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941  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Jakarta Darurat Polusi on: August 21, 2023, 06:25:16 AM
Ada beberapa rencana yang akan dilakukan pemerintah terhadap situasi ini seperti dengan melakukan upaya untuk mendorong penggunaan kendaraan listrik serta mendorong masyarakat agar terbiasa menggunakan moda transportasi massal agar polusi udara (gas sedikit dikurangi) tetapi menurut beberapa pihak lain ini dinilai sedikit kurang baik karena dianggap tebang pilih dalam melakukan respon dengan dalih bahwa strategi pemerintah yang berfokus pada emisi di sektor transportasi saja itu tidak akan bisa mengatasi polusi udara secara keseluruhan di kota jakarta.
Kami tidak menyanggah bahwa sektor transportasi masih jadi penyumbang terbesar. Tetapi pernyataan pemerintah, terutama pemprov, seperti menegasikan kontribusi polutan dari sumber lain. Bahkan menyalahkan musim kemarau, dan sebagainya

Mari berdiskusi, apakah memang langkah pemerintah ini sudah cocok atau tidak untuk mengurangi polusi udara dijakarta atau perlu ada hal lebih yang harus dilakukan karena melihat kondisi sekarang sebenarnya jakarta benar-benar sesak dan polusi semakin lama semakin parah.
Mungkin benar bahwasannya kendaraan listrik dapat menjadi salah satu alternatif untuk mengatasi pencemaran polusi diberbagai daerah khususnya DKI Jakarta. Karena kendaraan litrik tidak menghasilkan asap yang dapat menyebabkan pencemaran udara.

Tapi apakah hal ini sudah selaras dengan pembangunan pebangkit listrik yang ramah lingkungan. Karena pada saat ini untuk kebutuhan litrik negara Indonesia masih di dominasi oleh PLTU sebagai suplay pembangkit litrik terbesar dibandingkan dengan PLTA yang lebih ramah lingkungan dan tidak menimbulkan efek rumah kaca.

Jadi terkait pencemaran polusi udara di DKI jakarta bukan hanya dikarenakan oleh banyaknya jumlah kendaraan yang ada. Akan tetapi karena pembangkit listrik di DKI Jakarta masih menggunakan PLTU sebagai pembangkitnya.
Jika masyarakat indonesia sudah beralih untuk menggunkan kendaraan bertenaga litrik maka hal ini sama sekali tidak akan mengurangi pencemaraan udara. Dengan banyaknya kendaraan listrik maka kebutuhan akan listrik pun akan semakin meningkat dan hal ini akan mendorong untuk terus melakukan membangunan PLTU  yang menyebabkan udara akan semakin tercemar cuman terpusatkan pencemarannya.

Dan saya setuju dengan kendaraan litrik jika pembuatannya sudah selaras dengan pembangunan pembangkit listrik yang ramah lingkungan.


Asap kendaraan memang bukan-satu-satunya, namun itu adalah faktor yang mendominasi terjadinya polusi yang terjadi di DKI, logika anda bisa saya cermati dengan benar, permasalahan PLTU menjadi salah satu yang menjadikan hal ini begitu rumit, begitupun dengan kendaraan listrik yang di gadang akan menjadi solusi, tetapi kita membutuhkan banyak listrikk untuk menunjang kebutuhan tersebut, yang artinya Pembangkit listrik harus di tingkatkan.
Pembangkit Tenaga surya mungkin bisa menjadi solusi sementara, namun hal ini akan mendapatkan permasalahan berbeda pada suhu udara yang akan semakin panas jika pembangkit tenaga surya di terapkan di daerah DKI.
Mungkin lebih baik adalah pembangkit tenaga nuklir bisa menjadi solusi, namun saya kira indonesia masih belum bisa melakukannya.

