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GENERAL BACKGROUND BS

 Who am I a miner been mining since 2012.
 Why this thread I like the sp20.
  Disclosure I have 6 of these.  
  First one sold to me by raskul  it was 795 he gave me a coupon it was 715 +119 shipping = 834 Raskul links to spondoolies-tech

  I got a deal from an ebay seller on the second one I paid about 700 after an ebay coupon.  ebay is always hit or miss this was a triple with 2 men on.

  3,4,5 black friday/cyber monday  sale 3  different orders  each was 695 + 119 shipping or 814  raskul sig link for these 3

 6th  Spondoolies contacted me about a t-shirt offered on for free.  I said cool but since you gave out 10 machines to legends for free how about selling me the sixth one cheaper. So the sixth one cost me   814-150 = 664 and I got a free t-shirt.   and used  raskul  link again.



That is my full disclosure. I do not get paid for this and if you look at my signature I do not get any referral money for sales of this item.


The good stuff starts here

  Below are the links I have found that I think are good for buyers and or miners to look at.

Right off the bat   the machine's 1700gh rating is like saying my Kia Forte is rated to drive at 120 mph or 190 KPH. yeah on a slight downhill road with the pedal to the floor. On a cold 5C but not too cold day -10C.

Think 1600gh for your max.  with fan on 80 or 90 , cold air and a good psu.


FAN is loud. even at setting of 20%

In my opinion this is the best miner I have ever owned.   Why is that?  it  downclocks really really really well

 I am debating if I should go from 6 to 10 of them. ----- note I ordered more for  a total of 10

Main Thread for all of  spondoolies:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.0

The SP20 quick start guide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6W1cHravKw    


Lets not forget Dogie's guide:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886633.0

Links to the legends reviews:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887807.0  Spondoolie's Legendary review offer to 10 Legends--Edit--may be 11 and 1 hereo


1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895085.0  spiccioli
2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895798.0   Xian01  
3) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896161.0   johnyj
4) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896065.0   Mushroomized
5) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896004.0  John (John K.)
6) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896134.0  SaltySpitoon
7) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896656.0   notlist3d  
8.) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896910.0  THE JOINT
9)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897151.0  Dabs
10) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896913.0 Syke
11) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900307.0 goxed
12) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898952.0 blazedout419
13) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898562.0 jjiimm_64
14) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901021.0 OgNasty
15) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897053.0  Jimmothy
16) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901758.0  Epoch
17) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901771.0  MrTeal
18) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903307.0  2Good
19) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904873.0 TECSHARE


1 more to come Note please let me know when you post I will put your link in.

Mr. Teal did I miss your review?  I think all other ones are listed above.  Mr Teal is in the House! nice tear down of the sp20e

I believe this is a full house.

Below is the original start of thread.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________

Okay I purchased one last week it arrived today. I will show lots of photos .  I will test it on various settings with different psu's.

I self mod for a few reason's I don't want to hear it won't roi or it will roi.  I don't want to read nasty insults.  

This is for gear head tweaking dudes and dudettes.

Many photos to come.


box is about the same size as an antminer s-3



bottom open not top



cardboard packing my  guess is rough handling and these would struggle- so far 8 have arrived safely



the money maker is revealed

[(-0.35%)]

 I will get this going in a bit.

I self mod it do to seriouscoin   and basically I tolerant anythings except insults so everyone feel free to comment

this was Nov 4 to Nov 18 below

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846810.0


Okay  last diff was 1.76 %

This one starts out very low :

 bitcoincharts =  (-0.35%)
 bitcoinwisdom= (+1.1%)

my guess is both estimates are low and the coupon dump from bitmaintech will cause a bigger jump maybe as much as 4-6%

 I have 50 s 4 coupons.   worth   400 each
  I have 17 c 1 coupons.  worth 50 each
  I have 15 13  s-3 coupons.  worth 50 each

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671189.msg9557627#msg9557627
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671189.msg9577320#msg9577320


send me a pm with offers for them.  

will take btc only as little as one as many as all if the offer is correct.

 diff ended with under 2%

I lock thread with end of diff new thread here


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864274.new#new

First off thanks to seriouscoin this is self modded.

