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881  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: 7 People arrested for Bitcoin Trading on: October 09, 2017, 01:55:00 AM
They were doing more than just trading, they were running an exchange.  Running an unlicensed exchange is risky business in any country.  

But I find this sentence from the OP article to be most interesting:

"He further said that if found guilty the suspects will be punished under the prevalent laws of Rastra Bank."

Are finacial laws in Nepal set by the bankers?


It's not just that they were running an unlicensed exchange. Bitcoin trading is downright illegal in Nepal. It's sad, but these people are most likely going to be made an example of.

It kind of makes you wonder just how much power a government can have regarding cryptocurrencies. They can't monitor and stop every single transaction, but they can jail exchanges to make sure their currency isn't used to buy and sell Bitcoins. This problem can theoretically be averted by vendors accepting Bitcoins as payment, so there would be no need to convert, but it still sucks that some governments are too averse to new technologies.

With this kind of law and recognition in their country, then the simple act of trade would constitute to an illegal activity. For there to be fraud, there would have to be deceit and intention to cause a wrong doing against other persons but since the simple act of trading is declared to be illegal, then the persons involved were jailed.

This would inevitably happen when a government declares this kind of jurisdiction pertaining to cryptocurrencies. Even if you do not intend to harm anyone, you may be jailed by simply performing these kind of acts.
882  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: October 08, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
If you want to earn more money, it depends on your capital, the more money you have the more money you can earn . It's working like Proof of Stake. More money you owned will give more chance to earn huge money. I would like to suggest you trading is better. Gambling is too risky which you can easily lost your money very fast.

You might have a point here, it takes money to make money. But if you join in an campaign its your effort that is being paid by bitcoin or altcoin. Then with this you can save and have a startup capital  and  use this earning in trading. This is a good idea in my opinion and that is also my plan.

Also you can earn from social media campaign.

Trading can be profitable if you have knowledge and skills in trading. If you have knowledge and skills about cryptos then surely it will double or triple your capital. Anyway, you have to work hard for it to earn more profit.
I think there is nothing important and need to learn about trading, because it all depends on luck, trading is almost the same as gambling if we get the luck then we profit and vice versa.
This is completely wrong, if you know nothing about trading then you are effectively gambling with your money, and I will say that this will be worse than gambling since you are not going to get any fun and your chances of making money are zero, however if you take the time to study the markets there is a good chance that you will eventually be able to make winning trades in a consistent basis.

It doesn't just take luck for you to be able to trade. You might as well be wasting a lot of money if you make careless trading decisions. There are risks to trading and in a way, it would be like guessing and it is also somewhat similar to gambling but I disagree that you would only need luck in trading. Most successful traders have accumulated knowledge and experience - with this they are able to make wise decisions.

Also, it doesn't just take money to make money. One could have a large capital and plenty of money but without the right skills and knowledge, they could just easily lose that money if they don't make the right financial decisions.
883  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptotourism - is it evolving? on: October 06, 2017, 08:28:40 AM
I am not sure if anyone used this term before here, but would like to discuss with you guys, when we have great and working opportunities and abilities to travel and use full services using cryptos and Bitcoin only?
So far we can get services, food, museums, etc. only at specific places and countries. It's impossible to travel using only digital coins probably.

So what are your thoughts and future vision about that?

I think it is not yet possible because of the limitations of the merchants who will accept digital money as payment. Many people or business owners perhaps do not know about digital currencies yet and even if some do, they still hesitate because of the volatility of it making them worry if ever when they accept and they would end up losing because their business is still calculated base on fiat and not in bitcoin. You can travel with digital coins but you need to find someone who can exchange it for fiat in some place so that you can purchase something.

That's true. It will be a problem for the merchants to accept BTC because they may incur a loss when the price goes down. The price of bitcoin fluctuates too frequently, so this would be problematic on the part of the merchant.

However, it would be convenient for a traveller if they had the option to pay with BTC. There won't be the hassle of having to convert the prices mentally everything you buy before you make a purchase so as to make a comparison with your own local currency.
884  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I'm a beginner, I want to start trading. What should i do? on: October 06, 2017, 08:12:46 AM
First thing that you should do if you want to enter on the market is to make a research about a certain coin that you want to invest and study it so that you have a knowledge on what you are entering and also you can make a strategy that helps you to make a profit from it.
Researching on a coin before buying in is always very important. Find out more, see if it comes with a strong backing, most especially if it is new and see if the position is a very good one to buy. However, altcoins can be quite risky most times when they are new so it is always good to trade the ones with high market cap and support than trying out something you will need a huge research to be sure.

