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3381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [SPR] Spreadcoin Speculation on: January 11, 2016, 07:44:49 AM
What would you say gives DASH it's value (you've been around it for a while and may have a better idea than I do)? If it was purely valued based on the cash flows produced by a master node, then it might be safe to assume SPR would be valued based on the cash flows SN's produce as well.

Perhaps it's not a fair comparison, idk. I suppose time will tell  Grin Grin

The value of Dash derives purely from speculation. Yes the masternodes produce income but it is essentially all in the form of new coins paid for locking your coins into a masternode (i.e. staking interest). The income is not from revenue paid to provide a service, it is just redistributing coins within the system.

If you have something that provides a service people actually want and pay for, the valuation model would be completely different.


3382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which crypto-coins are "investment securities"? Implications? on: January 11, 2016, 03:26:38 AM
In terms of legalities, I would consider it illegal if you were selling an ICO and then promptly dumping all ICO coins, releasing firmware with wallet stealing virus's.

Selling ICO coins in "presale" where the code isn't fully developed and the ICO funds are allegedly going to be used to pay for development, and where the buyers reasonably expect to make a profit on the ICO once the coin launches (assuming all goes well), is very clearly going to fall within the scope of securities law. Anyone who denies this is delusional.

Dumping or not dumping is completely irrelevant.

As you get farther away from this pattern, the conclusions may (or may not) differ, but the fact that some very high profile projects have done this and gotten away with it (so far) does not change that as a starting point it falls squarely within the scope of securities law.
3383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I'm Tech-Impaired But in Charge of Spearheading Development of an Altcoin on: January 11, 2016, 03:06:36 AM
I was responding specifically to the OP's statement here about giving away 100% of the coins. If you don't give away the coins but instead sell them (or do anything else like pretend to give them away while actually keeping them or giving them to privileged affiliated parties) you are likely taking a bigger risk.

And thus my point was that it can't proven that you gave away 100% and thus the implicit distinction you made was impossible.

Economic reality, as you said. If you really give away the coins and the money really doesn't flow into your pocket, that's one thing. If you "give away the coins" and then next day you happen to mysteriously discover funds to buy a Lambo, that's something else. Much better chance to end up in the slammer in the latter case (though both may still be small risks in an absolute sense, or not).

If you want 100% guarantees, too damn bad. They don't exist. You could do absolutely nothing having to do with coins/investments/securities and the next day you could be out jogging instead of inside coding and get hit in the head by a meteorite and killed.  Everything in life is deciding which risks to take, and even then accepting that much is unknowable and uncontrollable.
3384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash? on: January 11, 2016, 01:30:11 AM
Mixing in Monero is instantaneous.

Sure, there's a learning curve that goes with using the command line/terminal - but it's time well spent it if it saves you from having to wait hours every time you need to mix. And then you know how to use a command line/terminal!

Dash separated transaction mixing back in the summer of '14.

Initially it required mixing while sending, where you'd wait for others to mix and send.

Post-summer '14, it works with premixing the coins (when you don't want to transact) so that when you want to transact later => it's instant / you are sending pre-mixed funds. It's a nice workaround.

That's a neat trick, shifting the mixing time from the sender to the recipient. When you receive coins, you now have to mix them which means you haven't really received them for X amount of time.

The other thing that is going on that makes Darksend even remotely usable is "liquidity providers" which is paying people to Sybil attack the system. That's even worse than trusting masternodes.

3385  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 11, 2016, 12:04:20 AM
Exactly my point proof of work can not be Sybil attacked, and under Bitcoin Unlimited the blocksize limit is determined by the economic majority through proof of work. Not the nodes like you claim, therefore BU is not vulnerable to such an attack vector.

BU nodes do not accept the longest chain if it disagrees with their idea of validity (e.g. block size), until that longest chain is a sufficient number of blocks ahead. This creates forks that will persist for up to an hour or even longer, and can be used for attacks. Many merchant systems currently use 1-3 confirms on Bitcoin and will either have to change that to a higher number or be easily attacked.
3386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: January 10, 2016, 10:35:41 PM
because having less than r/dashpay is just unacceptable!