with 2111 blocks to next jump the two sites I use are at .2% and

12.8 %

  http://www.bitcoincharts.com


Blocks   328613
Total BTC   13.465M
 
Difficulty   39603666252
Estimated   39685889293 in 2011 blks
 
Network total   316390.077 Thash/s
Blocks/hour   7.33 / 491 s

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Bitcoin Difficulty:   39,603,666,252
Estimated Next Difficulty:   44,673,779,645 (+12.80%)
Adjust time:   After 2011 Blocks, About 13.1 days
Hashrate(?):   296,890,017 GH/s
Block Generation Time(?):   
1 block: 9.4 minutes
3 blocks: 28.1 minutes
6 blocks: 56.3 minutes
Updated:   22:10 (4.1 minutes ago)

I mark June 29th 2014 as the third stage of asic development

Difficulty History

Date   Difficulty   Change   Hash Rate
Nov 05 2014   39,603,666,252   10.05%   283,494,086 GH/s
Oct 23 2014   35,985,640,265   2.81%   257,595,247 GH/s
Oct 09 2014   35,002,482,026   0.98%   250,557,526 GH/s
Sep 25 2014   34,661,425,924   16.20%   248,116,151 GH/s
Sep 13 2014   29,829,733,124   8.75%   213,529,547 GH/s
Aug 31 2014   27,428,630,902   15.03%   196,341,788 GH/s
Aug 19 2014   23,844,670,039   20.86%   170,686,797 GH/s
Aug 08 2014   19,729,645,941   5.30%   141,230,307 GH/s
Jul 25 2014   18,736,441,558   8.08%   134,120,673 GH/s
Jul 12 2014   17,336,316,979   3.08%   124,098,191 GH/s
Jun 29 2014   16,818,461,371   24.93%   120,391,236 GH/s


Growth has been about 9% from June 29th to Nov.  This date is used because it marks the end of the s-1 sales and the s-3 sales started taking off.   power improved from 2 watts to .8 watts.
     Remember this is a spec thread so you can feel free to guess anything I don't mind.  


@ seriouscoin feel free to post  

 Thread locked  look for a new one soon!!

running from 0.033% to 1.16%

I still see no reason for builders to push for more data centers

 With current coinbase price at $363 usd a coin

building bigger data centers have big downsides. 1 good price drop under 200 and the big guy will be seriously set back.

I wonder how long we stay at 300-400 btc price

because at that price growth will be very low.



https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty


Bitcoin Difficulty:   35,985,640,265
Estimated Next Difficulty:   36,402,957,513 (+1.16%)
Adjust time:   After 1961 Blocks, About 13.6 days
Hashrate(?):   259,882,798 GH/s
Block Generation Time(?):   
1 block: 9.9 minutes
3 blocks: 29.9 minutes
6 blocks: 59.7 minutes
Updated:   13:40 (5.2 minutes ago)



http://www.bitcoincharts.com/
.033 %

Blocks   326647
Total BTC   13.416M
 
Difficulty   35985640265
Estimated   35997038050 in 1961 blks
 
Network total   267760.088 Thash/s
Blocks/hour   6.31 / 570 s

[Nov 29 2013 to June 29 2014 = 213 days]

As usual I do bitcoincharts and bitcoinwisdom one runs low one runs high.  so 1.85 to 5.07   is the guess for now.
I also added a section on diff since May of 2013 when asics started to be available via asic miner

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Bitcoin Difficulty:   35,002,482,026
Estimated Next Difficulty:   36,778,460,333 (+5.07%)
Adjust time:   After 1733 Blocks, About 11.5 days
Hashrate(?):   254,506,225 GH/s
Block Generation Time(?):   
1 block: 9.6 minutes
3 blocks: 28.8 minutes
6 blocks: 57.5 minutes

http://www.bitcoincharts.com/

Difficulty   35002482026
Estimated   35650025649 in 1733 blks

(+1.85%).

 
Network total   244719.395 Thash/s
Blocks/hour   5.86 / 614 s


Difficulty History of asics and btc

I divide the  diff jumps  into 3 sections.  I realize that cut off is arbitrary some will say I should go back to the first Avalon's of Jan  2013 for Early asic not May of 2013  but in May of 2013  asic miner was doing good sales of the little .333gh block erupters so I used May of 2013 as a starting point.

With the maturity of asics growth has finally become slower.


