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1281  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 28, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
It was funny.
1282  Economy / Speculation / Re: What would you do with 35 bitcoins? on: December 28, 2014, 01:59:29 PM
I would start trading them and before you know it I would have 30 BTC.

That would be due to bitcoin traders using credit default swaps, naked short sells, derivatives, and currency manipulation.

I like bitcoin because in the age of credit default swaps, naked short sells, derivatives, and currency manipulation, there is a community that thrusts a finger at the banksters and is trying to bring sanity back to commerce.

That conversation had to do with Bitcoin as money.

I 50% agree with the OP. I think MtGox and other exchanges are fooling themselves to think that a few kids with PCs can compete with the big boys. There should be no day trading except through licensed brokers. In fact, the Bitcoin prices should only be reported by the brokers as well. Let them deal with the brunt of the public interface. Having a website that is open to the public is just a painted target for DDOS attackers. It would be better to have many brokers open to the public and a few exchanges only open to brokers.
This conversation had to do with trading.
1283  Economy / Speculation / Re: What would you do with 35 bitcoins? on: December 28, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
I would start trading them and before you know it I would have 30 BTC.
1284  Other / Off-topic / Re: Can Cyptocurrency Eliminate DoS attacks? on: December 28, 2014, 01:36:36 PM
MaidSafe claims to be DDOS immune.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaidSafe
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This could also ensure no DDOS attacks or server outages would occur (there are no servers).
1285  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 01:08:12 PM
This thread clearly shows how bored people are these days, trying to generate value by talking  Grin
I'm so bored I'm going through old threads.
1286  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To all the newbies, i have sum up for you about bitcoin on: December 28, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
Ironic name for OP.
1287  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Retina Scan Or Thumb Print Authorisation on: December 28, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
I would prefer some people vouch for ID and it would be good for a short time using a temporary PIN. Like a group googauth.
1288  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which BTC ATMs are 2-way? on: December 28, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
Banks could easily convert to two-way if they created multisig certificates of deposit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457930.msg5598005#msg5598005
1289  Economy / Economics / Re: Speculation will kill Bitcoin. Distribution of ownership will save us all. on: December 28, 2014, 08:56:09 AM
The problem with bitcoin is that wealth isn't distributed between a wide enogh amount of people...MtGox displayed that one major power can really make an impact on Bitcoin via the limited supply & small minority of shared wealth.
MtGox proved that most people are really stupid about handling their money. Hopefully the lesson was learned.

This is the distribution phase.
Bitcoin will always be distributed fairly because it goes directly where it is needed, not trickled down to where it is needed.
1290  Economy / Economics / Re: The Definition of Cash on: December 28, 2014, 08:52:43 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto used the term 'cash' in the title of the Bitcoin white paper. That's good enough for me.
1291  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I doubt we'll ever go mainstream on: December 28, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Crypto may go mainstream one day. BTC? Less likely so.
Unless there is a breakthrough in transaction technology, Bitcoin is the clear winner. The chances of another Black Swan event in the next decade? Near zero.
1292  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 28, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
The incompatibility lies in that Bitcoin is part of a monetary system and market economy, whereas TZM rejects the monetary system and the market economy entirely.

It's a bit ironic that although TZM rejects the monetary system and the market economy entirely, almost none of its followers do.



tl, dr

recource based economy is really just communism
Communism uses money like rubles, pesos, and yuan. RBE doesn't.

Actually no, the ruble was not a money, per se. Money is basically like any other commodity, traded on the exchange, and having its value established by the same supply vs demand aspects like everything else. Cost of labor (wages) and price of goods all change constantly in relation to money, and depend of the supply of each compared to the demand of each (how much money is in circulation vs how much that money is sought by others, compared to how many apples are in season right now vs how many people want apples, determines how much money will be exchanged for apples, aka their price).

