The pools mentioned are all shitpools. If you take steep emission curve into consideration, the pool that definitely pays the most is the pool with the highest hash rate - monero.crypto-pool.fr Nonsense. The best pool is the one with the lowest latency to your miners, lowest pool orphan rate, best reliability, reasonably-frequent but not too-frequent payouts (no more than once per day; less is probably better), and lowest fees. That won't be the same for everyone.
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hitbtc is now using integrated address for Monero, pretty cool.
Nice! Props to them for implementing that. It is a great usability and privacy feature.
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i cant tell when the whale will leave this coin dry tho
Doesnt that mean you should shut your mouth up then.... sir? yeah riiigthhhht and let those fake overhyped cup and handle hyping lies btw the thread is alll bout Speculation, so why u want me to shut my mouth up because im bearish ? OMG, so sad... maybe this thread should be renamed to MONERO SHILLING There was nothing wrong with your post. Bearish opinions are welcome. Some evidence or reasons to back up your claims would be better though.
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abandoned ?
No. Working fine, so no bug fixes required since the last one. If more fixes are required, they will be provided. Future development plans are under consideration. As I stated (maybe it was the Speculation thread?), I will make an announcement in approximately two weeks. Does it requires lots of RAM like Monero in the beginning? If yes I would consider it a bug. It's not nearly as bad because of the 4 minute block time compared to 1 min for most of monero's life, and much lighter usage meaning much less txs so smaller blocks. It will need db implementation someday, but today is not that day (maybe 2 GB RAM usage or so atm). Is that with the bcmreduce build? I think bcmreduce produced several builds. To minimize memory usage (as much as possible at the moment at least), you want the pruning branch.
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abandoned ?
No. Working fine, so no bug fixes required since the last one. If more fixes are required, they will be provided. Future development plans are under consideration. As I stated (maybe it was the Speculation thread?), I will make an announcement in approximately two weeks.
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He was suggesting a fork that would block some or all transactions unless they have ID attached, a form of whitelisting. It is the method of 51% attacking the coin to hold it hostage to demand design changes. It might work, but waiting out the attacker is another option. The more of a backlog of fee-paying transactions develop that the attacker won't process, the more incentive there is for other miners to join.
IC, thx for clarifying that for me. smooth thank you for the honest re-summary of my statement. smooth actually including the viewkey, not necessary an ID. smooth I am thinking of 10X hashrate attack as well, not just a 51% attack, which I had explained in the other thread is much more brutal on the other miners. In either case, the attacker can change the protocol to award his miners the fees from "incorrect transactions", while refusing to process the other outputs. So sorry your logic is refuted. The payer's input becomes spent/confiscated and the Cryptonote rings can do nothing to stop this. Miners, including attacking miners, can not 'change the protocol'. They can hold the chain hostage by blocking transactions which may work as a sort of leverage to push through protocol changes, but that depends a lot on the wider context.
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Well from what I've been able to gather the flaw is built into the "Gas", IOW the ETH language for the contracts is inherently flawed so it matters not if it's DAO or some other contract there will be a (multiple?) flaw/s inherited. Is this a correct assumption?
Yes and no, but mostly no (imo). A lot of the complexity in the design of Ethereum and in the correct coding of contracts comes as a consequences of the requirement to abruptly terminate execution when gas runs out. But aside from being complex and perhaps a bad design or even a bad idea from the very beginning, there are no flaws of which I'm aware in how the gas mechanism works. It working as designed. Whether that constitutes 'inherently flawed' is a matter of opinion.
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Only systems that are structurally incompatible with fraud don't suffer from the overhang of potential fraud. This is indeed true. Unfortunately Monero has periodic forks and thus its mining is not structurally incompatible with protocol fucked by the consensus or even a very powerful hashrate adversary. So to argue that ring sigs are structurally incompatible with blacklisting is not absolutely true, for as long as mining could change the protocol and force every txn to reveal its viewkey. First of all I thought that the forks were only during beta and second how can you identify someones coins to blacklist them on a fork if they don't share them with you? And arguing that anything is not what it's intended to be because it can be hardforked is really a logic fail. That is like saying gravity is not reliable because one day the world will spiral into the sun. He was suggesting a fork that would block some or all transactions unless they have ID attached, a form of whitelisting. It is the method of 51% attacking the coin to hold it hostage to demand design changes. It might work, but waiting out the attacker is another option. The more of a backlog of fee-paying transactions develop that the attacker won't process, the more incentive there is for other miners to join.
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Nothing has changed! We have not defeated fiat. We have not defeated the same banksters bastards who are always enslaving us.
There is little reason to believe that simply changing the medium of exchange and little else will have some radical effect on behavior, whether positive or negative.
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I had several thousand Monero from the early day in 2014. I did not touch them since after 2 years, there is not much applications of Monero. Somewhat off topic, but you are indeed using one of the applications of Monero: Secure and private store of value.
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The majority of the miners think there is a hack are colluding to attack the network and blacklist transactions.
i.e. There is now a DAO hack in progress
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How long would this hardware last me?
The GPUs will probably last a long time and still have value, as in many years. If there is no profitable GPU mining to do (XMR or otherwise), you can sell them off on eBay to people building or upgrading PCs still recoup some value even years later. I had some GPU miners running on and off for 3 years and when I sold some, I still got back most of what I had paid for them (low promotional prices with rebates and such for the most part). I got lucky and had no fan failures (or other failures) over a few dozen GPUs but others have had worse experience, so you may need to factor in some budget for replacing fans and failed cards. I think it is kind of hit or miss on the quality you get when you buy them. If you are buying hundreds of GPUs the economics may be somewhat different. It may still be more profitable to mine ETH (or something else?) and trade it for XMR. I haven't looked at the numbers recently.
