correction period.

At this point, anything is possible. But as said, it is highly unlikely for it to happen. Defying odds is an appropriate term because most have not expected the price to be where it is right now. It is normal for their to be price correction because of the rise we are experiencing but it does not necessarily mean that it will fall to $2000 before the end of the year. Bitcoin has remained to be strong throughout the forks and FUDs it has experienced. Most of the users are confident that it will even rise by the end of 2017.
839  Economy / Economics / Re: New rich people thanks to BTC on: October 23, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
This is what I really believe is to be a new rich with bitcoin invest, seems simple because we need only capital, then be patient to wait so we get a huge profit. there is still a chance for us to become rich because of bitcoin.

True if someone just a month ago bought bitcoin when it was 4k he is now good for decent profit on just one bitcoin bought. Image if he bought more. Bitcoin is something that not just rich ones can be involved but anyone who have access to internet. This is good concept cuz with bitcoin anyone can make and save bitcoin and when it good for that person he can sell and have some money from this.



That's true. The early bitcoin adopters are now new rich people because of bitcoin. I'm amazed of some people I know who were able to buy bitcoin back when it had a much lower price and now they showed me their wallet which contained about more than triple it's price. He could buy a new house and car with the balance in his wallet. Keeping some bitcoin will definitely enable one to profit and gain much more in the future.

Bitcoin is open to anyone and may be accessed so long as there is internet.
840  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC to 7k before fork? on: October 22, 2017, 11:48:21 PM
It can be possible because bitcoin is slowly attracting investors and some big whales are investing more into bitcoin. Although it is not sure if the increase will continue, but at least it will another all time high. Because during the past days it keeps on increasing and i don't know if bitcoin will have dump but is is safe to say that after the fork, the price will reach higher than just 7k.

I did not even expect it to reach $6000 before the fork so anything may be possible at this point. Since it has been increasing these past weeks, we may expect there to be a dump or a price correction soon - I’m not quite sure whether would be before or after the fork. It is hard to tell and predict what may happen before or during the fork but I agree that we will most likely hit $7K after the fork or even higher.
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