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921  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kraken Wins Bank Charter Approval on: September 27, 2020, 02:19:33 AM
Sorry, I am slow at this thing of 100% reserves.

This is perfectly clear for FIAT, but this means that Kraken will not be able to lend fiat or Crypto, is that correct?

If I deposit 100 USD, 100% reserve means that the liquidity will sit on bank’s account (actually at the Fed, maybe).
The bank won’t be able to lend my 100 USD in any way. That money will be used only to process payments (crypto exchange included).

But if I deposit 100 BTC on Kraken, there won’t be any fiat reserve backing those. The law requirement only means that the bank will have to keep my funds sitting on their wallet. Without lending (what are they supposed to do?Put those on uniswap?).

So there won’t be, as per my understanding, any “tether like” inquiry asking Kraken Banks to show fiat reserves backing their BTC holdings.

This is an obvious thing, but it get me a while to realise. Maybe I am getting old.



Ostensibly, this is correct. If you deposit 100 USD in a checking account, the 100% reserve requirement means the bank could not loan that money out. If it was in a time-deposit account, like a CD, it is possible that the bank would be able to loan that money out. However, Kraken isn't operating a bank with the purpose of making loans, so the 100% reserve requirements aren't a problem for them.

As for bitcoin deposits, it's unclear under the law if they would be allowed to loan that out since the law refers specifically to fiat. But my guess is it's a moot point because Kraken won't loan it even if they're allowed to because they don't want to be in the loan business. They want to operate a bank as a means to increase bridges between the crypto world and traditional banking.
922  Economy / Economics / Re: Will African countries be developed? on: September 27, 2020, 02:14:05 AM
The development of one country like Africa is depend on the hands of their leader with the help of their community. But if corruption is rampant specially to the leaders of their country and the people are lazy and don't want to make their life better, then i can say that it's difficult for this country to become well develop unlike other countries.
a country will be developed if it is free from greed (corruption) in fact most countries in Africa have bad leaders..  one more thing, the role of foreign investors greatly influences the development of a country, if investors look at a country a lot, the country will advance because it gets incoming money from outside and also creates jobs.  The political conditions and human resources in the average African country are still far from good, this is the reason African countries find it difficult to advance..

It isn't just Africa though. You see bad economies and underdevelopment in a lot of countries that have autocratic and corrupt leadership. Usually, they go hand in hand. The governments are autocratic because the corrupt leaders are looting the countries resources for personal gain, and the autocratic nature of the country prevents political opposition that might make things free and fair and based on meritocracy.
923  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC🏎Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: September 27, 2020, 01:58:09 AM

Is there any way to figure the actual odds for the bets on events ("betting" section), or could you provide more info on how are the final odds calculated?

Are the "estimated odds" just a very rough indication of the expected winnings if the prize pool stays the same, or is the bet somehow locked at certain odds. i.e. if I was to place a bet at say the odds of 3.0, can the actual odds drop significantly (say to 1.10) if later on more people bet on the same outcome as I did?

The "estimated odds" are indeed just a rough indication of the expected winnings of the prize pool at that moment.  It's subject to change based on how much money is bet on each side after you bet.  However, earlier bets are weighted higher than bets that come after you as a way to incentivize earlier betting on a prop, and this plays a factor as well on the payouts.

If a ton of people all pile into the same side of the bet as you, it would dilute the payout for all.  The hope is that as the odds change, the increase in odds on the opposite side would incentivize people into that side of the bet to keep the payout in the ballpark of what you were shown.  However, the dilution is a possibility.  The weighting of the money that comes after you would be less than your bet, so that would have a bit of an offsetting effect, but if a whale came in and bet 10x your bet, you could see materially less on the payout than what was indicated by the calculator when you made your bet.
924  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do people claim cryptocurrencies aren’t an asset? on: September 27, 2020, 01:25:00 AM
Let's look at how "asset" is conventionally defined:

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An asset is a resource with economic value that an individual, corporation, or country owns or controls with the expectation that it will provide a future benefit.

