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1321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 11:47:57 AM
(crosspost on steemit ANN thread)

i have a question...

i know someone who already have a blog..she wanted to make a copy of her blog from wordpress to steemit, but she said there is a plagiarism checker there, she might be labeled as a plagiarist..is there a workaround/solution to this?

because she doesn't want to delete her wordpress, she just want to try steemit.

i don't think there is a plagiarism checker i see lot of copied content from other sites there.

here an example..

Well read it. It just identifies sources, nothing more. If the bot report turns out to be a false positive then the report can be downvoted and hidden.
1322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 05:45:16 AM
Am I right? Blogposters earn their rewards in Steamdollar? And they need to wait 2 years to cash them out?

No. 1/2 Steem Dollars which are immediately tradeable and 1/2 in Steem Power which can only be cashed out gradually over 2 years (average holding time of one year). Steem Power gives voting influence on the site while you are holding it.


Steempower is the same token which is traded at the exchanges and the equivalent of the 300m+ marketcap right?

Steem Power is locked Steem, which in turn is the traded token. When you power down Steem Power, you get 1/104 of the amount in Steem tokens per week. Steem Dollars also trade on Poloniex and Bittrex, and SD/SP can trade against each other on the internal exchange.



1323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 05:40:52 AM
Am I right? Blogposters earn their rewards in Steamdollar? And they need to wait 2 years to cash them out?

No. 1/2 Steem Dollars which are immediately tradeable and 1/2 in Steem Power which can only be cashed out gradually over 2 years (average holding time of one year). Steem Power gives voting influence on the site while you are holding it.
1324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Smooth a Hypocrite ? on: July 23, 2016, 05:05:59 AM
AFAIK the 400,000+ Aeon development fund has not made any payments to smooth despite all the work he has put in.

Correct. The only payments were for bounties for mining software (not to me).

balance: 458951.354894133816, unlocked balance: 458951.354894133816
1325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 02:36:02 AM
Who knows maybe there is a way to make adoption grow very fast even without the lie of instant $5000 payouts for blogging.

It's not a lie when people are actually making that much. Didn't you make $3K or something?

The aspect of it that does border on deceptive to me is combining all the rewards into a single number when no one gets that much and even the author's portion is split between SP/SD. Personally I'd just display the author's SD portion and state that you get a matching amount in SP (and that voters also get a smaller reward). I suggested something like this earlier but it was rejected in favor of the sexier big numbers. My approach would show lower numbers on the web site but they would still be pretty high (there is one post on track to get $40K now; if it showed $15K instead that would still be a "wow" number).

1326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 02:14:01 AM

FIFY
1327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 01:55:44 AM
I recently read that Steem's JavaScript wallet system stores the hash of a user's password on the blockchain. This would essentially reduce security to the level of brain wallets. Doesn't this open the possibility of brute force attacks to compromise many of those wallets? All it would take is cheap cracking software and some hundreds of low-hanging fruit wallets with weak passwords.

Recently it was changed to generate exclusively high entropy passwords.






Building on that--what are the plans for further security upgrades? I read a bit on the witness security, but it's been a few days and can't remember the details....

I don't know the witness security thing but the main direction on security seems to be account recovery. This approach accepts that keys will be compromised but makes it less costly. Already there is a system where a compromised account can be returned to its original owner. Next up will be time locked access controls so if an account is compromised, limits apply to the amount of funds that can be removed from the account before it is recovered (this already applied to Steem Power and will be added to the other asset times). The final form of recovery that is planned is being able to designate a group of friends and family (essentially a form of multisig) who can approve recovery from lost keys (including death of the owner without leaving access to the keys to anyone).

Is there a write-up of those features?

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dan/does-blockchain-security-need-to-be-completely-reworked
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dan/steemit-releases-groundbreaking-account-recovery-solution

Permission to quote you?/

Sure
1328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 01:41:05 AM
I recently read that Steem's JavaScript wallet system stores the hash of a user's password on the blockchain. This would essentially reduce security to the level of brain wallets. Doesn't this open the possibility of brute force attacks to compromise many of those wallets? All it would take is cheap cracking software and some hundreds of low-hanging fruit wallets with weak passwords.

Recently it was changed to generate exclusively high entropy passwords.






Building on that--what are the plans for further security upgrades? I read a bit on the witness security, but it's been a few days and can't remember the details....

I don't know the witness security thing but the main direction on security seems to be account recovery. This approach accepts that keys will be compromised but makes it less costly. Already there is a system where a compromised account can be returned to its original owner. Next up will be time locked access controls so if an account is compromised, limits apply to the amount of funds that can be removed from the account before it is recovered (this already applied to Steem Power and will be added to the other asset times). The final form of recovery that is planned is being able to designate a group of friends and family (essentially a form of multisig) who can approve recovery from lost keys (including death of the owner without leaving access to the keys to anyone).

Is there a write-up of those features?

