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821  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be bigger than Facebook on: January 15, 2015, 07:23:46 AM
i think fb will evolve as they will be using stellar via stripe.
An identity based money on FB, what could go wrong?
822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 07:17:19 AM


'Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful' - Warren Buffett
funny, warren buffett say this
http://www.coindesk.com/warren-buffett-investors-stay-away-bitcoin/
I wonder what his SEC 13F says about that?
823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 06:39:37 AM
824  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Price of Bitcoin Doesn’t Matter Right Now | Wired on: January 15, 2015, 06:37:47 AM
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For one thing, there was no easy way to find things on the Web. Well, we didn’t get Google until 1998.
We had Lycos, Yahoo, Excite. Google came much later.
825  Economy / Speculation / Re: The age of BULL begins....seek ye refuge in alms to the BULL! on: January 15, 2015, 06:32:13 AM
Can we have a cool name for our God?
Bears have Kahru...
826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 15, 2015, 06:25:43 AM
Geezuz, they still can't get it right. No wonder there is so much confusion. Just like the Blockstream folks. Alot of people are going to keep losing alot of money;

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2015/01/13-blockchain-innovation-kaushal
Let's just stop calling it Bitcoin and really cause some cognitive dissonance.
827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 06:16:21 AM
828  Economy / Speculation / Re: We missed the moon on: January 15, 2015, 06:10:37 AM
We need to get a couple of celebs to gain interest... Lebron "For my next destination I'm taking my BTC to ......"

I think you might be right, we need some celebs like Justin Beaver etc
We all need to to be Justin Beaver from time to time.
829  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin revealed: a Ponzi scheme for redistributing wealth - Washington Post on: January 15, 2015, 06:08:28 AM
I read The Honey Badger Times. They give slightly less than a fuck.  Grin
830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 05:48:10 AM


'Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful' - Warren Buffett
831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 05:39:45 AM
Throwback 2011:

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Quote from: Olomana
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There doesn't seem to be a great deal of new capital entering the system...
Bitcoins are still being mined, and some fraction of those are sold to pay for electricity.  There's enough new capital coming in every day to pay for the electricity.

I can agree with your first two assertions, but I don't see market evidence of the last one. If substantial amounts of capital were being brought in, there would be a number of indicators of that (most notably that the market would be trending up rather than down).

where's the timestamps?
I took them out so folks won't necro them. They are easy enough to search.
832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 05:33:52 AM
Throwback 2011:

Quote from: rizzn
Quote from: Olomana
Quote from: rizzn
There doesn't seem to be a great deal of new capital entering the system...
Bitcoins are still being mined, and some fraction of those are sold to pay for electricity.  There's enough new capital coming in every day to pay for the electricity.

I can agree with your first two assertions, but I don't see market evidence of the last one. If substantial amounts of capital were being brought in, there would be a number of indicators of that (most notably that the market would be trending up rather than down).
833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 05:16:58 AM
We need a reset to 2 or even 1 digit numbers, before the story with mtgox and its money from thin air. Maybe another bearish year will fix bitcoin.
Not until it is 100% guaranteed that another gox/stamp won't happen.
834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: why this transaction still unconfirmed ? on: January 15, 2015, 04:54:30 AM
For one thing, they didn't include a fee. That will slow it down a bit. Greedy miners.  Grin
835  Economy / Speculation / Re: We missed the moon on: January 15, 2015, 04:49:10 AM
Bitcoin will come back again.

Next run will be powered by decentralized exchanges like coinffeine (for on-ramping) and bitshares (for trading). This wouldn't have happened without stamp, gox, and all the other continual fuck-ups by exchanges. Antifragile means we adapt and evolve.

And OpenBazaar (for commerce)  Wink
Decentralized exchanges will be slow and steady. They will provide stability.
836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 04:46:05 AM
Stop with the ccmf. Not yet, not yet. When it happens, you will KNOW.
I will post no train before it's time.
837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 04:40:11 AM


CCMF!
838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2015, 04:01:16 AM
Train ran out of coal?  Cry
Dude, we need to rebuild the tracks first.
839  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what is the spooky crazy rumor circulating about bitcoin? on: January 15, 2015, 03:57:51 AM
that is like dead and no FOOL will buy it.

many people already lost a alot of money. these are ordinary people and will never come back to Bitcoin.

