from another thread
"Immediate concerns would be that UDP isn't a guaranteed delivered protocol (so packets may well never arrive), that the "Security Considerations" section of the paper is wrong (not sure how they got the impression you can't forge UDP origin), in fact very wrong (MiTM attacks, attacks on routing infrastructure), and simply skips most of the detail. Further concerns would be that any major network split seems inevitably likely to fragment the coin horrifically as there's no reconciliation mechanism I can see. It also seems incredibly optimistic about network propagation times - if we were confident about network relay speed, block times would be down in the seconds range (because why not?), rather than minutes.
Emphasis concerns, this is my quick eyeball over the paper without time to look at the code. Hopefully others can comment more meaningfully."
John has past experience with million node UDP networks, you can be sure he has read up on what he does. Doubt he would skip solving the problems of UDP that a wikipedia can list also. He modified it to work with a cryptocurrency networks and it will be lossless. |
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That's what I'm saying. I've heard a LOT of hype, and even some allegations (to which the lead dev simply replies, "prove it with the blockchain") but I haven't heard anyone *independant* tell me they've reviewed the white paper or the code and think it's a brand new and possibly world-altering technology (like with the original blockchain or Cryptonote).
Something feels *off* about vanillacoin and until one of the trusted and long time accounts here (with dev experience) can confirm there is something special about it, I'm staying away: no matter how high it's crazy run takes it.
Immediate concerns would be that UDP isn't a guaranteed delivered protocol (so packets may well never arrive), that the "Security Considerations" section of the paper is wrong (not sure how they got the impression you can't forge UDP origin), in fact very wrong (MiTM attacks, attacks on routing infrastructure), and simply skips most of the detail. Further concerns would be that any major network split seems inevitably likely to fragment the coin horrifically as there's no reconciliation mechanism I can see. It also seems incredibly optimistic about network propagation times - if we were confident about network relay speed, block times would be down in the seconds range (because why not?), rather than minutes. Emphasis concerns, this is my quick eyeball over the paper without time to look at the code. Hopefully others can comment more meaningfully. Regarding a discussion about UDP and packet loss: http://pastebin.com/s459tnT5This was 2 months ago and he may even further developed the system. |
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However, even very advanced concepts like the blockchain and cryptonote were able to be distilled down into easy to understand concepts for beginners. Can you try to explain how zero-time and Vanilla Coin achieve sub-second confirmations in layman's terms?
I saw the XMR presentation from the Bitcoin conference recently, are you implying that was easy to understand for someone who just heard of Bitcoin? |
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Did you just call yourself a PR/marketing representative?
No I didn't.
You seem pretty spun up on this currency. I have read through the white papers a few times and will take a look at the code too. Unfortunately, my developer knowledge isn't at the level of some others around here.
You are trolling this currency for no reason. You left the vanillacoin thread to show your passive agressive attitude in 2 more threads after we had to explain everything to you even though everything is written down both in the whitepaper and in the code.
However, even very advanced concepts like the blockchain and cryptonote were able to be distilled down into easy to understand concepts for beginners. Can you try to explain how zero-time and Vanilla Coin achieve sub-second confirmations in layman's terms?
Or do you understand it at all yourself?
https://github.com/john-connor/papers/blob/708f488c8c17e08a12bc4bdb4fc5ac1e2aaf6e24/zerotime.pdfIt's explained in the section labeled "Background", the first 2 parts. Read up on TCP and UDP if it's hard to understand for you. Sending coins through TCP made 3 second respending possible and UDP will make subsecond transactions possible. The routing of Vanillacoin is different from what Bitcoin has. UDP is lightnight fast, but it has no error checking and has a certain error rate when sending data, John figured out a sollution on this to make it non existent within the network. I can't go more Layman on a technology that will be unique within crypto, John will release a very long whitepaper on it I don't expect to understand it completely neither will you probably. The point should be that people understand it like ex. Polo developers so they can accept ZeroTime transactions without risking anything. Merchants don't need to understand anything since they deal in fiat and will autoconvert everything anyway for another few years. Problem is you are doing your research while trolling and commenting in troll threads like this instead of searching for a developer or someone who can review the code, and doesn't matter what response I give you because your motives are clear by now. |
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Why will Vanillacoin become a top 5 coin?
Because it's the first fully decentralised coin with 0 confirmations needed to respend your coins...and it's fast...super fast (les than 1 second).