If you look at the amount of actual discussion going on the difference in community interest is very obvious.

Subscriber counts, etc. that's all shilled bullshit (on every coin). But actual content is harder to fake.

3387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 10, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Well I haven't set up a 'new' (non-deprecated) wallet account yet on 0.9. I was just trying to import old wallets to the newest software for balance checks.

I have tried using nothing and also random passwords but simplewallet always gives the same error. 'Failed to load: invalid password.'  This has me stumped considering others success.

This seems like a strange error, maybe possible edge case where an empty string password wasn't expected.

Can you just import/open the wallet in the previous version (0.8.8.6 or older), and then move the coins to a new wallet, as a possible workaround?

I would started with the oldest one available if you are going to go this route, that would be 0.8.8.3 on Github, see -> https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/releases (scroll down a bit). That might work, if that doesn't work either, I suggest contacting one of the devs (I think fluffypony has the most knowledge of it).

The problem with using the oldest one available is that the fee will be too low by default. You could use the oldest one though, and just make the transaction by RPC call and set a custom fee that will be high enough to get the transaction in a block.

At least using an old version to see if it will open the wallet at all seems like a good first step.
3388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 10, 2016, 08:42:50 AM
Thanks for the answers. I actually realize that I am mining with ~75 H/s and the net hash (of the total network?) is 10.12 MH/s.

75 H/s is not bad at all. I typical desktop will be something like 100-250 depending on CPU.

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Regarding the full node, it seems that currently I am not uploading any data (which seems to be indicated with the 8+0 connections).
Do I actively need to change a setting to be able to connect to another node that opens it's port?

That just shows a count of incoming and outgoing connections, so if you don't have an open port you will always see "__+0". You can still send data to the other nodes. As long as you stay connected and your top block (try "diff" command) matches what you see on chain explorers such as moneroblocks.info, everything is working fine.
3389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 10, 2016, 07:34:28 AM
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I have started my node again and am solo mining.  Instead of using both cores I am now mining with only one.  The second core doesn't increase the HR by 100% but only 30% and using one core enables me to do anything else I want with my supercomputer while getting 25 H/s.

That is perfect. Or even part time (just mine when you aren't using the computer). Every little bit helps. Also, ask your friends to do the same.


I installed version 0.9 and downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Absolutely amazed how quickly it synced (overnight), and only uses ~70 mb of RAM. Amazing job!

About the solo mining you are encouraging. Do I actually make a valuable contribution to the network when I only have 12 MH/s and 8+0 connections (I can't map a port since I do not have access to the router. So I assume I am not a full node).

You are a absolutely a full node.

No question that 12 H/s is very low, but every bit helps. But if your computer is horribly inefficient (e.g. no AESNI) then I wouldn't really encourage it, because it is just wasteful. Better that you help support Monero in other ways.

As I understand it, the only thing you can't do as your ports closed is allow other nodes to download the blockchain  - you can still broadcast new blocks you find to the network.

Even that you can do, if the other node opens its port and yours connects to it. Once the connection is established it works the same regardless of who had the open port.

3390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I'm Tech-Impaired But in Charge of Spearheading Development of an Altcoin on: January 10, 2016, 07:17:44 AM
Hopefully, we would be OK with regard to securities law if we premine 100% and distribute those coins to users of our app at no cost.

I think so if you can also get many other apps to use your coins and create a huge diverse ecosystem for these tokens (but I don't think you can do that without losing your focus on your app!), but consult your own attorney. Note smooth and others felt premine was culpable. I argued against that. None of us are lawyers.

I doubt distributing 100% at no cost is a problem.

How do you prove 100% was distributed not to yourself?

First of all, if you are talking about criminal culpability in a theoretical sense, you don't need to prove anything, the prosecution does. In a practical sense it might help to use KYC-type procedures, have low-barrier methods to receiving free coins without limiting that to only a portion of the distribution, keep good records, etc. Or maybe it is impossible, I don't know.