An economic resource is something that is scarce and has the ability to produce economic benefit by generating cash inflows or decreasing cash outflows.

Assets can be broadly categorized into short-term (or current) assets, fixed assets, financial investments, and intangible assets.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/asset.asp

Even if local laws don't recognize cryptocurrency as a financial investment, it should be recognized an intangible asset, since it can be liquidated for cash value despite having no physical presence or official legal recognition.

That doesn't necessarily mean BTC holders have adequate legal rights (equal to regulated security or bond holders, for example) everywhere, but common sense tells me that is the direction things are headed. It just may take a decade or two for common sense regulation to take hold.

You've identified the key component.  An investment and an asset are not necessarily the same thing.  People can take all kinds of issue with what type of "investment" bitcoin is (the degree of risk, whether or not it should be stable, the types of returns that are reasonable vs. hyped), but it's not really debatable whether or not it's an "asset." And there's a distinction between an asset you might be interested in owning vs. a binary yes or no on the question itself. The fact remains that it's is commonly accepted as an instrument that a wide portion of the population understands to hold value, therefore it is an asset.
925  Other / Archival / Re: Microstrategy Stock Jumps 9% Following Bitcoin Investment on: September 27, 2020, 12:34:59 AM
So, what do we have: A large company like MicroStrategy is interested in the crypto market by purchasing bitokin.

But the yields are low and the data aggregator considers MicroStrategy's stock to be overvalued, plus the inflated stock market tells us that everything could collapse soon. Wouldn't MicroStrategy become one of the catalysts of the bearish bitcoin market by starting to sell its accumulated bitcoin capital to minimize losses, thus collapsing the bitcoin market.


Source used: https://bitcoinist.com/microstrategy-stock-jumps-9-following-bitcoin-investment-red-flags-ahead/

This is an incredibly unique position here with MicroStrategy. Frist though, MicroStrategy is not by any stretch a large company.  Market cap of $1.5 billion would place it solidly in the small cap space. As for the unique factors, MicroStrategy has 5 consecutive years of falling revenues, and a leader who has past trouble with the overstating results that lead to an SEC action against Saylor that nearly wiped the company out previously.  So I would say the company falls more in the troubled category than not for these specific reasons.  On top of this, Saylor controls the entire company from top to bottom. He has so much voting power that nobody can get on the board without his approval, so there is no effective oversight from the board of directors.  And all the other stockholders put together don't have enough voting power to challenge any of his decisions. So  total lack of oversight for all practical purposes that leaves Saylor completely immune to any consequences for his corporate actions.

So to summarize, a smallish and shrinking company with no corporate oversight run by someone with a problematic past.  This confluence of unique circumstances is why this is a one off and not a sign of a bunch of major corporations about to jump into investing in bitcoin.
926  Economy / Economics / Re: Cares Act- How will this effect the economy down the road? on: September 27, 2020, 12:16:20 AM
For those of you not familiar with the Cares Act, here is a good guideline of everything that's involved- https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/cares

I work in the finance industry and in particular with retirement plans.  The cares act allows for individuals still employed and under 59.5 years of age to take withdraws from their retirement plans, up to $100,000, as well without the normal 10% penalty.  I am constantly getting calls from clients who are utilizing this feature.  In theory it's a good thing for those whom have encountered hardships due to Covid-19, however many are taking advantage of this and simply taking out money just because they can.  

I foresee serious problems down the road with so many dipping in to their retirement, many of which are depleting their entire accounts.  The question I ask myself and everyone else..what are all the negatives consequences likely to come from this?  I think there will be all sorts of issues in terms of social security, homelessness, reliance on government assistance etc.