Asic maturity days  So far we are  about 104 days into the mature 28mn chips.  So far  this is about a 9.77% avg for this time period.  I see it going lower then 9.77 % due to power cost and of course  price in fiat.

Date---------   Difficulty---   Change-----   Hash Rate
Oct 09 2014   35,002,482,026   0.98%   250,557,526 GH/s
Sep 25 2014   34,661,425,924   16.20%   248,116,151 GH/s
Sep 13 2014   29,829,733,124   8.75%   213,529,547 GH/s
Aug 31 2014   27,428,630,902   15.03%   196,341,788 GH/s
Aug 19 2014   23,844,670,039   20.86%   170,686,797 GH/s
Aug 08 2014   19,729,645,941   5.30%   141,230,307 GH/s
Jul 25 2014   18,736,441,558   8.08%   134,120,673 GH/s
Jul 12 2014   17,336,316,979   3.08%   124,098,191 GH/s



Asic expansion days

Nov 29 2013 to June 29 2014  =  213 days about 19.22%

Jun 29 2014   16,818,461,371   24.93%   120,391,236 GH/s 23.77
Jun 18 2014   13,462,580,115   14.51%   96,368,902 GH/s
Jun 05 2014   11,756,551,917   12.44%   84,156,677 GH/s
May 24 2014   10,455,720,138   18.10%   74,844,960 GH/s 14.782
May 12 2014   8,853,416,309   10.66%   63,375,223 GH/s
Apr 29 2014   8,000,872,136   14.64%   57,272,474 GH/s
Apr 17 2014   6,978,842,650   14.04%   49,956,502 GH/s
Apr 05 2014   6,119,726,089   22.23%   43,806,706 GH/s
Mar 24 2014   5,006,860,589   17.80%   35,840,504 GH/s 7.0783
Mar 13 2014   4,250,217,920   11.39%   30,424,245 GH/s
Feb 28 2014   3,815,723,799   21.92%   27,314,015 GH/s
Feb 17 2014   3,129,573,175   19.39%   22,402,357 GH/s 4.4245
Feb 05 2014   2,621,404,453   19.49%   18,764,744 GH/s
Jan 24 2014   2,193,847,870   22.59%   15,704,175 GH/s
Jan 13 2014   1,789,546,951   26.16%   12,810,076 GH/s
Jan 02 2014   1,418,481,395   20.12%   10,153,885 GH/s
Dec 21 2013   1,180,923,195   30.01%   8,453,378 GH/s
Dec 10 2013   908,350,862   28.41%   6,502,229 GH/s


Early asic days

May 12 2013 to Nov 29 2013  = 201  days

Nov 29 2013   707,408,283   16.07%   5,063,826 GH/s
Nov 17 2013   609,482,680   19.29%   4,362,847 GH/s
Nov 05 2013   510,929,738   30.70%   3,657,378 GH/s
Oct 26 2013   390,928,788   46.02%   2,798,377 GH/s
Oct 16 2013   267,731,249   41.45%   1,916,495 GH/s
Oct 06 2013   189,281,249   27.19%   1,354,928 GH/s
Sep 25 2013   148,819,200   32.13%   1,065,289 GH/s
Sep 14 2013   112,628,549   29.56%   806,227 GH/s
Sep 04 2013   86,933,018   32.22%   622,291 GH/s
Aug 24 2013   65,750,060   29.40%   470,657 GH/s
Aug 13 2013   50,810,339   35.88%   363,715 GH/s
Aug 03 2013   37,392,766   19.63%   267,668 GH/s
Jul 22 2013   31,256,961   19.47%   223,746 GH/s
Jul 11 2013   26,162,876   22.63%   187,281 GH/s
Jun 29 2013   21,335,329   10.32%   152,724 GH/s
Jun 16 2013   19,339,258   23.92%   138,436 GH/s
Jun 05 2013   15,605,633   28.41%   111,709 GH/s
May 25 2013   12,153,412   8.64%   86,998 GH/s
May 12 2013   11,187,257   11.03%   80,082 GH/s

Sold it on ebay


I have this new I can sell to all 50 states for 90 usd.  I will include shipping> this runs around 125 see photos

btc only I use coinbase price  right now this is .25btc   shoot me a pm.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157501&cm_re=asrock_z97-_-13-157-501-_-Product


http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Motherboards-FATAL1TY-Z97-KILLER/dp/B00KFLV594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412288064&sr=8-1&keywords=ASRock+Fatal1ty+Z97+Killer+LGA+1150




second shot



third



fourth



fifth

Okay I have been very busy.  Last diff was big 16% on the 25th of sept.