Dan jujur saja jika kita semua beralih ke kendaraan listrik maka masalah baru akan timbul, limbah baterai juga lebih berbahaya, bagaimanapun kendaraan listrik membutuhkan baterai untuk menyimpan daya, dan baterai tidak bisa bertahan lama sehingga harus di ganti dengan yang baru, kandungan dalam baterai itu beracun yang bisa membuat tanah dan air menjadi terkontaminasi yang bisa mengancam kesehatan warga.
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944  Economy / Speculation / Re: If bitcoin will accepted worldwide for legal then price rising $100k?? on: August 19, 2023, 06:29:58 PM
If bitcoin will get accepted worldwide then we'll see a blast in crypto industry! Cause then crypto industry will bring revolution with bitcoin.  $100k is Very small amount for that situation cause we are expecting bitcoin to cross $100k restriction in next bull run and set another milestone without help of worldwide acceptance, so we cant imagine how incredibly bitcoin price will increase if it get invested by billions of investors. But due to controlling issue, banking policies, economical race,, it will need a long time period for governments to agree legalize bitcoin in whole world
More precisely, if it is accepted throughout the world and legalized, of course the price of $ 1 million is not impossible for bitcoin, or at least becoming a commodity trading asset that is legal throughout the world will definitely provide a very significant price boost for the crypto industry, especially for bitcoin, but indeed it takes quite a long time, many stages must be passed to get to that peak, various circumstances will definitely occur in the economic world, and maybe we still need several new generations as bitcoin beneficiaries to be adopted, it's still a long journey very long, I think my age is not certain to arrive at bitcoin at that peak.

I think the opposite, I don't think bitcoin took too long to be legally accepted globally. But what I'm saying is that the government will soon accept it as an asset, a commodity, we can't expect them to accept bitcoin as a global legal currency because many governments won't accept it.

Try to look back, 10 years ago most of them banned bitcoin, but in recent years, many countries have gradually accepted it with accompanying regulations. So I am very optimistic that in the next 5 years or 10 years, the legalization of bitcoin globally is inevitable. Of course, this will trigger a crazy bull run and a million dollars could actually happen in the next 10 years.

5 - 10 years is quite a long time, if you think that 10 years is not a short time, I feel there is something wrong with you.
And the benchmark for our conversation is the whole world, of course this is very difficult and there will be a lot of drama, even today there is still a lot of controversy about bitcoin even if it is only used as a commodity asset, it is quite a difficult thing to get bitcoin, even when you tell stories when accompanying children you fall asleep.

If the benchmark is just a few countries starting to make bitcoin a commodity asset it is certainly a big possibility, and we are witnessing that together over time with the replacement of younger government officials, they are much more understanding and not opposed to bitcoin.
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946  Economy / Speculation / Re: If bitcoin will accepted worldwide for legal then price rising $100k?? on: August 18, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
If bitcoin will get accepted worldwide then we'll see a blast in crypto industry! Cause then crypto industry will bring revolution with bitcoin.  $100k is Very small amount for that situation cause we are expecting bitcoin to cross $100k restriction in next bull run and set another milestone without help of worldwide acceptance, so we cant imagine how incredibly bitcoin price will increase if it get invested by billions of investors. But due to controlling issue, banking policies, economical race,, it will need a long time period for governments to agree legalize bitcoin in whole world
More precisely, if it is accepted throughout the world and legalized, of course the price of $ 1 million is not impossible for bitcoin, or at least becoming a commodity trading asset that is legal throughout the world will definitely provide a very significant price boost for the crypto industry, especially for bitcoin, but indeed it takes quite a long time, many stages must be passed to get to that peak, various circumstances will definitely occur in the economic world, and maybe we still need several new generations as bitcoin beneficiaries to be adopted, it's still a long journey very long, I think my age is not certain to arrive at bitcoin at that peak.
947  Economy / Economics / Re: The Impact of Russian African Alliance on World Economy on: August 18, 2023, 06:52:13 AM
I think Russia are strengthening alternative markets in Africa to reduce the impact of the boycotts that are placed on them by the "West". They also have surplus grain that can be used to garner support for their trading relationships. (Grain is one of the staple foods in Africa and Russia can exploit that by giving out FREE grain donations to garner their support)