Choose carefully what coin to invest on because not all of the coins will prosper, and your investment might go to waste and it will just incur a loss on their part. Conducting thorough research on the coin will help you choose wisely and minimize this risk.

Also, be constantly updated on current news and events so that you may deduce some predictions from this. These won't tell you what the price will be but perhaps you can make a close enough guess. The prices frequently fluctuate and it is sometimes affect by the current happenings so best be always updated.
885  Economy / Economics / Re: Are you in the Christmas spirit? on: October 06, 2017, 07:50:42 AM
Last year, if I remember correctly, bitcoin spiked around Christmas time. It's that time of year again, and are you guys ready for some volatile action? Well I am!

I'm expecting the price to jump to almost $900. How about you?
Woahhh , really? I'm glad to hear that. It is my first Christmas with bitcoin and I am excited on what will going to happen. I'm hoping for the high value of bitcoin on this coming Christmas, cause you know? Christmas is the season if giving. If that happens it'll be the greatest thing that I can receive in Christmas
I couldn't believe that we are near to have a bitcoin value spike for this Christmas. I have to run more to earn more bitcoins. If your words become true we will get a decent profit for this Christmas as a gift. Also i have a thought of buying some bitcoin in decimals Cool to hold them for profit.

Is this is what to be expected this Christmas? If this were the case, then I'll try to hold the coins that I have until Christmas. I'd be able to buy gifts for my friends and family, and probably spoil myself a little. Instead of cashing out now, I'll probably wait until December hoping that its value will get a little higher. Some have speculated that its possible for bitcoin to reach $5000 or $6000 by the end of the year
886  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcons are just empty numbers on the internet without any value or legal power on: October 06, 2017, 07:27:49 AM
Bitcoins on the other hand, don't have value on their own, and if nobody wants to accept them in exchange for dollars, goods or services, no legal action can be taken by their 'owners' to get some kind of value out of them. As such, Bitcons are just empty numbers on the internet, which means that people are exchanging real values for literally nothing.

That's all well and good, but fiat suffers from the same problem. They're just paper without demand, and you just can't magically say banks will bail you out. If your currency fails, you'd best keep in mind that you're not the only client they have to appease. There have been precedent for that, too -- currencies have failed before, the Zimbabwean Dollar being one of the most recent examples. Bitcoins have no intrinsic value, and neither does fiat.

As for legal support, well, decentralization comes with certain liberties, but at the same time, you have to let go of some privileges. We all know we're completely responsible for ourselves. One thing is for sure though: we're not trading nothing. Value is a man-made concept, and for as long as there is demand for Bitcoins, it will never be just numbers.

I agree. Fiat would also then be just numbers written on a piece of paper just as bitcoin are just numbers in the internet were it not for the demand. The demand on a currency dictates its price and gives "value" to these as well. Its users have been giving these value because they are being used by them.

It's true that most jurisdictions do not have any specifications for bitcoin yet but I don't see how this makes fiat an asset because of its legal power? Fiat is legal yes, but how is different from bitcoin in terms of legal power as OP have said? I don't quite understand what do you mean by "no legal case can be made to get some kind of value out of them". If you are referring to recovery in case of deceit or lost - then fiat is recognized whereas with bitcoin, there are no legal ways to recover them? Surely in the future there will be adjustments made for this since bitcoin is getting more and more recognized.
887  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to be international currency on: October 04, 2017, 12:22:40 AM
Bitcoin already known and used worldwide. Sure the number of people who use bitcoin is still not as big as we wanted to but it is not small neither. I wish that Gox thing never happened. Because of that scam people got scared a lot and they see bitcoin as scam sadly.
how to make all people love this currency, and change bad image (scam) about bitcoin?

Bitcoin is already being recognized as legal by a lot of governments and countries and I think this would contribute to the legitimacy of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. With this, Bitcoin has been getting more and more popular everywhere - positively and not negatively like a scam as you've said.

It would be awesome for it to be an international currency because a lot of people will be able to use it easily and conveniently, and this would give some ease for those who are travelling.
888  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin rise is over on: October 04, 2017, 12:19:50 AM
Every time that we see a minor price drop, a lot of thread starts popping in saying that bitcoin is headed for doom and will crash. Yeah I agree, it will crash soon. But, did you also point in the graph that it can and will recovered from the crash? And the like scenario is the negative news that was cause by China, the price crash, however two weeks since and the price goes to $4000+. And besides, we can't compare what happened in 2013 to today. And the price just dip by $200. I hope you will also create a thread when bitcoin surges past $5000.

