Maybe, Panama Papers seem relevant here, if you are relying on a third party to not disclose information then you may not be safe from future leaks of whatever source. Some of the Panama Papers cases involve divorce settlements, business partners, etc., for example, and nobody really believes that divorce lawyers have the NSA working for them. They too have the info now too, regardless. Same could be said for nosy neighbors.

If you aren't very good at security, maybe you can't even trust yourself not to accidentally disclose in the future, but at least with Monero you can personally retire the wallet, securely delete the keys and not have to worry about that.

No one can answer that for you. If it were a pump and dump scam, the scammers and brainwashed dupes would tell you otherwise.

Learn about the project and come to your own conclusion. Specific questions are welcome of course.

Putting it in play was the goal. It will pass when there is some catalyst to pass it, just like the Patriot Act.

Unfortunately not at this time. It does compile and run I think, but memory requirements are still too high. We hope to address that in the near future but for the moment only 64 bit will work.

There is only one address.

The payment Id is used by the recipient to identify you. For example, when you send to an exchange, everyone uses the same address to send to the exchange, but the payment ID lets the exchange know which account should be credited. This is somewhat different from a Bitcoin-style coin where account holders on an exchange get different addresses.

You do not need a payment ID except when sending to an exchange or other merchant who gives you one to use. However, if they do give you one, it is very important to use it.

Please review #1-7:


Those are all factual. The reader can draw his or her own conclusion from these objective facts.

That does jive with the fact that the edits to the Dash OP in terms of how to characterize the launch are relatively recent and the "Official Communication" document is from three months ago.

The people running the Dash project damn well know that investors and other market participants do care about this stuff, or they wouldn't still be trying to spin it in 2016.

Calling it old news and pre-historic is a nice attempt to brush aside the issues, but the actions of your own project betray you.


Unfortunately many of those detailed articles, when put out by Dash and/or Dash supporters, end up being grossly inaccurate and deceptive, and therefore represent an ongoing attempt to mislead and scam investors, as I documented above.

C++ has declined more rapidly than C. It seems there is perhaps no use for which it is fit!


You can also consider not revealing your entire plan and still crowdfunding.


Okay I thought you meant programming language properties specifically. In terms of the overall platform, no.

You are incorrect. Every single statement I made is factual and objective.

Anything conjectural about it, you are basing on your own interpretation of what I wrote.

With respect to #7 specifically, it is false to state that the Litecoin difficulty adjustment was responsible for the production of extra coins, because that was responsible only for a small portion of the extra coins. The vast majority of the coins came from block rewards that were stuck at the maximum value due to another bug, one that was not related to Litecoin, and which would have happened regardless of the rate of difficulty adjustments.

The Official Communication also states that Evan made a patch to the code to fix the difficulty adjustment within a few hours of launch. I can find no evidence of such a patch implementing any such hard fork prior to the one that ended the instamine after day two. Unless I'm mistaken, this is another factually incorrect statement.

On this I agree. That is, at a time long after it was designed, for purposes very different from those for which it was designed, it became the best (i.e. least bad; nothing better) available alternative.


On this I tend to disagree. Witness JavaScript.

It is very difficult, if not impossible, to centrally plan what the marketplace will, in its organic and evolutionary wisdom of how to weigh between conflicting factors, consider "ideal" at any particular point in time, particularly a point in time distant from the period of initial design (which is still very much happening today; again consider Javascript, or Python, or Ruby -- these are all "old" languages that gained their recent popularity long after their design).


This is chronologically and strategically wrong in a lot of ways, but that is off topic so I'll not elaborate now.


Heh, JavaScript.

It does seem more likely for the time being that the sort of dominance that was achieved by C and Java in their respective peaks won't be repeated any time soon. We'll probably continue to see more fragmentation of multiple languages being used, continuing until there is a paradigm shift that brings significant productivity gains without high costs. Examples of this were C's low-cost of adding abstraction over asm or Java's low-cost of adding runtime safety (and the OOP fad) over C (or C++, especially in its earlier forms without smart pointers).

I don't see that anywhere today. There are identifiable advantages to be had over the current market frontier leaders, but they all come with high costs.

Both quit.

I would suggest that you work it out with fluffypony either via email or on freenode IRC.

Where is the "false narrative"? These are all objective factual statements:


If there is any "false narrative" here, it is the claims like "fairly and transparently launched" which are being made by Dash.

BTW, "a lot of coins were mined in the first 48 hours" is misleading spin. A lot of coins were mined within one one hour of the early launch, and then in the first 6-8 hours. The rest of the 48 hours was just icing on the cake.

C was most certainly not designed as a language for all sorts of business applications, Windows desktop applications (of course such a thing did not exist at the time it was designed, but conceptually it was not intended for that), etc. as was most of its usage when it became the most popular language.


Has never really been widely used for anything (at least not yet) so irrelevant to my point.


And yet it is widely used for this (and growing rapidly for all sorts of uses), supporting my point.


Good counterexample.


Somewhat. It was designed for write-once run everywhere on the web (originally interactive TV and maybe PDAs since the web didn't quite exist yet, but the same principle). None of the business software use case where it became dominant was remotely part of the original purpose (nor do these business software deployments commonly even make use of code that is portable and "runs everywhere").


C# is not dead, it is still quite popular for Windows development (and some cross-platform development). But as you say it was designed to copy Java after Java was already successful so in that sense it is a counterexample, but a "cheat" (if you copy something that has already organically found a strong niche, chances are your copy will serve a similar niche).


Sometimes, but often not. It is of course relevant, it just doesn't mean that what it will end up being used for (if anything) is the same as what it was designed to be used for.

Further examples:

Python: designed for scripting, but is now the most used (I think) language for scientific and math computing (replacing fortran). Of course it is used for other things too, but most are also far removed from scripting.

BASIC: Designed for teaching, but became widely used for business software on minicomputers, and then very widely used for all sorts of things on PC.

COBOL and FORTRAN: counterexamples; used as designed.

Perl: had a bit of a golden age beyond its scripting purpose, but mostly seems a counterexample, often used as intended

Ruby: Not really sure about this one. Seems to be getting used for quite a few things now, mostly web development of course, but some others. This one is mostly off my radar so I don't really know the history.

That's incorrect, all of the posts I quoted above were after the relaunch.


Immediately after that Evan posts about an emergency update. I thought it was related but maybe not. I'm not really sure.


This one:


(That particular error seems to have been the posters fault, not Evan's)

That often does not matter.

Java was designed to display games and animated advertisements on web pages. It hardly ever did that and instead became the dominant language for enterprise software, a huge pivot.

Such attempts at central planning rarely succeed. (Most languages designed to be ____ end up being used for nothing at all, of course.)

Build something interesting and let it free to find its place.


Nothing wrong with that, but most people just reference named releases.