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961  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
do u not believe that things in life and nature cycle?  how about breathing?  is it one continuous inhale?

Depends on scale. The universe is still inhaling Smiley

it won't matter if he throws QE3 on the table or not, the cycles are telling you that it's time for another decline.  i'd even go as far as to say that if he does throw QE3 out there, it'll make it far worse.  sophisticated investors understand this can only work for so long.

It definitely is time for a decline. Cycles can be disrupted, but not indefinitely. QE never stopped: where do you think the IMF funds came from? Announcing QE3 now would just make it official.

At the moment, there's a game of chicken going on between the EU and the US to see which will ramp up easing efforts first. EU heads have essentially been daring the Fed to let them fall and drag the US along. Deflation in Europe points to America having to kick up another gear which is exceptionally bad, considering the Fed has been digging itself deeper by supplying just enough liquidity to keep Europe's financial structure from violently imploding.

Meanwhile, sharks around the world smell America's blood. China, Russia, Iran...

Have a lotto where the treasury department sends a check once a month to everyone whose last name starts with the letter drawn that month.  Like 5,000 USD each.  The economy will turn around so quick your head will spin Wink

That's a nice amount of Bitcoins Smiley

Sending out checks might work... but QE3 will just give the investment bankers more margin to short with.

Exactly. Favor debtors while destroying creditors and crippling the economy, or save creditors while murdering savers and obliterating society.

Martin Armstrong's Anatomy of a Debt Crisis does an excellent job of explaining the dilemma and how Julius Caesar was in the process of realizing a solution before his assassination. On this topic, I am in full agreement with Armstrong and Caesar - neither side can be satisfied fully in order for the structure to survive.
962  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 03:11:42 PM
This is probably the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  Not in Labor Force CATAPULTS itself off the Feds charts!  The real # is 88,419,000!  And this it the all knowing Fed that you expect to be able to CONTROL the economy?

Not "all knowing" and certainly not able to control the economy. The system is done. Over. Finished. The USD is a smoldering husk, as are all other fiat currencies. There is no way to stop or reverse this.

What is being done is misdirection; a parlor trick. The wool can be pulled over peoples' eyes enough that they either believe it, or don't know what to believe. At best, most citizens willingly comply, at worst they're shocked enough to do the same.

It's a massive illusion. Ask random people what they know about HFT. If they're even aware of it, it's almost guaranteed they don't know that it can toss prices in any direction desired - that it is being used to create a false representation, destroying genuine price discovery. The markets would scarcely exist without the banks & bots, not to mention gov't meddling. Those are virtually all that's left.

Look at today's jobs numbers. It's among the most blatantly fraudulent of statistical charades. Who understands this? Very few. In a world of constant over-stimulation, the voices of these few are not enough to rouse majority awareness in the short term.

If gold were to collapse, it would've fallen below production cost last year - below $1,000/oz. Instead we have greater global turmoil, secret presidential rendezvous in the Middle East, reports of detention camps across America, more nations in Europe fracturing, and perpetual histrionics from every corner of "authority".

With uncertainty about a nation, there comes uncertainty over its issued currency. Wouldn't you worry about your deposits if your bank's stock were to become volatile? I won't even get into the matter of gold avoiding the rat-race of yield-chasing.

Nothing is real.

Quote from: Milton Friedman
Fundamentally, there are only two ways of coordinating the economic activities of millions. One is central direction involving the use of coercion -- the technique of the army and of the modern totalitarian state. The other is voluntary cooperation of individuals -- the technique of the marketplace.
~Milton Friedman

Thanks to illusion and misdirection, the marketplace has temporarily been usurped by central efforts. Instead of guns, we have charts.
963  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
Down goes silver.

Under $30?  I blinked and missed it. 


check again.

Missed again...
964  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [0 GH/s 0% fee SMPPS] ArsBitcoin mining pool! on: May 04, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
He is not going to pay us what he owes us? I highly doubt ARS would do that...

BT is not officially Ars - he is among the Ars community, but he was operating independently. The pool name was its only association.

As regrettable as it is (I still think BT should've accepted assistance), the pool has been functioning without direct management for a long time and the persistently negative buffer was a bad sign. It probably would've been best to shut the pool down well before now, but what's done is done.

Keep things in perspective - any loss here is peanuts by comparison and certainly not malicious as other events were, like the 2011 Mt Gox or recent Linode hack.
965  Economy / Services / Re: GPUMAX | The Bitcoin Mining Marketplace on: May 04, 2012, 02:53:44 AM
Purchasing is still disabled for me. This may change in the future.

Purchasing seems enabled now!

Yep, even had some queued work finally go through. Mighty fine.
966  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 03, 2012, 09:51:03 PM
miscreanity, you know i know you really well.  tell me you're not buying puts on gold and silver like mad right now.  you know you're making it worse...