In contrast, rubles were essentially coupons or points that could be exchanged for other things based on a fixed exchange rate. Job wages were not earned based on demand, as they would be with money, but rewarded in ruble "points" based on their perceived importance, and the number of ruble "points" spent on an apple would be set (be central planners) based on their need for subsistence, and somewhat on the complexity of its production. In essense, a ruble was no different than a card you could get for 8 free coffees, where each time you visit, one of the 8 coffee squares gets punched out with a hole punch.

So, yeah, RBE is like communism, where all resources are planned out, and allocated using the point system.
In theory I suppose. Rubles turn into money on the black market.
1293  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm so tired of seeing the complaint on block confirmation times. Here's why. on: December 28, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
I was talking about the main mining pool. I meant centralized - not mature. You are free to disagree though.
As I understand it, there are centralized mining farms, but not centralized mining pools. Miners on pools are free to jump to other pools. Mining farms don't mine on pools, but compete with them instead. Miners don't generally allow a pool to get too large. I realize that pools can conspire. As cypherdoc is fond of saying, it's not a fault with the Bitcoin protocol, it's a human choice.

True, but still looks pretty centralized to me. https://blockchain.info/pools. If a merchant connects to the top 5 pools, he has access to more than 51% of the total hashrate. I'm not criticizing the network, it's working as intended. I'm saying that it wouldn't take much for a merchant to accept 0-confirmation transactions while getting reasonable security.
I think side chains are inevitable as a necessary evil. Kinda like lawyers.
1294  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Can block rewards be sent to a multisig address? on: December 28, 2014, 07:21:14 AM
If you include a multisig transaction in your block, can you have the block reward go to that address?
1295  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [OFFICIAL THREAD] FACTOM - Offchain transactions + Factom Blocks on: December 28, 2014, 06:55:38 AM
watching
1296  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: OMG did I just loose $4000? electrum not working on mac! on: December 28, 2014, 06:06:08 AM
I hope you made a backup and wrote down the seed before loading that much money on it. If so, then take a deep breath, you'll be fine.
1297  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm so tired of seeing the complaint on block confirmation times. Here's why. on: December 28, 2014, 06:01:16 AM
I was talking about the main mining pool. I meant centralized - not mature. You are free to disagree though.
As I understand it, there are centralized mining farms, but not centralized mining pools. Miners on pools are free to jump to other pools. Mining farms don't mine on pools, but compete with them instead. Miners don't generally allow a pool to get too large. I realize that pools can conspire. As cypherdoc is fond of saying, it's not a fault with the Bitcoin protocol, it's a human choice.
1298  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 28, 2014, 05:54:14 AM
Sure, appcoins will probably have some value but it will degrade over time, just like frequent flyer miles as they will inevitably be inflated away through promises broken.

i am guna laugh my god damn ass off if an "app coin" as you call them ever over takes bitcoin lol im not saying its likely, just that it would be the most hilarious event in crypto history for me to see so many "wise men" proven wrong all in one go Cheesy

How could they as most of them have not guaranteed a fixed supply nor will function as a neutral SOV for an undefined purpose.

The way this would happen is if one of them became extremely useful and popular first. Then it would be so widely used and accepted that it could start to be used as money by others even if they had no direct interest in the underlying service. It really wouldn't take a lot for something to become more widely used than bitcoin at this point.

I don't really see this happening with something like storj (too limited in application), but something like ethereum or perhaps maidsafe has the (long shot) potential to develop in that manner.

Bitcoin uses electricity, but any resource can be used to back honest money if it uses a one way function for consensus. Systems like storj and ethereum can be built on Bitcoin. The beauty of using energy is that it's abundant.

You are looking at this in terms of what can be done (i.e. can be built on bitcoin), I'm looking at it in terms of what may actually happen.

Systems like ethereum or maidsafe could possibly become vastly more widespread than bitcoin on an explosive basis (i.e. far faster than bitcoin can adapt, if there is even a desire by the bitcoin community to adapt). Vastly more popular means only tens of millions of users or possibly 100 million, which really isn't that many when you consider something a simple application like whatsapp with a billion users.