It certainly isn't the case that every ICO has to be of the form "hey anonymous investorsoh-sorry-I-meant-users, send your BTC to this address and we'll send you some coins, and remember this investmenttoken is not an investment".

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I think you should remove the "100%" and reconsider if that changes your stance since you were stating in my thread that a premine is culpable.

I was responding specifically to the OP's statement here about giving away 100% of the coins. If you don't give away the coins but instead sell them (or do anything else like pretend to give them away while actually keeping them or giving them to privileged affiliated parties) you are likely taking a bigger risk.
3391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I'm Tech-Impaired But in Charge of Spearheading Development of an Altcoin on: January 09, 2016, 11:49:13 PM
Hopefully, we would be OK with regard to securities law if we premine 100% and distribute those coins to users of our app at no cost.

I think so if you can also get many other apps to use your coins and create a huge diverse ecosystem for these tokens (but I don't think you can do that without losing your focus on your app!), but consult your own attorney. Note smooth and others felt premine was culpable. I argued against that. None of us are lawyers.

I doubt distributing 100% at no cost is a problem.

What I suspect will never escape some degree of capability is selling ICO coins. No matter how many times and how many different ways you claim "it isn't an investment" we all know it really is an investment. Prosecutors and judges know too.

But sure get your own legal advice. Better yet, pay multiple lawyers to give you different advice. Then you can pull out whichever one you need and claim good faith since you were relying on competent advice of counsel.
3392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: January 09, 2016, 07:57:00 PM
I prefer the single circle logo. The other one just kind of looks like googly eyes or something.

Circle reminds me startcoin bullshit supported by keiser (famous bullshitter who directly endorsed maxcoin scam), almost same background color and white letter in it. Maybe it's really good idea to keep square instead of circle.

I wouldn't single out any coin. There are literally hundreds of dumb coins with circle logos.

Take a look at coinmarketcap right now. 7 out of the top 10 DO NOT have circle logs (I'm not even sure we should count BTC since it was first out the gate with the circle). 8 out of the bottom 10 on the first page DO have circle logos.

Even if the idea was good when Bitcoin did it, it has been ruined by overuse.
3393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 09, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
Just to let you guys know. moneroblocks.eu is gone. moneroblocks.info is coming.

I forgot to renew the domain and GoDaddy "forgot" to warn me before hand so that they could try to extort an outrageous "Redemption Fee".

So that's that.

 

Seems like Moneroblocks.info is up and running. Moneroblocks.info replaces Moneroblocks.eu.

the logo in top left corner still points at moneroblocks.eu. i use it a lot to navigate, please change.


something completely different: with the coming hardfork, trx will get bigger. are there plans to adapt fees? fees are allready high, we should lower it in my opinion.

Fees for a "typical" (3-4 kB) transaction are 1-2 USD cents.

There is no such thing as perpetual motion. If you are using resources in the system it is reasonable to expect to pay for them, with 1-2 cents not being even close too high.

Or to put it another way, you can send virtually any amount to anyone, anywhere in the world, relatively quickly, and be extremely private about it for well under 1 USD (even assuming much larger tx size, but in most cases still just a few cents). Sounds like a great bargain to me.
3394  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 09, 2016, 01:00:26 AM
Bitcoin Ultra is the new hawtness.   Cheesy

Okay I give up. What the hell is Bitcoin Ultra?
3395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 09, 2016, 12:29:38 AM
904135   57 to go   804096240   c52cf1cd34742dd04df9d4b65d08a16c194ec005cc10dcecbe445c6cf9d32f9b   1/8/2016, 11:56:03 PM   99%
904134   56 to go   804638844   4347790f0898c1a1bc4acf08017ff85961c9315ea8e2f85130f5d33946da0009   1/8/2016, 11:55:38 PM   97%
904132   54 to go   806054613   e19c89ec8f2e54fad785b3fdda6318c016c7a8eba1e8e4548b5a2e3409305b1d   1/8/2016, 11:53:55 PM   99%
904131   53 to go   806025876   c60e6fa1b34d9e2c2111f32461e731017f2f4fce6c000595ce0d3f0f031685bc   1/8/2016, 11:53:32 PM   -53%

Almost 4 consecutive blocks in a row with less than 300kh/s, how is this even possible, probability is like 0.00051% ...