Right now  the predication is:

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Bitcoin Difficulty:   34,661,425,924
Estimated Next Difficulty:   37,480,382,393 (+8.13%)
Adjust time:   After 1629 Blocks, About 11.9 days


and

 http://www.bitcoincharts.com/

Difficulty   34661425924
Estimated   34549633092 in 1629 blks

about -1 percent.

I have a really good idea why.  Simple last diff that jump bitmaintech put a shit load of s-4's online.  This jump they put none online.  They sold some and shipped them so right now they are in transit thus the tiny drop in hash rate.

Careful study of the all diff jumps since the release of the s-3 in july supports this theory ..  the out of bounds numbers would be a data center that was built by bitfury. and maybe some gear by spondoolies.  the rest is bitmaintech with some asicminer tossed in.

We are pretty much in a market that 3-5 asic builders run.

So we will have a smaller diff this time.

[I will sell them in a 2 pack for 1.2 btc and you pay for the shipping.]

They have been sold and mailed off.

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Okay here is the deal.  I purchased 1 asicminer tube from canary in the mines group buy.  I then purchased a second one from Blazedout419.  I paid good prices for the 2.  I modded them a bit and I got really lucky with these I hit 2 fast blocks in a very small pool mmpool.org I found a zen gawminer design flaw and was given a reward so when all is said and done .  The 2.0 btc  I paid for these has completely roi'd and I have a profit of .6btc on them.


right now the cheapest price for them is .79btc  and you need to buy 10x of them.    so that would cost 1.58btc

 So here is the deal. I will sell them in a 2 pack  for 1.2 btc and you pay for the shipping. I am on the east coast In Howell NJ, 07731

If you are in a lower  cost for power area these are a really good deal.

These get about 1.1 watt a gh.  and with my mods you can do freq 290 and get about 880gh at about 1000 watts for 1 and get 1760 gh and use 1936 watts

watts.

 So you are getting under 30 cents a gh !   494 usd for 1760 gh .

I rather sell the two as a pair.  I have two controllers and this is programed to mine on cex.io

[My apologies for neglecting this thread]

My apologies for neglecting this thread

Some real world issues happen and I cut back my posting.

I sold off everything but my free gaw fury which has free hosting until nov 7 2014.

I was ahead  0.522 btc on sept 29th 2014.  At that point in time I had 4mh in  primes I sold them for 142.50 usd on 10-14-2014 that was  about    0.352 btc.

total profit of 0.874 btc. after sale of primes

I sold 478gh of genesis for about 286 usd  that was about .71 btc

 0.874
 0.710
1.574 btc total profit of 1.574 btc after sale of genesis.
 

between sept 30th and oct 14th I mined about .11 after fees

1.574
0.110
1.684  complete total of profit  as of today oct  15th 2014

my original cc bill was fully paid.  

and I now have 1 little ole fury convert to a prime and about .003 btc in the account


so 1800  usd on my cc in   1800 usd paid off on my cc

plus 1.684 btc profit  not bad for 3 months or so.





I have locked thread 1 and thread 2 this is my third thread.  I am  not moderating it.

thread 1)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=698679.msg7894701#msg7894701

thread 2)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=743152.0

Been reading about burstcoin  and hdd mining are there more choices then burst coin?

 I can do 20- 30 tb with no worries  .   Thanks in Advance.

 Okay I have the following on my zencloud.  there are some new options that include sale of a prime hashlet a rocketship boost of a hashlet merging a hashlet splitting a hashlet.  Will look for more things to do with them.  Now this is new software so it may have bugs.  I have not found any and after last week I have promised to send a pm directly to Josh (zen ceo)   If I found one  so do not expect me to report on any bugs. I have had a few people asking if I have found any more of them.





the bottom left corner shows 3 options


after you pick the sell option you can still change your mind note the unusual price is because this is the gifted fury so it has a bit more value then a 1mh hashlet

plain and simple I do some side ltc mining on the wemineltc pool   last night they added  merged mining with doge coins as an add on.   So in about 7 hours I have added 150 doge coins .

calc says 15000kh should earn 2110 coins a day

http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=270&pc=0.15&pf=0.00&d=8936.70867744&r=62500.00000000&er=0.00000060&btcer=485.57000000&hc=0.00


so I guess I am having some bad luck when it comes to these . as 7 hours should be about 600 coins

Anyone have one of them or know where to get one?