There has always been a strong political tie between Russia and the African nations, because a lot of the African countries have communist roots. (They were colonized by the West and they were helped by Russia to gain back the control over their countries)  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
There is always a shrimp behind a rock in anything including what Russia is doing this time, it is true what you say that he aims to make Africa an alternative market for them and avoid boycotts of western countries which make it difficult to trade and make profits, the alternative is create their own markets, this partnership will certainly help African countries and Russia to avoid everything that is being done by western countries that torture them.
Political ties cannot be released, this is the main way to make them connected to each other.
But what effect will it have on the world economy?, I think it is quite difficult to predict if it will be negative for the global economy, because this is only trade and political relations, unless Russia forces Africa to limit activities with countries affiliated with western countries, such as limiting the use of the dollar and whatever is done by western countries on African soil, the economic polarization will change. IMO
948  Other / Meta / Re: Forum being abuse? on: August 18, 2023, 04:09:05 AM
As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board.
No more newbie jail, theymos said years ago.
Nope, and newbies shouldn't be blocked from making scam accusations IMO, because sometimes that's the only reason a person registers here, to drop some evidence that they got scammed and to warn everyone. 

As far as mumu68 goes, I haven't read both threads in full yet but if his claims weren't valid there's no way in hell a casino would be pressured into paying him anything.  If they did that simply because a random member of bitcointalk opened a scam accusation thread, every scammer out there would be targeting that casino with the same method.  In addition, if the accusation is unfounded the casino's official account usually posts some kind of defense, and I've seen that a few times.

But I don't know, man.  These days it's hard to tell who's scamming who.  There's so much of it going on, and when you throw gamblers and casinos into the mix....it's goddamn difficult.  I wouldn't pounce on mumu68 just yet; if his evidence of getting scammed is legit it'll stand up to scrutiny.  If not, there's not much anyone can do about it anyway since scams aren't moderated.  He could get tagged by DT members, but since he's not exactly an active member I doubt that would cause him much of a problem.
I agree with you, that beginners should not be blocked or limited in making accusations, even though he doesn't have any ranking in this forum so his accusations should be ignored and it doesn't mean he is an obscure person to mess up the forum, but maybe he is using the forum to warns us and takes away the rights that rightfully belong to him.

As long as he shows concrete evidence of course that is something good, of course for those of us who like to gamble at casinos that run ads on forums.
 
We only need to pay attention to what really happened to mumu68, and what kind of delivery he is trying to convey in his writing, in the end there will be two sides that intersect between the official casino account and the victim, we will see who the real fraudster is after so many rebuttals and the explanations they made in discussing their accusations.
949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: August 18, 2023, 03:08:25 AM
You seem to be misusing language here.  A correction does not necessarily mean that the BTC price is transitioned into a "bearish" posture.

I otherwise agree with your point that this seems to be a kind of signature "buy the dip" moment.. .. even if you had alreadfy been buying all the way down from $28k-ish from yesterday... but yeah some folks do have a tendency to wait for BIGGER dips, and I am not going to proclaim to know when it will stop.. and perhaps that's why I have my systems already set up in which I had already been buying since right around $30k... in $500 increments.. and if we were to end up getting down to $22k-ish (that I don't want to happen).. then I might have to reconsider whether my already outstanding buy orders between $13k and $20k (that I also don't want to execute) are still adequately placed.

I think BTC is going to be fine Sir, Yes, the day's BTC dips down to a price of $25,166 and this still normal. My mind says, today's crypto market may be gearing up for a new growth phase and today's events may be similar to Current BTC Price Cycle Similar 2015 – 2017.

We are indeed preparing for the growth phase and indeed it is a recommendation for a phased buying moment or DCA at prices like this, everyone has a will at what price they need, even if they regret not waiting longer because of a bigger drop of a few hours or a few days afterwards.
There has always been a similarity in price movements in bitcoin in its cycle, including what you said in 2015-2017, but if you want to look more closely at prices that are more similar to what is on the bitcoin chart in 2019, you can see clearly that the bitcoin chart formation is more similar, because at that time bitcoin was during a prolonged sideway and had no direction bitcoin was declining again, if the 2019 movement occurs again, most likely we will experience a continue decline, the $22k level is the target.