Americans already don't save enough for retirement in general. Social security isn't designed for people to survive on alone, it's supposed to supplement your own savings and in the worst case, keep people out of abject poverty when they didn't save enough themselves. People depleting retirement savings before retirement for any reason will increase the number of people who are relying mainly or entirely on social security in the future. And the money taken out won't just be a dollar for dollar amount they're down in the future because they'll be missing out on compounded gains over time. 
927  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: September 26, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
Oh.  Now you want to proclaim yourself as some kind of expert, even though you made stupid ass and seemingly out of touch kinds of statements.   Roll Eyes  Difficult to consider you as any kind of expert based on what you have already said, and also your apparent failure/refusal to account for clear analysis and discussion that I pointed out to you.

Lol, the dumbest and most out of touch thing in this thread is the assertion that companies that don't invest in bitcoin are going to face lawsuits from shareholders of those companies.  So yeah, compared to how ridiculous you have to be to believe that, I'm an expert compared to you.  For everyone else, I'm just someone with a couple decades of experience in the industry and the slightest bit of common sense.


I was counter responding to your assertion of plausibility of lawsuits against Microstrategy, that you seem to have proclaimed without knowing specifics about how microstrategy had gone about their BTC purchase(s).

It doesn't matter how microstrategy bought all that bitcoin, all that matters is they bought all that bitcoin. The risk of owning bitcoin is not mitigated by how it was purchased.  If bitcoin drops 20%, as it is prone to do, and Saylor decides to exit the position, you'll see shareholder lawsuits. And what will not be a valid defense to breach of fiduciary duty is how the bitcoin was purchased.


Refusing to recognize the company has taken a boatload of risk here and that it's not all automatic upside just because they bought BTC... man, that's extreme.  I'm far too sensible to be that extreme.  

Who said that I am taking that position, you?

Are you admitting it then?  Because then you need to reconcile the fact that you do think this is a boatload of risk with the tone of the rest of your post, which treats a bitcoin investment as automatic upside so much so that you think that companies that don't invest in bitcoin could be sued for not doing so.  Pick a lane dude.  You either think this is such a slam dunk no-risk investment that companies that don't invest in bitcoin could face shareholder lawsuits for not doing so, or you think there's a ton of risk here that you haven't previously admitted.

I wasn't even responding to your post though, so no, I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast you posted yet.  I do, however, appreciate the point you made about giving forewarning to investors and offering to buy any out before proceeding.

Fair enough.  So, perhaps we can either postpone further reaction to the matter for now.   Of course, there is no reason for you to necessarily agree with the analysis of the guests on the podcast.

I've looked into this whole situation more and I'm even more convinced this is going to end poorly for microstrategy.  The guy running microstrategy is flailing as a leader.  The business's revenue has been falling for 5 straight years.  He was previously accused by the SEC of overstating company performance, a charge he settled without admitting or denying the charges, which decimated the company's stock.  As someone who works in this industry, nobody agrees to the settlements when they're innocent and the SEC only allows them to neither admit or deny the charges because the SEC isn't interested in prolonged court battles except in the most egregious of cases.  It's much quicker to let them pay a fine for their bad behavior and believe their promises that they learned their lesson.

On top of all this, all the lofty bullshit you're heaping on him about "investing for the next 100 years" or being a visionary is all hype and it's your baggage your lambo hopes and dreams you're putting on the situation.  Saylor himself says he's not a crypto diehard and he's not married to this investment.  If it turns bad, he's stated he's prepared to liquidate it "any day of the week, any hour of the day."

This is an incredibly stupid hill to die on.  But you're welcome to continue embarrassing yourself with your hyped up statements about how committed Miscrostrategy is to Bitcoin (they're not, by Saylor's own words) and how any companies not investing in Bitcoin are going to face shareholder lawsuits (they won't, for the same reason you can't sue a company with excess cash 20 years ago for not investing in Amazon).
928  Economy / Economics / Re: Boris is right a second lockdown could cripple UK economy. on: September 23, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
UK was under lockdown for many weeks. Around 40,000 people lost their lives during this lockdown period. So what makes the critics think that another lockdown may reduce the mortality rates? The initial lockdown was successful in slowing down the community spread. But now community spread has been reported from almost all the British counties. Any new lockdown measure will have very limited positive outcomes. On the other hand, such measures can cripple the economy, to a point of no return.