I've seen countless threads saying that Bitcoin is a bubble but here we are, experiencing more and more growth over the years. People have been saying this for year and look at the people who didn't believe in bitcoin a few years back - they deeply regret it to this day. It's not surprising to see that bitcoin will experience a price drop and its just normal for it to go down. I don't think that the price will stop increasing because of this.
889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are your plans with your Bitcoin? on: October 04, 2017, 12:15:33 AM
I plan to hold as long as possible because I believe that the value of bitcoin will become very much higher in the future. Although I must admit that I've been tempted countless times to just convert it into fiat and spend it on material things, I will try as much as I can to remain strong. I've already spent some because of some needs but as much as I can, I will just store it in my wallet.
890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is instant way to get rich ? on: October 04, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
I don't think there's an instant way to get rich, it takes time and effort to get it. Are you sure the bitcoin price will be high as it's now if you bought it 4 years ago. We can not really predict the bitcoin price. Only those who see value and have a strategy on investments that can get rich

I have to agree with you. There may be no instant way to get rich because everything takes hard work and effort. Bitcoin is a good investment in the long run because its value will surely increase in the future, and it will take you hard work and effort to hold it and prevent yourself from spending plus continue earning it. Thus, even in bitcoin it will take some hard work for you to get rich just as with anythin else.
891  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Being Unemployed Drives People to go to Bitcoin on: October 03, 2017, 11:23:27 PM
I completely agree. When I first learned about bitcoin I was unemployed and even student. It quickly got my attention. I didn't know about finance but learning was very fun. And bitcoin gave me different vision.

I am in a similar situation. Bitcoin provides you with the opportunity to earn, so the unemployed are definitely encourage to engage in earning bitcoins such as participating in signature campaigns. The nice thing about this is you won't have to go through the hassle of applying or validation for you to earn bitcoins because there is no requirement - all you need to have is an internet connection and working device. Even if you have a regular day job, you can earn bitcoins as a sideline income.
892  Economy / Speculation / Re: When the price of the BTC will be equal to $ 10 000 ? on: October 03, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
If I had to predict I would say sometime in early 2018. The price of Bitcoin still has a lot of room to fluctuate this year over media mentions. I think once the mainstream starts adopting BTC into banks, ecommerce, services, etc is when we will see Bitcoin price really go up past $10,000.

The ironic thing is that most people are looking at Bitcoin as an investment rather than a currency, so if you just hold on it, Bitcoins should be the greatest investment you ever make.

Wow that would a big jump if it happens in early 2018.

But I have to agree that a lot of adoptions are being made for bitcoin and it's not far from being mainstream. It's becoming more and more popular and I've been seeing a lot of advertisements on cryptocurrencies. Also, the mainstream media has been giving more attention to it.

Most did not expect bitcoin to be the price as it is now, so I guess we can never tell what the future holds for the bitcoin price. For me, I think around mid or end of 2018, it would be possible for bitcoin to hit 10K.
893  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Time management. on: October 03, 2017, 10:36:15 PM
I am balancing my time in studies and bitcoining. I spent my time in reviewing and when I'm done, I almost comsume the time in earning bitcoin.

I am also a student so at the end of the day when I'm done with my studies, I get to spend the rest of my spare time on this forum. I typically spend about 2-3 hours on this forum. I have to admit that its hard because there are a lot of times that I need to spend late nights to review and do other academic requirements thus losing any spare time left but it's all a matter of priority. Prioritize what is important so that you don't waste your time and efforts.
894  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How people hide their tracks on bitcoin transactions. on: October 03, 2017, 10:26:41 PM
They are mixing it and dividing into much smaller amounts, because it's easy to track 1 address with 1000BTC, but it's much harder when you have 1000 addresses with 1 BTC on each.
The easiest way to hide your illegally obtained coins is to mix it with legal ones. You can use a mixer, a casino, or even an exchange. Many exchanges allow unverified users to trade, you are only required to verify when you're withdrawing.

I believe that they probably have been using bitcoin mixers. Not sure how it operates but from my understanding, even if the transactions of your bitcoins are traced, the use of a bitcoin mixer would mix up your bitcoin with a bunch of others thus you would have a hard time finding it.

Another is your advantage of anonymity. You can easily exchange it without the need of validation or verfication, therefore a lot can really get away with it.
895  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC for taxi on: October 03, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Perhaps in the future when bitcoin is more mainstream and widely used, this would be convenient for the bitcoin users especially when they're caught in a situation of having no cash to pay the taxi fare. I remember one time when I rode a taxi, I didn't have enough cash on me to pay the taxi and it was ridiculously high because of the traffic and distance of my destination. I ended up having a debt with the driver because of this. I guess if one could opt to pay with bitcoin, you could avoid a situation like this.
896  Economy / Economics / Re: How to make a win-win situation for both government and digital currency ? on: October 03, 2017, 10:14:53 PM
How a government can still manage its control over currency and finance without harshly regulating digital currencies ? Can we ever have a win-win situation ? Is there any economic model for decentralized currencies ?

