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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 23, 2017, 03:25:39 AM
And everyone thought he fake profile story was a plant by Bitconnect   SMFH
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 23, 2017, 02:50:53 AM
You guys are lucky to be in Bitconnect, not Ethconnect, or Ucoincash
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: LUXURYCOIN – THE SAFEST AND REVOLUTIONARY LENDING PROJECT MAKE YOU BECOME LUXURY on: December 23, 2017, 02:49:05 AM
Does ICO Pre-sale  start on Sat Dec 23 or Monday 25th, counter says 28th Thursday ??
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] BITBASE Escrow Technology Changing Smart Contracts as Whole on: December 22, 2017, 11:34:44 PM
Something began early to say that the coin became a scam.

Yes, when they had a private sale for .02 in the very beginning and on this thread too, to gain some BUZZ
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 22, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
Chain group ran away last week and kept the site up for 7 days.
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE-ICO] Graft - credit card and crypto payment processing network on: December 22, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
HOW WE PRICED GRAFT ICO

We get a lot of questions about the ICO pricing, including “Why GRAFT ICO is so expensive”. What follows is an attempt to explain how we arrived at the ICO pricing and what all contributed to it.

NOT ALL ALTCOINS ARE THE SAME

There are two types of altcoins (aka tokens) out on the market today – one that sit on top of another blockchain (like Ethereum), and others that implement their own blockchain. The ratio of derivative tokens to custom blockchain ones are roughly 100:1.  
It is a lot easier to do a derivative token based ICO – you just write a small amount of code in  Solidity (if Ethereum) – and you have a token you can sell. Doing or modifying a blockchain on the other hand involves a very substantial amount of engineering efforts – the team has to figure out the math and economics behind the blockchain, implement additional capabilities, secure that new functionality, create API’s, in many cases create applications like a wallet, etc. They also have to create a whole new network complete with node installation procedures, upgrade processes, and many other considerations.
GRAFT is the latter of the two – while leveraging CryptoNote protocol which addresses privacy, decentralization and fungibility as well as  great work that Monero team has done to improve scalability among other things, GRAFT is having to implement a new communication protocol that allows instant authorizations, a distributed API (DAPI) that allows connections from the POS and other applications, and a set of reference applications for the point of sale  and the wallet – just to name a few high-profile tasks.  


DERIVATIVE TOKENS COST MORE

Tokens run on top of another blockchain (say Ethereum), so purchasing a token is not sufficient to run the application that the token represents – you also need to purchase “fuel” (which is the underlying coin/token). The amount of fuel depends on the amount of transactions that the token application represents. Compare this to the blockchain like GRAFT which encompasses the value of entire transaction. As you can see, the cost of a token is more than meets the eye, in some cases much more.




PAY ATTENTION TO VALUATION, NOT TOKEN COST

Valuation (or capitalization) follows a simple formula: (Number of tokens or coins) x (Price of the token / coin).
It’s natural for people to think that smaller price of the token represents a bargain, but the critical piece in this equation is the number of coins or tokens that are being issued.
For example, which is less expensive (has higher valuation) – 1 billion tokens at $1, or 10 million tokens at $10?
It is as you could calculate the latter, with corresponding valuations of $1B vs $100MM.  So when you buy a $10 token from a 10 million token pool, you actually end up with a significantly (10x) larger piece of the pie than if you buy the same amount of the $1 token in a 1 billion token pool.
Most token ICO’s are not burdened by emission math (the formula that guides how the coins are mined, making the later mined coins harder to mine than earlier mined coins), so they issue a very large number of tokens (often in 100’s of millions or even billions) and then pricing the tokens low for the perception of the low entry cost.