All lockdown measures slow the spread of the virus.  That's not debatable, it's proven.  The virus cannot spread when infected people are not near uninfected people.  Anyone who has the virus got it by being close to someone who had the virus.  Citing 40,000 people dying despite lockdown ignores how many people would have died if not for the lockdown.  There isn't a data set in the world that shows that quarantine measures had no effect on the spread of the virus.

If you want to debate if the lockdown is worth it, that's a separate discussion, but there's no debating that lockdowns reduce the number of deaths from the virus.
929  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kraken Wins Bank Charter Approval on: September 23, 2020, 03:10:39 PM

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Kraken Financial, as a bank, is required by Wyoming law to maintain 100% reserves of its deposits of fiat currency at all times. If every client were to demand withdrawals of their fiat at the same moment, Kraken Financial would be able to fulfill each withdrawal immediately without regard to how many loans we had outstanding.

Now this begs the question: how the heck is Kraken supposed to make any money with a 100% reserve requirement? That means they can't loan any dollars out in a traditional fractional reserve savings-and-loan model.

In order to legally loan money, they would need to have surplus (>100%) reserves.

Full reserve banking requires banks to keep 100% reserves for in-demand accounts, such as a checking or savings account.  These are generally accounts that could be withdrawn at any time ("on demand") and the bank would have to comply.  The 100% reserve generally does not apply to time deposits, such as CDs and other types of accounts where there are withdrawal restrictions, so this is one avenue where a bank could make loans under a full reserve banking system. 

Also, Wyoming law seems to specify 100% reserve for fiat currency.  Perhaps crypto is a loophole.

However, lines of credit do not appear to be what Kraken is interested in at all.  The real reason Kraken wants to do this is to serve as a bridge between the traditional banking system and cryptocurrency.

The unique charter made for Kraken’s SPDI model is more similar to a custody bank than a community one, meaning that its primary focus will lie in asset custody and things like regulated securities and commodities, rather than safeguarding customer deposits and giving out lines of credit. Still, it hopes to operate in an accessible manner for a wide array of customers, and mentioned that it maintains a 100 percent reserve of all deposits in fiat currency.
930  Economy / Economics / Re: COVID-19's "New Normal" is Creating Opportunities in Crypto on: September 23, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
Yes, during the lockdown I was thinking,all hope is lost as a graduate, until I began to make online research to discover how cryptocurrency can create employment for unemployed.
There are many opportunities in cryptocurrency which you don't need to pay tax to government befor you can join the platform.
Many people are making money in this lockdown through the knowledge they acquired from blockchain industry.

And how is it exactly that cryptocurrency creates employment for the unemployed? Because I haven't seen anything of the sort, and can't imagine how cryptocurrency actually anything because cryptocurrency doesn't employ anybody the same way a hammer doesn't employ anybody. It's just a tool, but you still need people who create businesses that need the tool in order to create jobs. Cryptocurrency itself is an unproductive asset, it doesn't actually do anything.
931  Economy / Economics / Re: Boris is right a second lockdown could cripple UK economy. on: September 23, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
The symptoms of this sickness can vary from no symptoms to the "God take my life end my torment" levels. Normally I would give it a go to the herd immu thing but knowing that the heavy virus loads can make you go through hell makes me skeptical about it.

To gain immunity to covid19, your body should fight and win against it first.

I don't know if that's the risk I would want to take. It kinda sounds stupid to me right now because it is not clear what I am going to lose during the fight against the virus. If I knew I was going to win 100% without losing half my lungs, I would go for it. Right now I would rather wear a mask and keep my social distance and as long as there are people like me, herd immunity won't work.