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and the hashrate has been increasing as more people get interested http://chainradar.com/xmr/chartedited to add: the good thing about monero and being a monero miner, is that the tail emission means mining will always be rewarded, regardless of transaction fees. Interesting to see the hash rate finally rising after stagnating for months as the Monero price climbed. I guess the latest rise in BTC price finally pushed the profitability to the point where people pay attention.
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Curiosity: Mining with my laptop, for months I had typically (8-12)+8 connections. Recently it's 180+8. Why is this?
Use print_cn and see if there are a lot of connections in some stuck state. Or alternately, just restart it.
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How nice everyone is friends now. No need to worry about baseless accusations or name calling.
As if the Monero community never called me derogatory names and made baseless accusations against my reputation. It didn't. Individuals may have.
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You don't need the Monero community's permission to experiment. Just ignore them. That's my 2c anyway. You're certainly entitled to present your view as is anyone of course. Smooth I wasn't going around telling people to not buy Monero. I was trying to remain impartial to a great extent and let the altcoin experiments proliferate, so hopefully from that will come something better than the status quo. My problem is when Monero people trying to tell everyone that everything else is a scam and shitcoin. I am fighting the lack of respect that Monero's community has for the importance of experimentation. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have no qualms with pointing out specific flaws in for example ICOs, proof-of-work, etc.. But to harp on "we are the only shit" (even going outside your official threads to enforce that "only us" doctrine), is extremely deleterious to our cause. I will quote myself again, since it ended up on the bottom of the prior page of this thread: Remember the title of this thread. I am not buying Monero, then telling everyone it is the only altcoin that is worth investing in (and that Zcash is inferior in every way), trying to dump my bagholding on others. Nor am I even selling any tokens nor investing in any tokens yet. I stated very clearly upthread, that my reason for posting in this thread is because of r0ach's behavior, not because of Monero per se. But then it became a Monero community issue because of the way your community interacts in this thread. Note I edited my prior post to make my technical rebuttal more logically coherent. Re: The Monero Gang : G T F O
The Monero Gang is a dangerous team of criminals ready to destroy your altcoin picks and turn you into a Monero believer by the force. The Monero Gang: You will be assimilated, resistance is futile. Buy Monero or die like the rest. Coming to theaters in 2017.
So I guess I am done in this thread, barring any unforseen attacks against me.
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White paper or it didn't happen.
Irony much? Remember the title of this thread. I am not buying Monero, then telling everyone it is the only altcoin that is worth investing in (and that Zcash is inferior in every way), trying to dump my bagholding on others. Nor am I even selling any tokens nor investing in any tokens yet. I stated very clearly upthread, that my reason for posting in this thread is because of r0ach's behavior, not because of Monero per se. But then it became a Monero community issue because of the way your community interacts. Note I edited my prior post to make my technical rebuttal more logically coherent. Okay, if you are pushing back against r0ach shilling, you'll get no argument from me. He is entitled to his opinion though. Though, I don't think you've made a particularly good case why someone might not want to buy Monero now. Arguments about boogeyman attacks by the Chinese State or someone with 100x the hash rate, are likely not too persuasive. If that's the best you can come up with, it kind of implies that the Monero is pretty secure against the issues people are more likely to be actually concerned about.
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And Monero is not secure at the current hashrate against a sufficiently capable attacker such as the the Chinese State You're right we don't have e nuclear deterrence force either. Maybe someday we can create a DAO that contracts for one though. White paper or it didn't happen.
Irony much?
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Arguing that any significant number of miners will indefinitely mine at 0 income is disingenuous. It isn't only not disingenuous, it is based on real world empirical observation, which always trumps theories. For example, when Monero did our planned hardfork to upgrade to v2 blocks, there significant hashrate that didn't upgrade and continued mining worthless blocks for days if not weeks. AEON's planned hard fork was similar (though with less advance notice and perhaps less well-publicized). I didn't really pay attention to when the v1 fork stopped growing on either coin (or has it ever?). This was not a spontaneous attack catching-unaware miners by surprise either, it was an upgrade that was announced and well-publicized for weeks to months. Since you have now downgraded (or one might say upgraded, in terms of plausibility) to 10x attacks, that only requires 20 minutes to start to produce blocks at the pre-attack hashrate. IF 90% of the hash rate abandons mining, then it would still only take 200 minutes. Either way there will still be high-fee transactions stacked to mine, blocks being produced with larger block sizes, and the hash rate will start to drop. On the topic of the tail reward, the eventual reward is about 1/20 of the current reward. So at 20x the current price you would expect a similar hash rate. That only brings us to about 600 million market USD market cap (factoring in increased supply). At 1 billion USD or more the hash rate would be higher. The difference between the 51% attack and the 10X burst attack is not that the total hashrate expended by the attacker is less, but that it is 10X less income for the other miners. This is wrong. In a 51% attack other miners get no income since their blocks are rejected. What ever you do to adjust the algorithm to compensate in one way, will open a vulnerability in another way. No. Note that I didn't say attacks could be completely prevented. I said resistance could be improved.
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smooth already explained why, in terms of hashrate and tx fees, More Is Different when it comes to a 1000X botnet attack on a billion dollar proof of work ecosystem vs our current $10 mi one. Excuse me. The discussion was about what Monero is now (a <$10m mcap), not your projections of what you hope it will become. Um, its actually >$20 mil as I write this. Not sure where anyone is getting <$10 mil.
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