It should be noted that before Reagan became president the defecit had been steadily dropping since world war 2, which cost a boatload of money. During and after reagan the defecit has been rising ever since, only slowing down and decreasing when clinton put in place tax reforms and tax rises. This alone should be fairly good evidence then decreasing taxes doesn't actually make more money since every time the tax rate has been decreased it's just resulted in the country getting into more debt.  |
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If you post an opinion that someone doesn't agree with they don't post a critical response on why you're wrong or why their argument is right (which is the standard debating system you realise) they instead just say "nope you're trolling" and ignore it. This is pretty much why the bitcoin forum was disowned by the devs because it just makes the forum look like a load of right wing anarchist lunatics, which they don't really want associated with bitcoin in such an obvious way.
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Everyone's always like "oh it's the illegal immigrants taking all the jobs/stealing welfare/stealing healthcare/being criminals" but then when a country actually actively tries to do something about the illegal immigrant problem everyone whines about it. Pathetic.
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It's a shame cold fusion is a complete load of bollocks huh?
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it should be noted that the patent on this tripe was rejected because it "broke the laws of phsyics", sweet.
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In conclusion it's going to be fucking expensive.
No shit? Ever think about how much money we could save simply by not blowing people up every day? Hmm yes virgin routinely spends all of it's money on blowing people up. If you're gonna make a comparison about how much virgin wants a space station don't then fall back onto the argument that somehow the government spending less on defence will help that. Where, exactly, do you think that money, not to mention the resources, come from? Stolen from the private sector. I forgot how the USA entire space budget is paid solely by virgin group, despite their complicated series of offshore trusts that mitigate a huge portion of the tax they should be paying. And yeah, currently almost all space development is either paid for, contracted by or done on behalf of nasa, simply because they have money to spend on it and because any sort of space research is fucking expensive. |
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The best solution is to leave it. The developers don't want bitcoins name sullied by this, in my opinion, somewhat awful forum.
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In conclusion it's going to be fucking expensive.
No shit? Ever think about how much money we could save simply by not blowing people up every day? Hmm yes virgin routinely spends all of it's money on blowing people up. If you're gonna make a comparison about how much virgin wants a space station don't then fall back onto the argument that somehow the government spending less on defence will help that. |
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Ugh and just like that a thread about why this forum is regarded as terrible turns into a case study on the subject.
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I think you're underestimating how much rocketry costs.
I think you underestimate how badly Virgin wants to be in space. And as soon as someone's got a station, Someone else is going to want a moon base. The price for a Virgin Galactic ticket to just over 100km in space, Not at an orbital velocity, is 200,000 dollars per person. You need to be at 200kmish even for low earth orbit and that's not even including cargo such as the space station that you want to put up there, which needs to be radiation shielded, micrometeorite shielded and vacuum shielded, two of the three of which need stupidly powerful radar and Solar observation stations, in addition to putting the damn thing up there in the first place. In conclusion it's going to be fucking expensive. |
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Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If the bitcoin community as a whole doesn't stamp out people using bitcoin to power and spread botnets for profit then someone else will, and people won't look too kindly at bitcoin over it, is the point I'm trying to get at. |
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Do you believe you are personally "doomed" because you will eventually die?
Nevermind, this is philosophy question best discussed in another thread.
Back to the point, at what year do people think a human being will ever step foot on the moon again (or another planet). At what year do people think a human being not sent by a nation-state will?
I, a human being, have to die, because my body will eventually break down. We, the human species, do not have to die. I don't see us as being more than 10 or 20 years from being back on the moon, at minimum. That foot will not be from a nation-state. I think you're underestimating how much rocketry costs. |
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unfortunately this isnt really a new issue. bitcoin malware has been in the wild for a while. in fact, im pretty sure one of the latest metasploit releases contained the wallet stealer in its program. anyone can go onto hack forums and buy silent miners and zombie computers for thier botnet.
as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread. yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.
that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin. look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart. most computer users know the risks.
The difference being when you've got trojans that specifically do nothing but setup botnets for the sole harvesting of bitcoins it's going to give bitcoin a really bad name with security companies really quickly. Unless the community is going to actively try and prevent this sorta shit happening bitcoin is going to get a really bad name with important places and people who we'd probably rather not piss off! |
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From the ground you need to get 8.4km/s of velocity to get into low earth orbit. The G-forces alone on any length of circular track would kill the pilots and would probebly need to be made entirely of diamonds or something equally silly to withstand the forces.
Why would that be since we're not trying to reach 8.4km/s within one round? It just needs to be a circular track with a switchable track section somewhere, like the way they switch train tracks, so that once the vehicle reaches the necessary velocity, the track is switched to the launch ramp section instead. I don't think you understand how centripical forces work, the force you endure is related to the velocity you're moving in a circle, squared. Even on circle 10km in radius you'd have a force of some 560kn acting on a human body weighing 80kilograms, as well as acting on the walls of the craft and whatever it is thats accelerating it. The only reason it's practical with particles is because they weigh fuck all. |
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They have disassociated us with the front page. The obvious question is why?