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dan/does-blockchain-security-need-to-be-completely-reworked
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dan/steemit-releases-groundbreaking-account-recovery-solution
1329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 01:26:38 AM
I recently read that Steem's JavaScript wallet system stores the hash of a user's password on the blockchain. This would essentially reduce security to the level of brain wallets. Doesn't this open the possibility of brute force attacks to compromise many of those wallets? All it would take is cheap cracking software and some hundreds of low-hanging fruit wallets with weak passwords.

Recently it was changed to generate exclusively high entropy passwords.




Building on that--what are the plans for further security upgrades? I read a bit on the witness security, but it's been a few days and can't remember the details....

I don't know the witness security thing but the main direction on security seems to be account recovery. This approach accepts that keys will be compromised but makes it less costly. Already there is a system where a compromised account can be returned to its original owner. Next up will be time locked access controls so if an account is compromised, limits apply to the amount of funds that can be removed from the account before it is recovered (this already applies to Steem Power and will be added to the other asset times). The final form of recovery that is planned is being able to designate a group of friends and family (essentially a form of multisig) who can approve recovery from lost keys (including death of the owner without leaving access to the keys to anyone).

1330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 01:02:55 AM
I recently read that Steem's JavaScript wallet system stores the hash of a user's password on the blockchain. This would essentially reduce security to the level of brain wallets. Doesn't this open the possibility of brute force attacks to compromise many of those wallets? All it would take is cheap cracking software and some hundreds of low-hanging fruit wallets with weak passwords.

Recently it was changed to generate exclusively high entropy passwords.


1331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: July 23, 2016, 12:59:54 AM
You know what's funny is that they tell you to power up but they are powering down all 3 accounts and cashing out $2 Millions every week.

I don't know what the founders are doing with their personal accounts but the steemit account (by far the largest) sometimes powers down and sometimes doesn't. No one is "cashing out $2 million every week".

They do this to create liquid steem that is used to fund new accounts (2/3) and is sold to fund development (1/3). So far on the latter this is their only source of funding (there was a small angel round a while back but I'm sure that is long since exhausted).

When available liquid steem is sufficient they turn off the power down  (which makes sense to preserve wealth). It has been switched on and off a few times now.

My guess is that with the high level of exposure and high demand for new accounts, the need for liquid steem is high and power down will stay enabled, but I haven't seen the numbers so this is just a guess.

1332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: July 23, 2016, 12:57:35 AM
2. This high interest rate will only last for 9 months... so might as well take advantage of it

What makes you think that? I don't think that is correct. The Steem Power compounding is perpetual.

I read form a post by dan himself if I remember correctly... I think the interest rate changes 

I am bit confused about this. There is one form of compounding that comes from the perpetual creation of 9X Steem Power for every 1 Steem that is minted. Those 9X SP are distributed proportionally to all SP holders. So your SP holdings are always increasing. I don't think it ever ceases nor changes.

Is there also another form of interest paid on SP?

The 9-1 ratio between SP and Steem never changes. I'm pretty sure what he means by the "high interest rate" is the numerical reduction in the rate of effective interest as the supply increases.

Example starting with a supply of one coin:

Add first coin (interest/inflation is 100%)
Add second coin (interest/inflation is 50%)
Add fourth coin (interest/inflation is 33 1/3%)
etc.
1333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 23, 2016, 12:36:05 AM
Whales will become totally irrelevant when the user base and posting volume increases by 10x or 100x or even 1000x. There just aren't that many whales and whales have the same voting power restrictions as anyone else. A rare whale sighting will be a big deal.

You presume all whales are benevolent. Stake will eventually end up in a power-law distribution, because perpetual 100% debasement is not sustainable (even the transactions fees of the entire earth could not support it).

Also it is incorrect to say they play by the same rules. 3 x 3 = 9 is not 1/2 of 6 x 6 = 36.

Any way, I have proposed a partial solution.

By voting power I was referring to the declining weight according to frequency of votes placed. Just like anyone else, whales can only make about 40 votes per day without depleting their voting power. So with millions of posts and comments and a handful of whales making at most 40 votes per day each, do the math.

Seems there'll* be a fix for that:

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dana-edwards/attention-based-stigmergic-distributed-collaborative-organizations#@alexgr/re-dana-edwards-re-pino-re-dana-edwards-attention-based-stigmergic-distributed-collaborative-organizations-20160722t201600593z

* (already is, but not in the UI)

Yes you can voluntarily reduce your power per vote (I do this occasionally in the CLI) but then you are effectively transformed into a to a group of smaller stakeholders (using 1/10 the vote power as your base vote weight, you can vote as if you were 10 stakeholders each at 1/10 size).
1334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 08:18:13 PM
To me everything points to the former, closing registration + extending payout time in a last ditch effort to retain value of the hyper-inflated currency...

Registration is open.