But we have to realize that each cycle has its own story, even though the movements can be said to be similar.
For now I think it's better to split your monthly DCA funds in anticipation of regretting the continued decline in order to get the Dip price in this month.
950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should we rely on prediction? on: August 17, 2023, 04:01:09 PM
Of course, predictions are an indicator for determining investment decisions to either sell or buy, because confidence can be obtained by calculating predictions with various methods and techniques in conducting analysis that have certain conclusions on the results.
The average prediction is everyone's mainstay to prepare and make decisions, even though we don't know what will happen because talking about predictions is talking about opportunities that might come either a decrease or an increase in bitcoin.

Just as we witnessed several cases of bitcoin in each cycle, it always experiences a price increase and forms a new ATH which is data on the fact that new ATH opportunities will also exist in the current cycle and so on.
951  Economy / Economics / Re: What are some financial secrets that you know of? on: August 17, 2023, 01:33:15 PM
It sounds simple, but I want to ask if any of us have become rich? I don't think anyone here is rich because if we were rich we wouldn't be here. In my opinion, we should not teach someone how to get rich because we ourselves are not richer than anyone. And in my opinion, there is no recipe or secret to getting rich. If we want to be rich, we just need to do one thing, that is to work hard and think of our own path because each person will have a life, a separate path to go, no one is the same.

OP's question is pointless and any answer that teaches others to get rich is also pointless because we are not rich yet so we cannot teach others. Second: It's unlikely that a formula that works for us will work for someone else. So find your own path to success.

Perhaps you are right, I noticed a long time ago that people who managed to get rich either come here very rarely, or do not come at all. But we cannot say that this applies to all users, I do not exclude that there are people who like to be on the forum, just as someone likes to visit social networks. In any case, someone's advice is not a call to action, there are a lot of possible tips on the forum, but only you can decide for yourself what to do, because you know best the situation in which you are.

No, it's not a useless thing to do anything that can be said here will never be in vain, although you are right that it is impossible for rich people to be here to spend their time discussing in forums it is quite illogical, but maybe some graduates from forums these became rich people after they shared their knowledge, maybe today we can only talk based on the assumptions and theories we found on the trip, but who knows when we get a better position from the investment or that, what we have talked about here before became provision of building wealth systematically according to what we are talking about here, we will never know that.

Aren't some of the people here who have earned their lives in a decent position and don't come back and prefer business. I think many of the members who have stopped their activities in the forum have become rich people out there, and one of their knowledge comes from their experience in the forum.
952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are the cryptocurrencies worth investing by 2023? on: August 17, 2023, 11:52:10 AM
That's terrible advice guys, let's see what they have and what they work on, if it's only useful for betting it's not worth it and what is the main reason they can get such a large number of investors if it's only one ecosystem that they offer for this, car development electricity is irrelevant to what is meant by the benefits of a project, if they succeed in this project will we also benefit from their success in developing electric cars?, if the analogy is like stocks and we get dividends from holding this coin, then this Interestingly enough, if there were no such thing, then the people who bought this would just be lenders with nothing in return, and investors would lose their money.
The vision is pretty cool, but unrealistic.
This forum is usually filled with a lot of newbie accounts (and some big name accounts as well shockingly) shilling for some coins or tokens that they invest into. They want to promote it as much as they can in order to make the price go higher, when in fact you should know that won't work. Obviously we are talking about a lot of people who already invested into things they claim they did but in reality they usually didn't.