We are who we are: the main users of the Bitcoin software and, frankly, libertarian views, excessive speculation and such comes with it.
Why resent nature?
Bitcoin isn't necessarily limited to those who hold libertarian views. I think that many of the non-forum users hold a variety of views. Personally I'm pretty far to the left, in the the socialist area. The appeal of the currency being anonymous holds more interest to me than the fact that it is decentralized. But by having these forums officially (through a subdomain of the project) affiliated with the project makes users who fail to hold the same views as the forums majority feel marginalized and unwanted. I am not against the existence of a forum for the discussion of politics related to bitcoin; I simply do not believe that it belongs here. This forum should be moved offsite, not linked to by the bitcoin project site, and be replaced by a forum dedicated solely to the help of users/development of bitcoin-related projects. In its current form, this forum represents the bitcoin community poorly. Yeah pretty much, I like bitcoin because It's anonymous and anyone with a computer and internet connection can use it, not because I want to hoard them like gold or because I hate the government or because I hate fiat money, or because I believe a man is worth the sole sum of his monetary possesions, and being told that my opinions are invalid simply because I don't agree with those views, rather than through critical analysis, is just fucking terrible |
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A dedicated nuclear or hydro plant with a capacitor stack may be enough. Also, the vehicle itself will not be heavy, since it won't have to carry the fuel and rocket shells with it (you'll only be moving the shuttle, not the booster rockets and giant tank).
Worse case, you can just fire the thing out of a tunnel, with a series of gas explosions behind it, like a gas gun. Still way more efficient, since the fuel is still stored on the ground, instead of being launched along with the vehicle.
This discussion just reminded me of a possibly silly idea from my high school day when asked to think of ways centrifugal (or was it centripetal) forces could be used. I didn't know maglev then but had this idea of a "box" attached to a very long and strong "metal" string and basically spun a space craft round and round until it was fast enough to let loose. Bringing forward today, I wonder if a circular maglev track, possibly a "L" instead of flat to keep the vehicle from hitting the side, would be a more effective way than using a mountain. After all, it should be cheaper to build a big round track with a switchable track section to a launch ramp than build a very long one up somebody's mountain. So spin the vehicle up to speed, possibly at G forces that are more comfortable than what astronauts have to put up with at the moment since we could just spin more rounds to reach the target velocity, then slingshot it into the sky. Maybe somebody who can do maths and physics better than me could figure out if it is even theoretically possible to reach orbit from an initial velocity at near ground. From the ground you need to get 8.4km/s of velocity to get into low earth orbit. The G-forces alone on any length of circular track would kill the pilots and would probebly need to be made entirely of diamonds or something equally silly to withstand the forces. |
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Just because I reposted something from a shitty "comedy" forum that this forum has linked to multiple times doesn't mean I'm a troll, hth.
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Yup. there are Dozens of ways to get into space without carrying rockets up with you. The old, inefficient way is not the only way to do things. Kind of a shame even the most basic of those cost a huge amount of money and would need trillions of dollars in infrastructure and research, and the materials needed for them are still well out of our hands. The only one which is even remotely feasable with current spaceflight technology is the launch loop, and even then it'd pretty much require huge international co-ordination to pull it off. |
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The ultraright-wing, libertarian, anarchist conspiracy theorists are the only ones interested in that kind of stuff, so I'd say direct your focus at them to see bitcoin grow in strength (you'll need it to withstand the attacks from its most ferocious competitors). Does it make sense?
There are plenty of normal people interested in and curious about Bitcoin. They go looking for more information, end up here, and start to have second thoughts because of the political kookery and general idiocy that they find here. There's no reason that the Bitcoin project should have an official libertarian/anarchist/conspiracy theorist/right-winger forum. If you want to promote Bitcoin to those groups, do it on their forums. And don't forget the most effective/realistic approach: spend bitcoin to save/grow bitcoin. Basically, pay someone (e.g. bitcoin fans, etc) to come up with a better forum (in terms of usability/accessibility/whatever) or something completely new.
Don't need money, just need more participants.On the other hand, if I could pay to have forum.bitcoin.org shut down right now, I'd do it. Yeah, I'm seriously regretting trying to post here now, you post something that doesn't fit with someone elses worldview and they start a massive fucking witchhunt for "trolls" and label you as one. See this thread for a pretty good indication. I post a thread pointing out that people are using viruses to build botnets solely to mine bitcoins, which is very quickly going to get it banned by governments and suchlike, and people just label you as a troll despite evidence from these very forums. |
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This witchhunt shit is starting to piss me off, I can seriously see why the bitcoin devs are distancing themselves from this forum. If you guys aren't going to take a serious fucking problem like this seriously then whatever, enjoy bitcoin while it lasts before it loses all credibility.
Incidently, this wasn't my PC, I was reposting something for someone since they can't post here due to the postcount lower limits.
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