At that point the liquidity argument usually made in favor of bitcoin applies strongly against it.

To be clear I don't expect this to happen, but i recognize it as a possible low probability outcome.
Maidsafe is interesting, but doesn't sound like it's good one way function. Also, it would be easy to clone and sell by storage technology companies. Unlike ASIC manufacturers, they could offer incentives and discounts for adopting their centralized storage systems. In that way it's a lot like PoS systems. Perhaps every hard drive manufacturer should develop their own storage coin.

My understanding was that maidsafe was not just storage but more of a general purpose network services platform. If I'm incorrect about that, an I may be, then I would put it more in the category of storj.
Perhaps. BitPay's Foxtrot seems to be a similar approach. They all think that they can be universal currencies but they don't realize they are merely planets revolving around Bitcoin.
1299  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 28, 2014, 05:49:11 AM
If JS wants to analyze South Asian discussions about new technologies, then bless his heart. At the risk of sounding racist, I have a hard time taking their politics seriously. In fact, I don't take any politics seriously anymore. When it comes to solutions for poverty, I have my own mission here in the Philippines. They are much smaller than India, but East Asia in general probably has a lot more potential then South Asia. I tried to watch that video but fell asleep.

You're missing the point. The point is the blogger (who is lythos btw) is twisting words and using an hour long video that nobody gives a shit about (including you, which is what clickbait like that relies on, btw, collective you not questioning how shitty the journalism is because you agree with/benefit from what is being stated) to make a bold "India is pro-bitcoin" statement. Which is an incredible stretch of the imagination in context, but does serve quite well, again, as clickbait.

Getting assholes like me to click on it to pick it apart is probably just gravy for the viewcount.
It takes India decades to get interested in anything. I don't begrudge lythos for posting clickbait especially when he adds "to the moon" to his comment. I guess it may fool some people. Yeah we need assholes like you too.  Grin
1300  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 28, 2014, 05:20:33 AM
I've experienced first hand how you respond to real arguments. You say they're not real arguments and they must be obvious trolls. If those are the type of people you ignore, why don't you just admit that you ignore anyone who disagrees with you?
Who are you to judge the merits of his argumentation?

Do you understand what "first-hand" means?
I'm not talking about specific arguments. You have the power to ignore or register complaints. This is just ad hominem. Your admonishments are noted, but move on and don't worry about how other people roll.

I'll concede the ad-hominem, allow me to rectify it:

Stolfi is trollin', for sure, but he is making a very obvious point while doing so, and instead of responding to that point, he just rides the "omfg troll" horse (mainly because Stolfi gave him the opportunity, because you can kind of tell Stolfi just doesn't give a fuck anymore) and gets an immediate pass from people who support his opinion (for example, you).

The obvious point Stolfi is making is that he's taking a quote that, to paraphrase, essentially says "I think we might go cashless someday, and virtual currencies will improve and become safer, and might just become the norm" and making it "pro-bitcoin." It's actually quite a big leap if you stop and think about it. Does he mean bitcoin, or does "improve" mean he thinks something will replace bitcoin? Does he couple the term "safer" with "improve" to imply that bitcoin is not safe? It's hard to tell, so to just blindly call it a "pro-bitcoin stance" is biased, don't you agree?

And keep in mind these are just questions raised from what he quoted. That's an hour-long video there, nobody visits a blog to watch an hour-long video.
If JS wants to analyze South Asian discussions about new technologies, then bless his heart. At the risk of sounding racist, I have a hard time taking their politics seriously. In fact, I don't take any politics seriously anymore. When it comes to solutions for poverty, I have my own mission here in the Philippines. They are much smaller than India, but East Asia in general probably has a lot more potential then South Asia. I tried to watch that video but fell asleep.
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