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961  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 25, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
You know, it's hilarious to read speculation threads from, say, a year or so ago.

Just saying.
962  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 22, 2013, 07:12:08 PM
lol, looks like the roughly 15k bitcoins stacked up around $20 have been moved to $99.xx.  That guy is a little too optimistic, don't you think?  It takes a pretty wild imagination to expect anyone paying nearly $1.5m for 15kBTCs, even in the next 5 years.

I'm guessing it's someone hoping for a huge freak spike.
963  Economy / Speculation / Re: A dollar a week on: January 22, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
13.5 + 52 = 65.5 by year end
I wouldn't be surpriced.

Bitcoin was up 288% in 2012 which means a target price of $50 in 2013 is achievable.

Repeat after me: Past performance does not guarantee future results.
964  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 21, 2013, 03:13:19 PM
ya know... in june and july, i told my family about bitcoin and tried to get some loaned money to buy some FPGA's. 4 to 5 grand worth. didn't work, obviously. at this point i'm just happy i don't have my spreadsheets on hand anymore to show me how much money the coins i could have mined would be worth...

it's bad enough thinking about all the games i've bought on steam!

Could you have mined more than you could have bought, that is, around 500 BTC?
965  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-01-19 autostraddle.com - Virtual Currency Bitcoin is Fascinating,Terrifying on: January 20, 2013, 03:05:15 PM
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As you know, I'm a huge fan of government. I generally believe that the government, and not the private sector, should be regulating our money.

To be fair the author notes Bitcoin is different in that it isn't controlled by the government or the private sector.
966  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mega dont accept bitcoins the official cry thread on: January 20, 2013, 02:26:46 AM
Where did this idea of Mega taking BTC come from anyway? I see a lot of talk about the idea with nothing tangible to back the idea at all. The amount of speculation over the subject just shows what an echo cahmber this forum is, IMO.
967  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: January 18, 2013, 08:43:29 PM
Quote from: proudhon

A proper dump like we've seen in the past could easily take out everything down $13.  I'm waiting for that one, and the subsequent panic selling.   Grin


Currently that's about 60,000 BTC to go to13 in one go. Serious money. We've seen huge dumps to be sure, but you have to consider the USD price too, don't you? How many dumps over 500,000 dollars worth have there been? I must admit, I don't remember.
968  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Krugman: Is the Computer Revolution Coming To a Close? on: December 27, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
Funny reading a nobel winning economist fool themselves with an elaborate version of the luddite fallacy.

By "reading" do you mean imagining? Read the article. Krugman is specifically arguing that the IT revolution is only starting.
969  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 18, 2012, 07:27:10 PM
its been a few days... i call tops and bottoms, its my gift to the community  Smiley

Calling is easy. It's getting it right that's hard... What's your track record?
970  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Meanwhile on Wikipedia... on: December 16, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
It is safe to say that the fuel powering the malicious machinery that is SA, is quite likely "welfare".

Too easy, don't you think?

Go read that SA thread where they engage in a circle-jerk over how badly Bitcoin sucks. See the groupthink. Then consider that's what this forum looks like to them. See what pisses you off most about what the SA folks say and do, and make sure you don't do it yourself, because that's all just primate dominance dynamics, nothing to do with actually furthering any cause beside self-aggrandization.
971  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-12-12 occupycorporatism.com - Globalist Controlled Bitcoin Becomes “Bank” on: December 16, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
That was amazing. It was like the writer was using a language they don't know very well, only the language in question is basic cognition. Maybe the product of some type of psychotropic drug.
972  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Meanwhile on Wikipedia... on: December 15, 2012, 12:41:57 PM
I adde my 2 cents, replying to a request for a "source saying Bitcoin is a currency by an unbiased organization with reconized authority"