This topic will become pages and pages long where people will shill the most useless and terrible coins out there. I have always said it, and will continue to say it, if you want to invest, just get bitcoin, and if you want more than just one coin then get ETH and BNB as well, but that's it.
It's also possible that these newbies are messengers of the project to introduce it to the bitcointalk forum to get investors, that's more likely in my opinion, and then they will commit fraud, but they are wrong, it seems that the people here are smarter than the people out there who can be tricked easily.
Of course bitcoin is better than others if you want to make long-term investments for profit, I agree about Ethereum as the recommended altcoin, but for BNB I think it should be reconsidered because they previously had a lawsuit from the SEC, so it might affect its volatility which is will attack the mentality of investors.
953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Staking Coins With Annual Returns - Good Idea on: August 16, 2023, 07:44:47 PM
Some staking coin with annual good return.Some staking coin didn't any return.Sometimes huge losse this time.I didn't suggestion staking coin.90% risky annual staking this is my thinking.So first time follow annual staking & analysis than your won research & investment.Most time losse annual staking.so I didn't suggest this staking.
But it depends on the project itself I think sir and how strong it holds against the market waves, instead of us investing in spot and keeping the coins we have, then we have aspirations to get a decent profit from the coin from holding on to the long term more good in my opinion staking coins to make the coins you have multiply and increase profits if a bullrun arrives, just like in ETH even though we get payments with a percentage below 10%, but that's better, the focus here is not how much the staking payment is do but how logically the project provides payments to investors who do staking, this needs to be looked at and taken into account.
The payout that the op mentioned at 22% is too high and illogical, this should be questioned again with the project being done, this is quite crazy, this project could turn out to be a scam in the end.
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955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are the cryptocurrencies worth investing by 2023? on: August 16, 2023, 02:51:32 PM
That's terrible advice guys, let's see what they have and what they work on, if it's only useful for betting it's not worth it and what is the main reason they can get such a large number of investors if it's only one ecosystem that they offer for this, car development electricity is irrelevant to what is meant by the benefits of a project, if they succeed in this project will we also benefit from their success in developing electric cars?, if the analogy is like stocks and we get dividends from holding this coin, then this Interestingly enough, if there were no such thing, then the people who bought this would just be lenders with nothing in return, and investors would lose their money.
The vision is pretty cool, but unrealistic.
956  Economy / Economics / Re: How to developed your capital on: August 16, 2023, 12:35:33 PM

I hope this is helpful?

It would be useful to see such guidelines based on your personal experience. Did you find it on the Internet? Have you tried to live according to such rules? Have you had any success? You must understand that what you try to teach here works individually for each person. The theory will be theory, but when we come to adult life, everything becomes much different. To admire rich people, he will give nothing but the origin of envy and the statement of their own complexes. All other points also have a dry assessment without personal experience or sincere advice.
You ask if this is useful. No. We can read on the Internet; there is much more information. What can you say about yourself personally? It will definitely be useful.

yes, we often hear formulas like this, and there are a lot of them, besides what he is trying to explain is not complex with what methods and pathways, he only explains in principle what is common knowledge today.
I think it also doesn't help in terms of starting a business, because basically to develop capital we need what field we will be involved in and we will try, to be honest, business is dynamic like humans as well as principles, sometimes we have to change because it adapts to the needs of conditions.
I hope he shows what he has achieved today by relying solely on that principle. lol
957  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as good store for value on: August 15, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Assuming that everyone in this space wants just to make money out of bitcoin although I don't see how it's a bad thing or that it's something that we should frown upon isn't a good idea imo because we live in a world where money makes your life easier so what's the point of not embracing that idea instead of becoming an outcast about that idea. I think that most people in the bitcoin space are smart enough to know that bitcoin's a store of value too and it's kind of dickish of you to remind them of something that they already know.
This sort of thing does recur, lots of previous threads have been discussed maybe for some people this is a bit stale and yes those who remember will know this, but it doesn't matter because each discussion with a different analogy leads to a different train of thought in the future even though in essence it has the same essence, and again this can be used as a solution to remind some people who they might forget, because human nature is forgetful, it needs to be added that this will be a concern for new people who enter this forum and they didn't find this by accident, because it might be piled up with other discussions if they were purposely looking.
958  Economy / Economics / Re: What could Elon Musk be buying next? on: August 15, 2023, 03:34:55 PM
I think about the modification of Twitter to become bigger, maybe we will see that Twitter will make a buying and selling market like a marketplace company and Twitter has that integration with many sellers, and if it is true that multi-international trade occurs in Twitter which trades goods from various parts of the world with Crypto payment tool.
To predict buying an AI company or starting it earlier, I don't think there is an agenda for Elon to do it, because previously Elonmusk had previously been involved with the development of this AI technology, and he chose to leave it, so in my opinion it is impossible for Elon to Now. IMO
Even though that could happen, I still think that twitter could change a lot on how it looks, because right now profile is not like a profile for example, when you go into someone's profile you still see a lot of stuff on both sides, and that could change, basically the whole UI could be revamped. But if we are going to talk about what he might buy, I still think (and been thinking for many years) that he might buy a team.