Has anyone credible reviewed the white paper or the code? That's what I'm saying. I've heard a LOT of hype, and even some allegations (to which the lead dev simply replies, "prove it with the blockchain") but I haven't heard anyone *independant* tell me they've reviewed the white paper or the code and think it's a brand new and possibly world-altering technology (like with the original blockchain or Cryptonote). Something feels *off* about vanillacoin and until one of the trusted and long time accounts here (with dev experience) can confirm there is something special about it, I'm staying away: no matter how high it's crazy run takes it. Again, I hate to spread any FUD about a coin. I want it to be true, and yes, I'm "jelly" of the crazy gains its made in the past months. Great for those of you who rode that up. But something definitely feels weird about it, but I can't put my finger on it. I'll take some time and take a closer look at the white paper. It would help if one of the devs or experts could ELI5 how the zero time math works. You keep spilling fuel on the fire. You came over to the vanillacoin topic first trolling and after it interrogating people while you are refusing to do 1) your own code audit 2) a simple research based on the given data in the OP. After being schooled and being called out on trolling you wish everyone good luck and get out. 2 days pass and I see you being a passive agressive troll on both this thread and gmaxwell's thread. On this thread you are agreeing with 50 post trolls while ignoring the people who are reputable within the alt scene. You are either heavily bipolar, skitzophrenic or simply salty with a hidden agenda. As I already stated Poloniex made several code reviews, 1 before the addition and 1 before allowing 1 confirmation deposits on vanillacoin, THE ONLY COIN BESIDES BITCOIN. You heard this right, NO DASH, NO XMR, NO STR, NO MAID were deemed secure enough for that. Can you stop trolling and get your research rolling? He is clearly intrigued, maybe his goal is to get the 0 confirm transactions implemented in a coin which has a distribution and launch more to his liking (and in which he has a stake already). Whether the technology is good and works we'll likely know when the actual white paper is released and reviewed, and just in case it is, it doesn't hurt to start early. My problem is he isn't questioning ZeroTime, but everything that was stated in the first whitepaper without actually checking on what's already implemented. Also the fact that after getting his responses and went away with the "I will research" attitude and all he did was troll on other topics instead of actually starting his research. Or is his research based on questioning random people on BCT? Thought you do code audits around here. |
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Your white paper makes big promises but seems quite vague about how you will attain the holy grail of cryptocurrency which you are lauding around...
Proof is in the code, audit it instead of fuding through 3 threads as I've already mentioned in my last comment.
Therefore all coins need to be ready for intense scrutiny.
And not by you who is clearly trolling all over the place without doing 5 minutes of code reviewing.
The problem is that I'm not seeing VanillaCoin hold up to that scrutiny. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Words won't prove you wrong in crypto, technology and code will. You fail to understand this. Literally everything you keep spamming about is nonsense and you fail to graps the meaning and working of cryptocurrencies. While trying to develop for the cryptoscene and trying to get other crypto lovers into your project it's not the job of the PR/Marketing representative to get you to understand the importance of code. That is needed for mass adoption within communities that don't understand technology. You seem to be in the wrong neighborhood. |
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Why will Vanillacoin become a top 5 coin?
Because it's the first fully decentralised coin with 0 confirmations needed to respend your coins...and it's fast...super fast (les than 1 second).
Has anyone credible reviewed the white paper or the code? That's what I'm saying. I've heard a LOT of hype, and even some allegations (to which the lead dev simply replies, "prove it with the blockchain") but I haven't heard anyone *independant* tell me they've reviewed the white paper or the code and think it's a brand new and possibly world-altering technology (like with the original blockchain or Cryptonote). Something feels *off* about vanillacoin and until one of the trusted and long time accounts here (with dev experience) can confirm there is something special about it, I'm staying away: no matter how high it's crazy run takes it. Again, I hate to spread any FUD about a coin. I want it to be true, and yes, I'm "jelly" of the crazy gains its made in the past months. Great for those of you who rode that up. But something definitely feels weird about it, but I can't put my finger on it. I'll take some time and take a closer look at the white paper. It would help if one of the devs or experts could ELI5 how the zero time math works. You keep spilling fuel on the fire. You came over to the vanillacoin topic first trolling and after it interrogating people while you are refusing to do 1) your own code audit 2) a simple research based on the given data in the OP. After being schooled and being called out on trolling you wish everyone good luck and get out. 2 days pass and I see you being a passive agressive troll on both this thread and gmaxwell's thread. On this thread you are agreeing with 50 post trolls while ignoring the people who are reputable within the alt scene. You are either heavily bipolar, skitzophrenic or simply salty with a hidden agenda. As I already stated Poloniex made several code reviews, 1 before the addition and 1 before allowing 1 confirmation deposits on vanillacoin, THE ONLY COIN BESIDES BITCOIN. You heard this right, NO DASH, NO XMR, NO STR, NO MAID were deemed secure enough for that. Can you stop trolling and get your research rolling? |
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It should be noted that he posted that in January. I am looking over both whitepapers now. https://github.com/john-connor/papers/blob/708f488c8c17e08a12bc4bdb4fc5ac1e2aaf6e24/zerotime.pdf http://vanillacoin.net/papers/vanillacoin.pdf The papers talk about how whenever a transaction is sent, that node will check a hiearchy of nodes (including a masternode?) to see if the majority of them have accepted it; if they have, then it will accept it too with no questions. I have some serious mathematical issues with how this will work in real life. In any case, this currency is getting pretty big and if there's something behind this, then great: I will be a massive supporter. But if something's fucky, it's time to find out. ZeroTime should get an additional 25 page whitepaper with the release explaining everything in detail. The first post is gmaxwell being hurt by an argument that John made with them on the Bitcoin github and trying to pick on his project afterwards. gmax would never play the hero in the altcoin discussion part of the forum don't worry, he wouldn't give a shit. Also the project started with being closed source while the alpha stage rolled out, everything is open source now and you can ask anyone ranging from Polo owners to Bittrex owners or any of your dev friends on the quality and uniqueness of the codebase and communication protocol. |
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leave the name alone. vanilla is weird, but in a good way. very memorable.