I know people personally that fought and won against covid19 and they became diabetes or started to use statins after the battle which in my opinion translates to -10 years from your life span.

It's also a false premise to present this as a binary outcome where people either get the virus and die (1% mortality) or recover, and so the risk is only in that 1% mortality rate.  That's absolutely not the end of the risk.  We already have evidence the virus affects other parts of the body, and sometimes severely, and doctors and researchers continually say that it likely affects the body and organs in ways we still don't know and won't be evident for years.  The complications for those that "recover" can last a lifetime, and so to ignore all the non-death consequences of contracting the virus is one way anti-maskers and those who downplay the virus are being either disingenuous or downright stupid.
932  Economy / Economics / Re: Will African countries be developed? on: September 23, 2020, 02:40:44 PM
It's impossible to understate the role of imperialism in delaying the emergence of Africa in its own right as an economic power.  For hundreds of years, western powers looted the natural resources of the continent to build the wealth of their own nations and enslaved the populace both on the continent and while shipping millions of Africa's inhabitants off of it.  With that kind of systemic oppression and looting of resources, it's not hard to envision how much of a setback the western powers dealt Africa.

Western nations continue to loot African countries. Look at the oil-rich nations such as Nigeria, Angola and Gabon. Most of the oil wells are being operated by Western corporations such as Shell and Exxon. And look at the gold, diamond and coltan mines. Once again, most of them are under the ownership of western corporations. China is a recent entrant and they have managed to disrupt the equilibrium.

Sure, the "capitalism" that is developing and exporting the natural resources now, which is owned by western corporations, is the direct beneficiary of past imperialism.  It's just more palatable now because the resources aren't being taken by force and the work isn't being done through forced labor, but through voluntary jobs where the corporations hire local workers.  But the ownership of those resources come from a legacy of imperialism of the 1800s and 1900s, which is why they were in a position to own those resources today.
933  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: September 20, 2020, 09:21:31 PM
That huge gamble could shape the future of the company over the next 100 years, holding all that money in fiat is also a huge gamble, but one which is quickly depreciating. Distributing the wealth back to shareholders through buybacks or dividends is an okay approach, but it doesn't put the company in any better position than they were, neither does it set them up for the next 10 or so years.

I agree on Bitcoin being speculative and highly volatile, but it's an ever evolving system with great potential for growth, microstrategy is staying ahead of the curve by taking a good position now. In the near future we may see other cooperate fast-followers adopting their aggressive approach.

Or it could be the death knell for the company if bitcoin tanks and the "stability" they were looking for cuts their cash reserves in half.  And nobody holds cash for 100 years, so that's not even an appropriate comparison.  Nobody who is invested in the company is going to be alive for 100 years, so playing for 100 years from now doesn't benefit shareholders today.  

Again, if the company has more money than it knows what to do with, I'd want that cash back in dividends or stock buy backs.  I don't want the company gambling with my share of the profits in something that could pay off but could also blow up.  I can gamble myself if I'm inclined, that's not what I invest for.  I'm 100% out as an investor in any company that is this reckless.

My prediction is if bitcoin tanks again (which is almost a given that it will at some point) and the company is forced to mark down their holdings and reports a massive net loss, you'll see shareholder lawsuits for breach of fiduciary duty.

You seem to have your head in the sand, jaysabi.  Are you doing this on purpose, or what?

There are likely to be lawsuits in the coming years for companies that fail and refuse to take any position in BTC, instead of the way that Microstrategy approached the matter.  Have you listen to the podcast that I referenced in my above post, in order to attempt to inform yourself about specifics of this particular, rather than continuing to blindly post nonsense?