I count 3 fast blocks not 4.

I'm not going to work out the combinatorics and probability, but it just isn't a big deal. Wait long enough and all sorts of "strange" patterns emerge.
3396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 08, 2016, 10:42:22 PM
Ok... Sorry for all the questions, but figured I might as well ask them while we are on a roll.

Now, as for the problems bitcoin is having where the centralization is inevitably occurring with mining farms going on steroids and taking over a good majority of the hashing power... is this monero's fate too if XMR starts to become more mainstream and gains in popularity/price?  Or are you (smooth) still working on smart mining capabilities which balances this out a little bit?

Nobody knows what the future holds. It is a decent bet that if we do everything exactly the same as Bitcoin we will have the same outcome (except always being 5 years behind in maturity and adoption which makes this a bad plan). Trying different things has a possibility to result in a different outcome.

But yes smartmining is still planned. GingerAle made an interesting observation on reddit, that a normal CPU is about the same percentage of Monero's hash rate as an AntMiner S7 is on Bitcoin. The difference, of course, is that you don't have to shell out 1250 USD for one, you just have to run a program.
3397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 08, 2016, 10:34:29 PM

Forgive me, but I think I'm remembering somethings incorrectly... but weren't ring signatures already implemented in Monero before hand?

Ring signatures are inherent to the Monero protocol and achieve untraceability.

Ring Confidential Transactions hides the amounts (amounts are, even though obscured, still visibile on the blockchain and therefore an attack vector) as well, therefore strengthening the anonymity of Monero. CT basically solves a bunch of loose ends of Monero's anonymity.

Ring multi-signature is basically multi-signature (same idea as Bitcoin) for Monero including transactions with ring signatures (all those with mixin > 0). Previously, only multi-signature for transactions with mixin = 0 was possible. If I recall correctly, they will be indistinguishable from "regular" transactions. 

Hope all is clear now.

Oh ok, so it goes like this for the order of development of Monero's anonymity? :

1) Ring Signature  --> 2) CT --> 3) Ring multi-signatures?  I'm assuming 3 combines 1 and 2, plus being able to "sign" messages in a more abstract way?

Yes. Multisig means having multiple people signing a single transaction (e.g. 2/3 means two out of group of three people can spend coins in a wallet, but one person alone couldn't). It could theoretically be done without CT (instead of ring+CT+multi, just ring+multi) but it seems we are combining that with CT now.
3398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 08, 2016, 10:32:01 PM
I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining?  Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

The sort of rig he's talking about is a computer. I imagine he would install Linux and the necessary node, miner, etc. for you but some skills might be necessary to deal with upgrades (unless you pay him or someone else to maintain it for you).
3399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 08, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

Are GPUs more economical than a multicore Xeon (Phi or whatever) CPU?

You'd need a very high end Xeon to get near 1.6 kh/s and those are thousands of dollars just for the processor. So GPUs are certainly more economical in terms of equipment cost. In terms of power it may be more of a horserace but I can't see spending the kind of money necessary to mine at scale with a CPU. The best approach is probably to mine with what you already have (may be CPUs and/or GPUs) and if you want to expand, go with GPUs.

Phi is more of a CPU-GPU hybrid and I haven't see anyone try to mine with those. It could be another sweet spot in theory, especially if you pick up some of the cheap previous-gen models that sometimes come on the market in large quantities (I guess supercomputers upgrading?) but hard to say without someone actually developing and optimized miner and trying it.
3400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do Any Altcoins implement Fixed-Deposit Interest Payments in the Blockchain yet? on: January 08, 2016, 12:18:29 PM
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