Rather not wait 35 days for one.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp20-jackson-october-batch-1

 it says shipping second half of OCT  which is 35 days off.
I would buy one now but once again I don't want to wait for 35 or more days could be as long as 48 day wait for shipping.

I would be willing to test one with a

a evga1300 ---------psu

a evga 1600----------psu

a seasonic 1200 plat-----psu

I just do not want to send 1190 + 119 = 1309 usd in btc out and gone for that many days.

http://bitcoincharts.com/


Difficulty   29829733124
Estimated   29899735872 in 2013 blks

a .23% jump



https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Bitcoin Difficulty:   29,829,733,124
Estimated Next Difficulty:   32,687,713,301 (+9.58%)
Adjust time:   After 2014 Blocks, About 13.8 days

I start a new one every time there is a new diff jump.

I find these two tend to meet in the middle so 0.23 - 9.58  would be about  4.905 percent.


the last thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765956.0

  bitcoincharts = .0007 percent

btcwisdom = 14.78  percent

middle = 7.43 percent  I said under 7 percent   real number was 8.75 percent.

It should interesting to see if the under closer to the middle trend continues.

 
this is about 30-40 in value .  I would take  15 dollars for all of it including  shipping  it  to any usa state .  I would like it in btc that is about .031390xx btc


3 items the noctua fan is here at newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608027&cm_re=noctua_nf_b9-_-35-608-027-_-Product

mine is just the fan it is a four pin fan and an adapter

the rosewill is an 80 mm fan  the pcie adapter is diy it allows

4x  12 volt  dc plugs

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/82-12675  they were joined to a 6 pin pcie  adapter.  these four plugs used about 180 watts to run 4 gridseed blades.  just about 45 watts a plug.

  I had these  run well attached to platinum seasonic psu pcie cable.  so this was able to draw 180 watts 24/7/365

  well for 90 days not 365.  I  sold almost all my gridseeds on ebay  but I have spare parts.




 this shows some of the plugs and the noctua fans

you get 1 noctua fan + adapter and four plugs to one pcie and the rosewill fan  that adapter will do 4 gridseed blades at freq 800

I sold off most of my gridseed blades I do not need this gear.  I will toss in a grill






the full set of what you get .

the power adapter for the noctua

packing it safe


ready to ship to any of 50 states

[I know I pissed off Eric and he said no bounty. To defend him it was late at night I dropped a bombshell on him and spam filters caused a lot of people a lot of grief.]

New edit:
 I want to say that the bounty question was caused by my rush . Eric of zen mentioned to not post details here on bitcointalk. I had a miscommunication with him  and posted details my bad. Eric then said the would not pay the bounty.
  Frankly talking on pm's at 1:00 am
was my mistake I was tired and misunderstood Eric.  Posting so fast was a mistake on my part.  I got a lot of people going in lots of directions over this.  I know I pissed off Eric and he said no bounty.  To defend him it was late at night I dropped a bombshell on him and spam filters caused a lot of people a lot of grief.
  on the good side some real fixes are offered to this problem in the discussion on hashtalk.org so for now no nicehash but this idea below has promise

https://hashtalk.org/topic/5145/nicehash-sha256/737?page=39


since westhash/nicehash had rapid price flux someone proposed  a one month average I thought a diff jump length may be enough to fix it. cost of driving price up 10 or 11 days in a row would be more then enough and easier to detect.




Older edit:

 I am in contact with Gaw ceo and he asked me to say a few things.
I  am trying to be fair.  So here goes.
I stumbled on this problem. I tried to contact Eric and zen on zen hashtalk it was late last night and there was some miscommunication between the two of us. He asked me to not announce what I had found. I said okay He wanted emails explaining the flaw.  I sent multiple emails to him.  He kept saying I was not sending emails. I made a  statement that I did not believe him.  I posted what I found here.  In retrospect I suppose I could have waited longer to release the details.  I did not I released them.  My 1:00 am thinking may or may not have been the best thinking.