Top 10 Derivative tokens (illustrating circulating supplies differences)


GRAFT VALUATION IS 1/40 OF DASH

GRAFT’s total final emission (the number of coins to ever be minted) is roughly 18 million (18,446,744 to be precise). We’re pre-mining certain number of coins (45%) to cover the ICO, marketing, reserves, and incentives. This is it. We will never be able to add or pre-mine any more coins!  We have also decided not to siphon off any fees from the transactions to fund the development like some of the other blockchains are doing.  
As such we have to make sure that whatever we raise now will be sufficient to sustain GRAFT project until no further development or support from the core team are required (we estimate that to be roughly 7 years with the overall team growing to 30-40 people). This is roughly $25MM.  
Now, we also have to account for additional unexpected expenses, crypto-currency fluctuations at the time of the raise, and potential taxable events. This means that we need to need to double the $25MM getting us to $50MM.
Since the ICO represents 25% of the total coin supply, the $50MM has to be equal to 25%, which brings the valuation to $200MM, and subsequently the price of the coin to roughly equivalent of $11 USD.


SUMMARY


When evaluating GRF pricing, it’s really important to compare apples to apples in terms of:
size of emission (or the number of tokens available)
type of a token/coin – a blockchain or a token on top of another blockchain
valuation which is a product of number of tokens multiplied by price
If you do such comparison, you will see that GRF token ICO compares very favorably against other blockchains on the market:

 Current circulationPriceMarket Cap / Valuation
Bitcoin16,678,650$6,100.00$100,000,000,000
Etherium95,715,037$310.00$29,500,000,000
Ripple38,622,870,411$0.20$30,000,000,000
Litecoin53,819,707$60.00$3,250,000,000
Dash7,687,407$340.00$3,200,000,000
Monero15,345,839$118.00$1,800,000,000
Graft (after ICO)8,301,034$11.00$91,311,374

The original post: https://www.graft.network/2017/11/16/how-we-priced-graft-ico/

Doesn't seem like a good deal for early investors in the pre-sale when btc was $5500 back then, which is now adjusted to be $35 token with btc at $19500 divided by 100/1 dilution  is currently 0.35 cost basis for them. They should get rewarded extra tokens.  .    

It's actually exactly the opposite - pre-sellers ARE benefitting a lot from the raise in crypto.  They got their tokens at $.06 (after the discount and factoring in the split), and with the ICO prices at $.35, they are effectively getting a 6x return, which is 2x better than what they would have gotten if they held the funds in BTC!

Then I read it wrong, it looked like the ICO was going to be prices at $0.11
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 21, 2017, 09:38:33 PM
Not only that. But ethconnect dont loik too good.  Lmao
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 21, 2017, 09:37:41 PM
They emailed some top promoters about it. You can find on YouTube Team US crypto Baller
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] HomeBlockCoin 🔥 on: December 21, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
Maybe they are partner with ethconnect.com  and rum. Never open
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Genesis-mining.com || World's leading hashpower provider! on: December 21, 2017, 08:01:42 PM
Are they scam and runaway yet?
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 21, 2017, 07:53:40 PM
Might never open because scam
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 21, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
They are testiing lending now
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Westerncoin ICO - Overview on: December 21, 2017, 07:50:46 PM
Westerncoin is fake price, and I dont even see the daily interest rate on it
134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2017, 07:50:09 PM
Buy at 15k and 14k. 13k add 50%
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] HomeBlockCoin 🔥 on: December 21, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
Its only .5 BTC to list on Coinmarketcap

Cryptopia is 4 btc but is a real exchange that provides liquuity
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 21, 2017, 10:17:44 AM
Ethconnect did'nt scam away yet?
137  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order on: December 18, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
I'm sure the price has gone up alot since last month  when btc price was  $6500
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 18, 2017, 11:48:45 AM
And turn on 2FA
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 18, 2017, 12:19:37 AM
This is why u got out of Westerncoin. Because they had the chance to buy q Westerncoin.com  for a measly $5000 and they didn't do it.  They are opening a multi million dollar ICO  and can't spend 5k for a premium name.   Smh
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] HomeBlockCoin 🔥 on: December 17, 2017, 08:32:51 PM
HBC devs are still  learning to program
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