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1701  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 07:23:34 PM
I am disappointed by the pandas, at the critical moment they flinched. Angry
1702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 04:09:00 PM
The order book on HooBoy is massively bearish in direct contrast to BFX and Stamp. It is a significant Xfer of coins from East back to West. This is a very good long term development even though it might kill our rally for a day or twelve month or two. 

FTFY Wink
1703  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 02:52:24 PM
Fucking ShroomsKit spreading fear and panic and causing the traders to dump.

LOL. He is barking at the wrong tree (Bitstamp), when he should be looking at China.
1704  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
The decisive battle is fought in China, and I have no more bearish news to post... Angry
1705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 11:44:45 AM
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/banking-elite-meet-washington-discuss-bitcoin-threat/
1706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2014, 11:27:02 AM
The market has arrived at a "high noon", will the bulls have the strength to break resistance?
1707  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2014, 08:51:16 PM

Market doesnt seem to care. I hate dealing with time zone differences but I think this is like 4 hours old?

Well, this could mean that bitcoin price is still very far from (much above) an efficient market value (like in 2012).
1708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2014, 08:43:39 PM
Oh shit...
http://www.coindesk.com/european-prosecutors-launch-project-combat-online-dark-markets/
1709  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2014, 08:58:43 AM
It's time to test those bid walls.

I´m pretty impressed that so far no one has sold a few into it.

It took a bit longer than I expected, and I had to go to sleep.
Even if this is part of a new uptrend (which is still debatable), corrections still must happen.
1710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
It's time to test those bid walls.
1711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
Or it could be the bear-whale who has more coins to sell and is herding the bulls with his flashy bid wall.
1712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2014, 05:28:49 PM
Anyone wants to call how high we go before dump?  My guess: 363

Since Bistamp is following OKcoin and they just dumped a bit...
1713  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2014, 05:45:14 PM
https://www.tradingview.com/v/uWy5zTmF/
1714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2014, 01:45:33 PM
Market hasn't been so overbought for 3 months, so there's not much room left.
1715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Poll: Bitcoin price by end of 2014? on: October 09, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
The market has established strong resistance at 680$, and it will take a long time to break that.
Yet 48% of the voters believe it's possible by the end of 2014. Rampant delusion as usual.
1716  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: October 09, 2014, 10:01:09 AM
Considering that the drop came from the 480$ level, even if this is just a dead cat bounce, it could have reached 380$ or a bit higher.
1717  Economy / Speculation / Re: I call ... on: October 09, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
I call the bear whale to dump into the Bitstamp flashing bid wall.
1718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: October 08, 2014, 05:51:10 PM
Bulls are spending a lot of ammo now, they may run out too soon.
Bears are doing the same. Finex shorts are rising again, selling pressure is somewhat strong, but they may run out of ammo as well, especially with increasing bids.
This consolidation is notorious IMO.

It's much easier to send coins than fiat to the exchanges, as proven by the 30k whale.
How do you see short status on BFX? Bfxdata is stuck on the 5th October...
1719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: October 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
It's not possible to say now if this is just a dead cat bounce or part of a new uptrend, IMO in about 10 - 15 days
the market will decide on a clear direction. Bulls are spending a lot of ammo now, they may run out too soon.
1720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2014, 02:22:20 PM
What I meant is that people who were buying thought that yesterday was a clear sign of reversal, others thought that the 30K wall was a clear attempt of manipulation to buy "cheap" so they bought back fast, others thought it was the last sign before the Cho Cho...

What people seem to ignore or don't understand is that once we reach the bottom, no one will miss buying "cheap", because we will be trading at that level for several weeks before going up.

And you reach that conclusion based on what exactly?


We don't have much precedents to work with, as Bitcoin trading history is only ~4 years old. During that time, 3 major rally/capitulation cycles took place, and we're still in the capitulation part of the of the 3rd one. (There are other ways to parse the  trading history, but this one's fairly well accepted.)

I'm mentioning this because any extrapolation from so little data points is of course dubious. Then again, it's the best we have.  

So, what do the two completed capitulations look like that we've seen so far:

2013:
bottom 1 = ~$50, the initial post-ATH crash.
bottom 2 = ~$65, about 3 months later.

In between: extreme volatility. Nothing like a flat bottom that allowed you scoop up "cheap coins" at will. Also, 2nd bottom already 30% higher than the first.


2011:
bottom 1 = ~$2, at the end of the almost straight down, multi month correction
bottom 2 = ~$2, about 1 month after the first.

Maybe that's where you get the idea from that you could scoop up cheap coins for weeks before it goes up again. The only problem - even in the 2011 double bottom, there was extreme volatility in between. Price went from $2 to almost $4 (i.e. +100%), before coming down again.


tl;dr There's not much data to work with, given the short trading history of Bitcoin, but from what we have seen so far, a flat capitulation bottom, stretched out over weeks, doesn't seem likely.

After a harsh corrective wave A, the bear market of April - July 2013 traded in a relatively narrow range, not with extreme volatility.

It doesn't have to be flat to trade below major resistance levels, and could take 4 - 5 months, not weeks, to break the 680$.
And that's in the bullish scenario, where we already hit THE bottom. In the bearish one it's going to be scary even for bottom fishers.
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