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There's the European Central Bank study on virtual currencies, with a lenghty portion focusing on Bitcoin:
http://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/other/virtualcurrencyschemes201210en.pdf
I quote: "It operates at a global level and can be used as a currency for all kinds of transactions (for both virtual and real goods and services), thereby competing with official currencies like the euro or US dollar"
There's also this tidbit about the Swedish FSA considering Bitcoin a "means of payment" for business purposes:
http://www.bitcoin.se/2012/12/04/finansinspektionen-klassar-bitcoin-som-betalningsmedel/
(In Swedish, but google translation looks decent enough.)
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The lottery analogy doesn't sit right with me on: December 15, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
So much energy goes into explaining mining to people who should be told why they would want to use Bitcoin in the first place. It's like you explained a city to someone who's never seen one, and mainly concentrated on telling them how the plumbing works and how much money plumbers make.
974  Economy / Economics / Re: Has the 'Bitcoin Experiment' changed your political or economic views at all? on: December 14, 2012, 11:58:42 PM
Very true.  In fact, religious morality is the exact opposite of objective -- it is arbitrary, full of magical exceptions, and not based at all on relevant material fact.  Once again, cunticula has it exactly the other way around.  Does not surprise me.

I'd argue there's a bias towards equating "morality" with "good". I, too, can't see any way to have morality without a supreme authority. This doesn't mean there's no right and wrong, the responsibility for deciding what is what is simply left to the individual.
975  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 10:22:40 PM
seriously thinking about shorting.... its so tempting

It'd be tempting if I had a time machine. As I don't, I might as well flip a coin.
976  Economy / Economics / What's a proper measure of economic growth? on: December 14, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
Lately I've had this feeling, not particularly well articulated yet, that a part of the problem with the way we think of economies is that we measure their growth and decline in currency. It's a feedback loop, isn't it?

GDP is measured in currency, but the value of that currency is dependent on the GDP of the states issuing said currency. From what I can gather, the "proper" thing to do is to take GDP growth and substract the inflation rate from that to arrive at a realistic figure... but what happens when the inflation rate radically changes? What if the inflation rate isn't properly reported?

I'm too much of an economics noob to ask more insightful questions about this, but it bothers me. Hopefully someone here can catch on to what I'm circling around?

edit: From what I can gather, it seems economic policy, in an idealized form, is a balancing act between keeping inflation to a "sustainable" level while achieving GDP growth of a couple of percent a year, but where did the idea that a few percent a year is a sustainable rate of growth come from? If you discard the idea that significant yearly growth is sustainable, doesn't a deflationary currency become preferrable?
977  Economy / Economics / Re: Eurozone reving up the money press on: December 14, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Interesting, but no mention of Bitcoin in the article.
978  Economy / Speculation / Re: Most likely source of the major dumps? on: December 14, 2012, 10:04:29 PM

In other assets you either need to show proof of the exact unit being sold or they are treated first in, first out.

Now technically if you didn't use a shared wallet, and only sent funds to MtGox when you intended to sell the entire batch you could (through coin selection) choose which coins to sell and thus pick your basis.  Not sure I would want to be the one trying to explain all that to the IRS for the first time so FIFO is likely your best bet.


Not wanting to be the first to try it out is part of why I don't see myself selling any time soon... I figure I wait until I can either just buy something significant directly in BTC or until the profits are sufficient to justify hiring a lawyer to deal with it. Probably the former.

edit: and I should note, I'd guess a lot of big early adopters are thinking along the same lines. Although Sirius apparently bought an apartment. Maybe he'd have something interesting to say on the subject.
979  Economy / Speculation / Re: Most likely source of the major dumps? on: December 14, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
How many people have records of how much BTC they bought and when? What documentation will the IRS accept?

With Mt. Gox, if I remember correctly for 2011 tax year the account holder could request that an IRS 1099-B report be generated for them.


That's good, I guess. Any idea how that works, more specifically? If you spent X USD over a year, at varying prices, and sold a portion of what you've bought, what will your buy-in price be counted as?
980  Economy / Speculation / Re: Most likely source of the major dumps? on: December 14, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
In the U.S. there are big changes coming to the tax rates.  

So if you are in the U.S. and reporting your capital gains on your taxes, it is better to cause that transaction to occur in 2012 while the rate is lower.



How many people have records of how much BTC they bought and when? What documentation will the IRS accept?
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