The core of this shit, called Bitcoin are the normal(ordinary) people with 100-1000 usd to "invest". Once they are burned, they will not come back.

of course, the "smart" ones (exchangers and few others) earned A LOT.


I don't know anyone that recommends investing in Bitcoin. In fact, most bulls are emphatic that folks use dollar cost averaging and not impulse buying. Anyone that used DCA over 2014 is only down about 60% and if they are still buying then it will likely average out reasonably soon at this level.
840  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sell me this bitcoin.... (Wolf of Wallstreet) on: January 15, 2015, 03:53:02 AM
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Do you even know what a 51% attack is? It only does limited damage as long as it is sustained. With Bitcoin a 51% attack, even if possible is not sustainable.

Yes, I'm well aware.  Why wouldn't I be?  Too bad that ultra secure 'network' is still prone to attack.  And no, it's not a mathematical improbability.   I've seen what has transpired with several other alts when there's a monopolization of control on certain pool servers.  Yes, armed robbers can enter a bank and steal a chunk of the institution's funds.  Problem is, banks are FDIC insured.  Who insures the blockchain in the event of catastrophe?  Or is it just a case of user stupidity for keeping btc on the blockchain. Smiley

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Bitcoin is instant if you trust your payee, just like PayPal and credit cards. Bitcoins can be reversed up to ten minutes or so while PayPal and credit cards for six months.

Trust? Lol.  Apparently you don't understand the meaning of semi-transparency or complete transparency.  Refer to how that whole trust thing got people who used the largest exchanges.  I'd barely trust my own family when sending fiat, let alone a transparent form such as crypto.


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Bitcoin isn't meant to protect you from your own foolishness. You can always pay for your own insurance, but why should I pay for your foolishness?

That's a mighty fine form of idealism you got there.  This world you live in...I'd love to visit.


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If you forget or lose your wallet, you have no card or cash.

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Bitcoin isn't meant to protect you from your own foolishness. You can always pay for your own insurance, but why should I pay for your foolishness?

Oh, the irony.  So user error only applies to fiat and cc's? Gotcha.  I can place my fiat in a mini bullet and fire proof safe, then place that safe in a safety deposit box inside an armed, secured bank.  

I can replicate my bitcoin wallet on several cold storage devices...and all of the devices could fail. You know...cuz like...electronics are all subject to failure.


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Don't take your freedom for granted or you will lose it all.  

Probably the only area we agree.

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Merchant acceptance and Bitcoin vendors are skyrocketing.  

Yet merchant adoption is the same thing that hinders its price growth.  Here's a hint: merchants don't give a damn about Bitcoin or its promise like a prospector.  Their sole goal is to convert it the instant they get it to...that same very currency bitcoiners despise: fiat.   No way would they hold btc and subject themselves to mass potential losses from such a volatile market. More merchants = more bitcoins being dumped onto the market on an hourly, daily, and monthly basis = more price suppression.


 
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You pay fees to use banks and credit cards. Fiat lenders charge more than 1600% interest for many people. That means they lose 95% per year, more than Bitcoin lost.

To quote yourself, you can't protect yourself from your own foolishness.  Those who hoard credit cards and manage to dig themselves in huge debt and don't pay off their balances monthly deserve to reap what they sew.  Additionally, way to cite an outrageous extreme source to back your argument.  I get charged 12.9% APR on my visa platinum card, which I don't see any of...because I'm responsible with my finances and pay my balance off in full every month.  I don't mind paying a $50 annual fee, because...the amount of money I could possibly save in the event of fraudulent charges makes that such a small price to pay.  

Tell me what percentage of your coins you can recoup should you be scammed by a payee a few days, or weeks later?

You're also comparing fiat lending services to btc.  Now tell me how btc lenders work and how much 'insurance' you have should they pack up and steal your coins.  


Now, sell me this fiat?

I just did.  And with that fiat, you could buy a pen.  At any store in the world. Now tell me the same can be done with your bitcoin. Smiley


We'll have to agree to disagree. You have not changed my position and I haven't changed yours. Time will be the judge. Goodbye.
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