I do not know in what sport, but I think he might buy a team, because when you are that rich, fighting against other rich people is not easy, he might do it against Mark lol, but normally he won't be able to, and with a team, he can spend a lot of money on it and make it the best one out there.
Good point there. Elon Musk is following trends. And as of lately, esports popularity is at an all-time high. Therefore, there is a possibility that he builds or buys a team to manage and compete for him. Some may think it is ridiculous and impossible but so was Twitter. Only a few, if not none at all, expected Elon Musk to buy Twitter and be so invested about it that he even revamped and rebrand it to the now platform X.
Does Elon Musk like esports? i don't think about it anything about him including E-sports, instead of him buying the team i think its better he buy the games all at once much better i think lol.
Judging from what he has done he is more interested in the world of technology and development, but if you think about it some of his companies are experiencing stagnant development and on average experiencing a decline, it is unlikely in the near term for elon to buy a new company or business , he was busy preparing himself to fight with Mark, instead of thinking about what he should buy again and doing experiments. Sad
959  Economy / Economics / Re: Agriculture can save your country from recession on: August 15, 2023, 12:43:17 PM
I think it will be better if we support agriculture industry by investing in it. but unfortunately not all land in this world is appropriate for agriculture industry. some country need to maximize their potential in order to take place in the world market. some country focus in technology or mining or etc, so I think it depend on each country. there are must be various type of product in the market.

In this world there are many countries with different levels of soil, but each land will never be wasted or redundant because land always has different contents in it in each country so that each country will always have a match to support the agricultural industry. Because each country does not have to produce from the same agricultural sources and every agricultural product that is different from each country will also be more profitable for each country when fellow countries can need each other's agricultural resources.

So in general no land is wasted in this world as long as everyone knows the soil content and knows what agriculture is suitable for that land. So I don't think there is a story for farmers not to grow crops as long as they still have land and land for them to work on in order to earn income in their life. Especially if in some countries that have been able to design land with today's agricultural technology so that they can grow crops like other countries with crop quality that is not much different.
Soil conditions are indeed different in every country, even in one country there are many different soil conditions in each region. And yes, we only need to understand what plants are suitable for the soil to be cultivated, but you also have to understand that some agricultural products that are needed by other people or become basic needs, of course this is quite difficult if you plant crops that are not really needed by other people or other countries, with so much land that can only be planted with some plants it does not support that the results of agriculture will be needed, this is back again to market demand.
I think this thought must exist in doing any business including agriculture.
960  Economy / Economics / Re: Would You Consider Adding Bitcoin to Your Retirement Savings on: August 15, 2023, 07:42:37 AM
Due to the reason that the total number of Bitcoins is the first benchmark besides a number of other things, there are still many people who want to hold Bitcoin and also consider it an important asset in their life. Moreover, at this time there are still very many people who want to invest in Bitcoin for various reasons, and it doesn't only work for every individual, but there are also some large companies where companies that are willing to accept Bitcoin in terms of payment will also use it as an investment for the future.

Yes, as you said, there are still many people who want to invest in Bitcoin for various reasons and Crypto as a Future Investment with BTC as the leader.

Well, the latest development now, if I'm not mistaken, in several countries, for example New York, which is one of the states of the United States, has gone a lot in this direction with the highest adoption of crypto where 19% of the population already own crypto.

But talking crypto doesn't mean talking bitcoin, 19% of adoption is indeed a good growth but we don't know what percentage is purely investing their money in bitcoin, I don't think that's clean data on bitcoin adoption.
But I hope that people who make purchases from altcoins will wake up and switch to bitcoin, in fact bitcoin is like the sun that gives life and will never go extinct, even though it is attacked a lot, but this awareness is very difficult, humans will realize where they are having difficulties , hopefully they are aware of bitcoin before their regrets come in old age.
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