Well, I think the only win that the government can get from crypto is taxes. Yet, people who want to use bitcoin and other cyrptocurrencies for daily transactions do not want those taxes. It's an immediate conflict and as of now, I don't think there's a valid solution.

Taxes is a way for the government to generate income and revenue but then as you said, I'm sure that the bitcoin users would be against this because this would mean additional cost for them. But this would be the likely thing for the government to do, as with other new entities that need control.

I remember when Uber was new in our country, nothing was done to regulate it but after some time they require them to have some licensure. Uber can still continue its operation and at the same time - is regulated by the government. Perhaps something like this would be applicable for bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
897  Economy / Economics / Re: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A NASTY DIVORCE AND A FAT BTC WALLET? on: October 03, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
I'm assuming most would have read, watched and some probably experienced divorce proceedings.
It's certainly not a pretty thing, especially when it's a nasty one. Now, the question is do you
reveal your BTC wallet address when undergoing proceedings or do you simply keep shtum.
Or maybe you have been careless enough to let your spouse know about your crypto dealings.
Do you willingly part with the nice rising BTC or do you offer to pay up in Fiat?

This post is merely for fun, 'I AM NOT MARRIED' Grin

It should be treated as an asset. This means that if the other party mentions it, they are entitled to half of it (I think, if I'm not getting it wrong). Beyond that, I would say it's just treated as anything else (like stocks and such) during a divorce.

Since it's an asset, it should be declared along with the rest of your property and possessions. Despite your feelings and being bitter of the split up, it's still her right to have half.

However, I think it would be useless if my wife doesn't know or understand what Bitcoin is. She won't be able to utilize it unless we convert everything to fiat the half of her share, which would pretty much be a waste. If it were up to me, I probably won't declare it especially if she has no crypto knowledge.
898  Economy / Speculation / Re: I See bitcoin at $10,000 before end of this year. on: October 02, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
I don't think 10K is possible this year bc we still have that stupid 2x hard fork drama to deal with in Nov. But hey, back in January most of us here didn't think 2k was possible either. and most of us were dead wrong. I could be wrong again but I think for the price to reach 10k its going to need a better catalyst than just Amazon accepting Bitcoin. Perhaps the winklevii ETF approval or PBOC unbanning Bitcoin exchanges or both?

Perhaps its too much of a big jump for Bitcoin to get to 10K by the end of the year. I have to admit that I did not expect for the price to be as it is now and we can never tell what may happen in the future. I think that the hard in November will cause a disruption in the increasing bitcoin price but it won't stop it. More road blocks and negative news will come to but along with it, more and more bitcoin adoptions and legalizations will help Bitcoin rise.
899  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you use a Bitcoin debit card? on: October 02, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
I don't really understand the point of them. It's just too easy to change between Fiat and Bitcoin and back again. Really I kind of used Bitcoin for one set of things and fee on for another set of things so I don't see the need to have that sort of instant access through an ATM card.

You are right. There is no such need of keeping the Bitcoin Debit card. But I think there will be no harm in it that if we keep it with ourselves and use it. It will do nothing but will give us more comfort as compared to what we had in past and will help us in managing the things in a better way as before.

The local exchange wallet that I've been using has given me some convenience because I can easily exchange my BTC into fiat but I think having a bitcoin debit card would also be convenient. With a bitcoin debit card, I won't have to retrieve or carry the fiat. Fees may be a problem but there are also fees when I exchange BTC and when I use credit cards. I don't own a bitcoin debit card because I don't think that it's available in my country nor will I be able to use it as there are no merchants which accept it, from my knowledge.

I guess it could also provide you a sense of security, because you may use the bitcoin debit card in times of emergency.
900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: can gambling give you lessons in life? on: October 02, 2017, 05:47:40 AM
I think that it definitely could especially once you've experienced losing money while gambling. It can teach you to be more wiser of your decisions and to think carefully consider first the risks before making a bet. Losing some money in gambling can also teach you to never bet with money that you're not prepared to lose.

Gambling doesn't only teach you when you lose money but also when you win some. Besides the aforementioned lessons you may get when you lose money, gambling could also teach you to take some risks. When there's high risk, there's also a possibility of high reward.
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