Calm down dude, I work with in the investment industry. There will not be any lawsuits for companies that refuse to take a stake in BTC, even thinking that shows how far outside the mainstream you are.  I'm into BTC, but I don't drink the Koolaid so hard that everything Bitcoin is automatically good and every reckless swing for the moon needs should be cheered without regard for real world consequences.  Refusing to recognize the company has taken a boatload of risk here and that it's not all automatic upside just because they bought BTC... man, that's extreme.  I'm far too sensible to be that extreme.  

I wasn't even responding to your post though, so no, I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast you posted yet.  I do, however, appreciate the point you made about giving forewarning to investors and offering to buy any out before proceeding.
934  Economy / Economics / Re: Boris is right a second lockdown could cripple UK economy. on: September 20, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
Sweden was the first country to propose the "herd immunity" theory. This was ridiculed by most of the experts in the beginning. But now from the data it looks as if they were right about it.
It's stupid to ridicule herd immunity, since it's a well-known principle in epidemiology that keeps people safe.

Herd immunity depends on the vast majority of the population being vaccinated, what Sweden did was not a herd immunity plan and what Sweden has now is not herd immunity.  Exposing a population to a virus and just telling people "those of us who survive will be better off" is an absolutely idiotic plan. Ridiculing what Sweden did and ridiculing herd immunity are not the same thing.
935  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: September 20, 2020, 08:35:32 PM
That huge gamble could shape the future of the company over the next 100 years, holding all that money in fiat is also a huge gamble, but one which is quickly depreciating. Distributing the wealth back to shareholders through buybacks or dividends is an okay approach, but it doesn't put the company in any better position than they were, neither does it set them up for the next 10 or so years.

I agree on Bitcoin being speculative and highly volatile, but it's an ever evolving system with great potential for growth, microstrategy is staying ahead of the curve by taking a good position now. In the near future we may see other cooperate fast-followers adopting their aggressive approach.

Or it could be the death knell for the company if bitcoin tanks and the "stability" they were looking for cuts their cash reserves in half.  And nobody holds cash for 100 years, so that's not even an appropriate comparison.  Nobody who is invested in the company is going to be alive for 100 years, so playing for 100 years from now doesn't benefit shareholders today. 

Again, if the company has more money than it knows what to do with, I'd want that cash back in dividends or stock buy backs.  I don't want the company gambling with my share of the profits in something that could pay off but could also blow up.  I can gamble myself if I'm inclined, that's not what I invest for.  I'm 100% out as an investor in any company that is this reckless.

My prediction is if bitcoin tanks again (which is almost a given that it will at some point) and the company is forced to mark down their holdings and reports a massive net loss, you'll see shareholder lawsuits for breach of fiduciary duty.
936  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kraken Wins Bank Charter Approval on: September 20, 2020, 05:55:15 AM
Let's say there is 100 dollars in the world, and person A has it all, Person A pays the Kraken bank 100 dollars in return of 5% savings, meaning he will get 105 back , but there is no extra 5 dollars to be made there? The only money in the world is 100 dollars, how could Kraken pay that person 105 back? Where will they find that extra 5? Same time Kraken will loan to someone and ask them to give 110 back, which that person agrees but there is no extra 10 dollars, how could he make it?


That’s not how money works and it’s why deflationary currency doesn’t work in the long run. Money is a representation of goods and services available for purchase in the economy. Money needs to scale to incorporate the change in economic activity in the economy. When you borrow capital to start a new business and make something that didn’t previously exist in the world, you’ve expanded the aggregate wealth of the economy. The money supply should expand to incorporate the new values you’ve added. That’s where the “new” money to pay back the loan comes from. With a deflationary currency, when the goods/services expand but the money supply doesn’t, that makes the unit of currency worth more since total aggregate wealth increased but the money supply stayed the same. That is, purchasing power of the currency has gone up. But this acts as friction against economic growth, because why spend now if the money will be worth more later. This causes a drop in economic activity and aggregate wealth to go down in the economy. It’s why a small amount of inflation is preferable to deflation, because it maximizes employment in the economy which is the best provider of societal stability.
937  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: September 20, 2020, 05:19:33 AM
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The capital allocation quickly fulfills Saylor's late July promise to shareholders that his company, which he founded in 1989, would buy back $250 million in stock and invest an additional $250 million in gold and bitcoin over the next 12 months. The belief was that these and other "alternative investments" would protect MicroStrategy's dollar-heavy balance sheet.