Well enough Smiley

But, I'm not. Last year, I stated that I would probably not be in traditional markets at all after that cycle's conclusion. We're now past the apogee of that cycle, yet there has been a tremendous effort to prevent it from oscillating back naturally. I'd taken a small loss because the time-frame was stretched. Even if I were to make a fully realized paper profit, there is too much potential for it to become inaccessible because of other circumstances, a la MF Global. That's in addition to the devaluation risk, which could heavily negate any profits if I'm prevented from moving funds effectively.

In light of the above, I decided in February that any and all assets exposed to western finance would be at too great a risk. Only a token amount is in play now, and just in extremely liquid currency markets. The long AUD/USD, long EUR/AUD trade was a very nice 12-hour payday, not to mention the interest spread before AUD/USD was stopped out. I now have a short EUR/USD, short USD/CHF trade in play and am expecting the former to approach 1.25 before I close that out and increase the latter.

As for gold and silver, physical is still everything. Gold below $1,000 was left behind a long time ago, and the same is happening with $1,650. If you don't have physical metal, this is the last chance at these prices before they're never seen again in present-day fiat terms.

The rules are being changed. TF Metals outlines the situation nicely, in particular: "I think this is all a big setup. However, this time, it's an opposite setup to what we're used to."

Other than gold & silver (for the foreseeable future) - Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin.

1) Mining shares are among the most heavily _naked_ shorted these days.  Probably ETF's as well.  Since it serves various powerful interests to depress the fiat price of PMs, there is next to no possibility that these crimes will analyzed (except to further facilitate them.)  I predict that if/when the share prices explode, very few people will actually see a monetary reward unless they are either very well connected or thinking very independently and orthogonaly about how to capitalize.

 2) A component of the high frequency trading which is endemic at present exist to provide a mechanism by which mountains of naked shorted paper are hidden in plain site.  The mechanism would be similar to trying to keep track of bowling pins handled by a large team of very talented juggling artists.

 3) The main purpose of the MF Global 'fiasco' was to establish in case law certain surprising principles which had been codified into written into the books over the preceding decade about who shoulders what losses in the event of a collapse.

#2 is one of the few hypothesis that I believe is completely my own invention.  #3 may be, but I'm not so sure.

Dead-on with all three, the first especially so. It's why owning physical metal is so important. For shares, Mr. Sinclair has warned multiple times that owners should register their holdings as book entries with the respective company's transfer agent so that your ownership is recorded in more than one place (i.e. the broker). Rehypothecation would at least be mitigated to an extent because proof of ownership is not dependent just on your word against the street name holding. Anyone who might have done this would either be a priority concern over all other claimants in the MF Global fiasco, or have already had 100% asset return.

For #2, there's no need to even hide anymore. Awareness of how the markets work today is so far beyond most investors' ken that the only thing that matters is the price chart. Unlike the savvy individuals in this thread and the professional investment/trading community, most have no clue how volume or psychology relate to markets. Many engage in wilful ignorance of the underlying dynamics, remaining limited only to what they've been trained in. On top of that, the velocity that you point out makes it hard for even pros to keep up with events.

The way I look at #3, case law was related but had less to do with MFG than the response of capital; a vast majority of investment wealth likely didn't respond at all, meaning owners have been reasonably conditioned into complacency regarding such events.

Imagine finding some of your money missing from your wallet every morning. Some thief in the night came along and took it. Fast forward a bit and the thief walks into your home and lifts the cash right in front of you, but you're so used to it you think it's normal, or are so busy you can't make the effort to stop it. A conditioned response, no-win for the rightful owner and win-win for the thief.
967  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Intel HD Graphics on: May 03, 2012, 08:26:28 PM
LOL, you may be the first person to estimate even less than I would have.

It only has 16 stream processors, and the 5830 has 1600 stream processors.

My CPU has 64 stream processors (or can do 64 parallel computations) and I only get ~7Mhash, I'd be surprised if the Intel HD got over 5 Mhash.

Are Intel's "Execution Units" directly comparable to AMD's "Stream Processors"? I'd be more curious to see what the power consumption will be for the respective hash rate.
968  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: May 03, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Haven't you read all those threads saying there won't be big earthquakes anymore because of the shorting effects of bitcoinica and others? No more rockets, ever...

Things may be muted internally, but broader markets will influence Bitcoin simply because of their magnitude. Dollars or Euros flowing into Bitcoin would cause a launch no matter what derivative mechanisms are in place for Bitcoin.
969  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 03, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
the INSTANT earnings were released after hours last nite we got this gap down.  David Einhorn has been short this puppy for around 5 years.  Patience pays:

It happens gradually then all at once.

it makes you wonder; how fast can computers read an earnings report and digest its implications? 

i say they don't; the stock price was propped up from the beginning by HFT's and it was time to pull the plug.

Manufactured volatility. Need I say more?

As for the miners, they've been perpetually weighed on by algos in the same manner that Apple, et al. have been propped up. Why would a snap back from highs be any different than a snap back from lows?