Furthermore closing registration is pretty much the very last thing a Ponzi scheme would ever want to do.
1335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 08:08:57 PM
If the issue is the eventual distribution then the current whales and their stakes don't really matter. Either stake-weighed systems work, or they don't.

...

We need a smarter algorithm which can measure like-mindedness so that we can relevant ranking results, not stake game theory wars against the power-law distribution.

I'm not convinced much changes if you divide into N like-minded segments. More relevant ranking results, yes. But still stake-weighting means that the few will have the bulk of the influence.
1336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 08:00:20 PM
So with a post with less than say 1000+ votes, you should be able to double or more its ranking.

Ah, but look, already with the relatively tiny user base the top posts have 500-700 votes. Multiply the user base by 100 and they will have not 500 votes by 50000 votes.

Will number of users voting increase faster than number of blog posts? I think it should be the reverse, if people post more than one blog simultaneously (which I assume they eventually will do).

The number of people voting will probably increase much more than the number of blog posts in the short term, because the site is currently dominated by active bloggers. Longer term it will probably converge where they increase at a comparable rate.

Increasing the number of users dilutes their share of the debasement. It is a zero-sum. Bottom line is the whales must be diluted, but the problem is the power-law distribution will dominate because you can't 100% annual debasement forever.

If the issue is the eventual distribution then the current whales and their stakes don't really matter. Either stake-weighed systems work, or they don't (and maybe they don't, but we don't know that).

Honestly I really think crypto nerds are highly obsessed with the whole issue of flattening the rewards and influence and whales and such. Users sign up, post, have fun, vote, get a few bucks, stare in awe at what the stars are getting, and they're basically going to be happy with it. So far that bears out.

It isn't really going to be a site to make a steady living for non-stars. Just like how Instagram has a few stars who essentially make their living on it, even if not paid directly, but most users don't. It provides infotainment (like other social web sites) and some rewards to keep it a bit more interesting (unlike other social web sites). And even the small rewards distribute at least starter amounts cryptocurrency which people can use. Potentially orders of magnitude more than have ever seen it before. Should be interesting.

1337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
So with a post with less than say 1000+ votes, you should be able to double or more its ranking.

Ah, but look, already with the relatively tiny user base the top posts have 500-700 votes. Multiply the user base by 100 and they will have not 500 votes by 50000 votes.

Will number of users voting increase faster than number of blog posts? I think it should be the reverse, if people post more than one blog simultaneously (which I assume they eventually will do).

The number of people voting will probably increase much more than the number of blog posts in the short term, because the site is currently dominated by active bloggers. Longer term it will probably converge where they increase at a comparable rate.
1338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Steemit.com: Blogging is the new Mining on: July 22, 2016, 07:54:33 PM
I'm new to this but still I cannot make both ends meet with this kind of technology.

For example; Picking one article up (https://steemit.com/piston/@xeroc/piston-web-first-open-source-steem-gui---searching-for-alpha-testers) may I know what are this "Pending Payout $ 21,362.86" mentioned below the article imply?

Also how is this technology supposed to liquidate its assets in future?

That is total reward that is scheduled to be paid (assuming votes aren't changed, the market value doesn't change, other posts don't pull more or less from the reward pool, etc.) to both the author of the post as well as voters on the post. Most of it goes to the author.

I don't understand the question about liquidating assets.


well, probability for high amount of reward ... on the cryptoworld isn't so usually...
same rewards also for mining ?  Roll Eyes

No, rewards for posting are a lot higher than for mining.
1339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 07:50:20 PM
When there are 100x as many users voting on posts, the influence of whales will decline by at least 10x.

Smooth what happened to your math skills  Huh

If you have a million SP, then it requires 100,000 free signup users (10 SP each) to match your voting power.

Of course, but active users don't stay entry level for long. Look at the above charts. There are 1700 people with 1 MV (= 230 SP) and 500 with 10x that.

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So with a post with less than say 1000+ votes, you should be able to double or more its ranking.

Ah, but look, already with the relatively tiny user base the top posts have 500-700 votes. Multiply the user base by 100 and they will have not 500 votes by 50000 votes.
1340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 07:38:12 PM
If I vote on something new, it gets maybe to the 5th or 6th page of trending. Multiply the volume on the site by 10x and that becomes the 50th page. The really highly ranked posts will have many votes from non-whales, just a they do now, but by an even greater degree.

Volume doesn't matter, as the content is organized by the SP power behind the up votes. 10x the volume does not mean your up vote will go 10x pages down, as you have way more SP than most.

Volume does matter, because there are only a small number of whales and they can only vote a limited number of times. When there are more users, there votes will count proportionally more. There is no quadratic weighting by user, only by post. When there are 100x as many users voting on posts, the influence of whales will decline by at least 10x.

Mark my words, as the site grows "whale sightings" will become rare. Watch it happen. I already notice the change taking place.

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after omitting the Steemit account considering it doesn't vote.

Remember the steemit account is explicitly being distributed to entry level users and to buyers (who mostly won't be whales).
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