This right here would be such a problem for me if I was a shareholder. If the company has more money than it knows what to do with, as a shareholder I want that money paid out in dividends or or stock buybacks. Things that immediately put value back in my hands. Not taking a huge gamble with a significant portion of assets by investing in a speculative and highly volatile asset. This is the opposite of what responsible stock stewardship looks like.
938  Economy / Economics / Re: Will African countries be developed? on: September 20, 2020, 04:47:31 AM
Despite all natural resources embedded in Africa, they are always lacking and behind other continents. Most if not all the countries in Africa are regarded as third world country (poor nations). Why are Africa countries remaining underdeveloped or developing when they have what they can use to grow and develop.

It's impossible to understate the role of imperialism in delaying the emergence of Africa in its own right as an economic power.  For hundreds of years, western powers looted the natural resources of the continent to build the wealth of their own nations and enslaved the populace both on the continent and while shipping millions of Africa's inhabitants off of it.  With that kind of systemic oppression and looting of resources, it's not hard to envision how much of a setback the western powers dealt Africa.
939  Economy / Economics / Re: Boris is right a second lockdown could cripple UK economy. on: September 20, 2020, 04:43:05 AM
I bet after the second lockdown (if implemented), there will be the third, fourth, and so on. Lockdown doesn't work except the military strictly disallows people to get out or get shot on sight. And after all the hassle and obvious massive economic problems, it takes only one zombie to infect the people.

I think Boris's decision wasn't mainly motivated by the economy, but just common sense and for liberty reason.

Cuz apparently you can't have "freedom" if you're not free to go out and infect people with communicable diseases! /s  We have the same problem in the United States.  People crying about how their freedoms are being infringed with mask mandates.  Meanwhile, those same people don't believe in the freedom of other people not to be infected by ignoramuses who deny that masks greatly reduce the spread of the virus.  The idea of total freedom is a fiction.  Your actions have consequences on others.  As it happens, the people who are crying about freedom are really crying about their lack of freedom to do what they want without consequences for their actions.  I don't have sympathy for them.  They're the reason things are as bad as they are.
940  Economy / Economics / Re: Rampant inflation, yet a steady exchange rate. on: September 20, 2020, 03:59:38 AM
What's currently happening actually pisses me off more. People bitch and moan about poor people getting handouts, but it's middle class homeowners who really get all the handouts. They already get tax subsidies out the wazoo, now they're getting 6-12 months complete deferment on mortgages (probably more coming down the road too) while poor people at best are racking up debt if they can't pay the rent. Not to mention the insane overpayments for unemployment benefits.

The primary reason the Fed is propping up the stock and housing markets is to bail out the middle class, whose entire net worth is generally held in their house and the stock market via retirement accounts. It's not just for the rich. It's to entrench and secure the wealth of everyone but the working class and poor, who don't own anything. The system is set up to subsidize capital and property owners, same as it ever was. Let's not pretend this is about the 99% vs. the 1%, or bankers vs. everyone else.

That's ridiculous. You think the middle class is reaping all the benefits of bailouts?  The middle class owns comparatively very little of the assets that are being propped up by the Fed.  When the Fed props up the stock market, guess who gets the gains?  The rich.  The top 10% own 84% of the US stock market:
 https://money.com/stock-ownership-10-percent-richest/  To the extent the middle class gets anything at all, it's tangential to the looting going on by the wealthy.  The idea that the Fed is intending to bail out the middle class is pure fiction.  It's about the rich.  Always has been, and certainly still is.
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