It's misdirection - look over here at Apple and buy that while I go over here and scoop up quality real assets and miners. A typical wealth accumulation game.
970  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ~ PAYING 8% MONTHLY INTEREST ON DEPOSITS ~ on: May 03, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
Interest payment received.
971  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: May 03, 2012, 07:20:17 AM
These are just wobbles - basically noise, at this point.  As usual the name of the game is sell/short above $5.15 if you can, buy back/cover below $5.  Rinse, repeat.

What the... this makes twice that I'm agreeing with you. Did hell freeze over, or even more shocking - did Jamie Dimon resign?
972  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the price so stable? on: May 02, 2012, 08:26:42 AM
"Simplicity is the seal of truth."

But my rational mind does appreciate many of your posts miscreanity Smiley

"Nature is wonderfully simple, and the characteristic mark of a childlike simplicity is stamped upon all that is true and noble in Nature."
Excerpt from The Story of Alchemy and the Beginnings of Chemistry.

I am quite fond of simplicity and believe life as a whole can be greatly simplified, I am looking forward to an extreme simplification of the financial world.

Thanks Smiley

A corollary is that complexity arises from simplicity. My issue is that the level of analysis provided by S3052 pertains to the trading environment but was being applied to areas in which it is not appropriate. Trading is a major part of a dynamic system, but it is not the entire system.

Everyone has the right to believe what he thinks is right.

Certainly. Now for some debate Smiley

I believe the socionomics theory more, whcih says that the market itself is the best leading indicator for the economy and social mood.

Even when a market is no longer a market? Social mood can't change the fact that food is necessary for survival.

It doesn't help that I'm not fond of Prechter, to be euphemistic. Adherence to one side without flexibility to account for variable conditions has resulted in his incessant calls for gold topping and being wrong every time.

2009: Prechter Says Gold & Silver Due for a Major Fall
2010: Gold could fall 40 percent from peak: Prechter
2011: Gold's Short-Term Move: Evidence of a Longer Trend?
2012: Robert Prechter of Elliot Wave Intl. on how Social Mood Drives Markets

For a while now, fundamental reality has been the dominant force - not the whim of hopes and dreams. The "social mood" is being led around by the nose, and conditions are nowhere near right for "socionomics" to be valid. Maybe another decade or two from now, in China.
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Prediction: Dwolla will get bought by a huge banking conglomerate on: May 02, 2012, 07:09:46 AM
The 3.99% fee is only for cash deposits.

Dwolla's fee is $0.25 but it takes 7 days to get verified and set up.

If I can do ACH for about 1%, but the turnover is about 24 hours, would you pay it?

Absolutely.
974  Economy / Services / Re: GPUMAX | The Bitcoin Mining Marketplace on: May 02, 2012, 03:54:55 AM
Update

All the issues have been resolved and the flood gates are open.  Give her everything you got.

We will start inviting shortly.

Enjoy
I was waiting for the sight of this for weeks...


Is it wrong to have an irrationally positive response to that?
975  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 02, 2012, 12:47:16 AM
we don't need no stinkin' icons!



+10^∞
976  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 02, 2012, 12:33:21 AM
Go Bitcoin Go!

 Cheesy

(Too bad there are no pom-pom icons...)
977  Economy / Services / Re: GPUMAX | The Bitcoin Mining Marketplace on: May 01, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
Yup, the login site is indeed under the weather. Payments went out earlier, though.

Seems like there might be some heavy back-end overhauling. Would be nice to get an update from pirate.
978  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 01, 2012, 10:16:11 PM
So which will be first, QE3, war with Iran, or the Presidential election Wink

Great question... hmmm

Id say election,war,QE3

QE3, election, war.

QE3 in late 2nd or early 3rd quarter will support re-election. Once elections are over, there will be no real barriers to oligarchic dictatorship (similar to China) - everything is in place. Then war over a diminishing supply of cheap resources. The war will be both external and internal.

Apple down.

Gold down.

Silver down.

Bitcoin up.

Where are gold & silver down? Or Apple? Or Bitcoin up? After all the intra-day gyrations, nothing has shifted much - only marginal changes; statistically insignificant.

Only the AUD experienced a truly major change, with most of the outflows seemingly going into the Euro & Swiss Franc - Long AUD/USD, Long EUR/AUD paid off well.
979  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Total 300 BTC, 10% for 30 days, renew automatically or paid back in one month on: May 01, 2012, 10:02:26 PM
Sent 2.5BTC interest to miscreanity, 17a2WmHQf4QyjR2NwZuc9wFQ2EQPUqAJWf

Confirmed.
980  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the price so stable? on: May 01, 2012, 07:20:49 AM
TH reason for the flat prices are not more speculators (we rather have fewer of them). The simple reason is the chart picture of bitcoin/USD. After a huge 3.5-fold rally from Nov 11, prices need to consolidate this rally. This will change after this consolidation is over.

This assumes either everyone involved with Bitcoin is trading, or the chart pattern is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Either way, the over-simplification is preposterous.

Remember: there really is a world outside of squiggly lines on a screen. Fundamentals trump technicals.
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