I'm fine with the name, I was just wondering if it ever was discussed before, that's all... Don't get me wrong, I'm very, very pro vnl, feel free to check my twitter if you don't believe me  Regards Goldmaxx Don't think it was discussed before. |
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Help me please! This is my old wallet ver 0.2.3.0  After upgrade wallet ver 0.3.1.0  This is my balance in vanilla blockchain explorer  my suggestion: 1. backup all Vanillacoin folder, normally at C:\Users\ [username]\AppData\Roaming\Vanillacoin 2. make sure that wallet.dat is backup 3. delete all Vanillacoin folder 4. run VNL 0.3.1 Also you can try: 1. BACKUP 2. console > checkwallet - if it shows misplaced coins > 3. repairwallet traumschiff, can you help me link to download console? He posted a windows wallet. The console can be found when clicking on the icon in the upper right (gear-wheel). |
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@john-connor ZeroTime transactions now take less than one second to fully confirm. This is 8x less than expected. Going to rest. Ciao!
ⓘ john-connor is now known as john-connor-afk
Yes, this will be possible through the use of the integrated UDP layer. The video that was showing arond 3 second respend time used TCP. John is a genious for achieving subsecond respend times with perfect security and in a decentralized fashion  |
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Help me please! This is my old wallet ver 0.2.3.0 After upgrade wallet ver 0.3.1.0 This is my balance in vanilla blockchain explorer my suggestion: 1. backup all Vanillacoin folder, normally at C:\Users\ [username]\AppData\Roaming\Vanillacoin 2. make sure that wallet.dat is backup 3. delete all Vanillacoin folder 4. run VNL 0.3.1 Also you can try: 1. BACKUP 2. console > checkwallet - if it shows misplaced coins > 3. repairwallet |
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John just pushed a few commits to github: |
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Haha, great work  |
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where is source of graphic wallet for linux ?
sorry - there is no gui for linux atm. i dont trust my windows box anymore... after some recent trojans will need to look in the code to learn all the RPC commands You could use the android wallet also if you own a device with it, it's simple and easy to use. It runs the native code, stakes and doesn't drain the battery while doing it. |
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what's so special about this coin? Why should I invest in it?
Read through the OP to get a good idea ZeroTime (fully decentralized instant transactions) will soon get released together with a long whitepaper. FPGA mining will secure the network with low electricity costs. We are already the only coin next to Bitcoin which requires 1 confirmation for deposits on Poloniex after we got our code reviewed. We have a fulltime developer who has written a crypto from scratch (this isn't a clone of Bitcoin or Peercoin), and he has solved many scalability issues already associated with Bitcoin derived currencies. We also stake on mobile wallets while using around 1% battery while running nonstop. Just a few things, there are lot's more, like the coming of DarkPP. CoinPP and MinerPP are already finished project worth looking at. No short POW/DPOS bullshit, no ICO and no premine. Forgive me my tldr attitude Just in a few keywords; decentralized, better than bitcoin (in what ways?), any real economy applications yet? okay that's innovative Well ZeroTime through the integrated UDP layer should do sub-second respendable transactions and John solved every double-spend risk scenario. The video that can be found 2 pages back only shows transactions through TCP which also does 3 second tx-s. This sollution will not need masternodes or any slightly centralized approach will work on a protocol level. This will pretty much solve the biggest problem with cryptocurrencies and the privacy problem will be tackled with DarkPP. |
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what's so special about this coin? Why should I invest in it?
Read through the OP to get a good idea ZeroTime (fully decentralized instant transactions) will soon get released together with a long whitepaper. FPGA mining will secure the network with low electricity costs. We are already the only coin next to Bitcoin which requires 1 confirmation for deposits on Poloniex after we got our code reviewed. We have a fulltime developer who has written a crypto from scratch (this isn't a clone of Bitcoin or Peercoin), and he has solved many scalability issues already associated with Bitcoin derived currencies. We also stake on mobile wallets while using around 1% battery while running nonstop. Just a few things, there are lot's more, like the coming of DarkPP. CoinPP and MinerPP are already finished project worth looking at. No short POW/DPOS bullshit, no ICO and no premine. |
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BTW does anyone realize there are a hundred and ten people in the chinese QQ chat? wtf  That's not bad actually, we were less before etoque started soaking the channel in rain. I'm glad that we have some chinese investors |
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