  Well the nicehash sha 256 mining option was ended on zen-gaw.  I have to say I have caused quite a few angry people. I wish that Eric's spam filters were not working as hard as they were in retrospect I would have waited to release this to see how they handled the issue.  I think I was mistaken and most likely Eric really did not have those emails.

 _______________________________________________________________________________ __

In defense of Eric and Josh of Zen and Gaw they closed the mining op for that pool they did the correct thing.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/5145/nicehash-sha256/3  They ended the nicehash -sha256 option
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______


I locked the first try at writing this thread  I decided I want to be able to moderate the thread.

I had 4 s-3's they mined at westhash and at nicehash. I sometimes would get huge spikes in price on Nicehash and westhash.  Often getting 2x normal payouts. I did not understand why but noted it as something I would look into. I did not understand why anyone would pay for sha256 hash at 2x the going rates.
I sold off my s-3's . I purchased 2 asicminer tubes.

 I was mining at mmpool.org with a pair of asic miner tubes. Why a small pool because asicminer tubes have pool choice limits if you use the stock controller (thanks fried cat).
So two days ago I thought I saw a flaw in mmpool.org's method of running the pool.  The pool is small around 50th.  I decided to test my idea out.  It involved buying large hash from westhash (a nicehash partner)  I purchased blocks of 30 th or 50 th even  100 th on and off from westhash and pointed them at mmpool.org  sometimes the mmpool.org got up to 130th of which 80th was all mine.
   After 30 hours of testing I spent about .75btc doing the tests I decided my idea that mmpool.org was flawed was wrong.  I did raise my btc due if it ever hits a block and would kind of break even if the block is hit soon.  The result I was looking for did not happen.  Sometimes an experiment can give a different result then you were looking for.
 I drove the price up from about .0245btc to .0307 btc on both westhash and its partner nicehash.  After I stopped the btc spending price dropped down to about .025btc




I realized this has other results.  I own an s-3  hosted on zen-cloud   and point it at nicehash.
here are scheduled payoffs for all zen gear pointed at nicehash


Payoff are .0307 per th.      now for 1 zen cloud s-3  this means you get .0145 instead of .0095   a gain of about .0050btc so no one would spend .7500 btc to gain .0050 btc.  But If I had pointed the extra hash at cex.io/ghash   my .75btc would have paid back around .5btc  so I would be spending around .2500 btc to earn .0050  now we all know  that makes no sense at all spending 50x the btc units to get 1 btc units for the 1 s-3 is silly a waste of money.

But zen cloud is full of gh in the sky.
the top ten are more then 100th total



 Those people would be paid  100 x .0307 = 3.07 btc  instead of standard 1.9 btc - 2.1 btc    so that is around 1 btc extra on just the top ten sha256 miners.  This could have cost zen-gaw big bucks. I like or should I say liked this company or maybe I should say I have had a hot and cold relationship with the company.  They have been very nice to me and at time really fucking stupid.
I am basically an honest guy so I decide to post a thread to them.  I fear they have been robbed more then once by manipulation on nicehash by someone buying on westhash.  I have seen huge over paid sha256 hash and could not understand why people would overpay for  sha 256 hash.  This reason is really good reason.  

So I do the right thing. I posted this thread.




I have more to say but I am going for a swim.  Be back in a few hours.

 I locked this will start over

Well here goes I have a zen thread I like the company enough to post a long thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=698679.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=743152.0

I find they were subject to attack I was not looking to rob them threaten them. I was looking to inform them of the problem. I was told they may reward me which would have been fine although I really wanted my .75 btc refunded that was done for the testing,  Not much more. What happens is a lot of bs ending with 2 return emails.

the title says it all anyone have them in hand usa based?



I see a UK seller but I want a usa seller.

this is the UK seller.

http://www.cryptobase.co.uk/product/new-r-box-100-110-ghs-asic-bitcoin-miner/

http://www.bitcoincharts.com/

predicts a tiny jump from

 current diff of 27,428,630,902
 to new diff of  27,428,876,790    

This is a .0007 percent jump .


  https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

 current diff of 27,428,630,902
Est next diff of 31,483,693,450

This is a 14.78 percent.

Well which will it be?
I have a good idea how each one does its magic prediction.   I usually shoot in the middle. But we ripped a 20.86 and a 15.03 back to back.  I do not think we see over 7% this time.  place your guesses here