BitOnyx,
it isn't so much that Russia banned bitcoins that matters in this case. What matters is that any number of "intelligence" agencies could co-opt the FBI's GIANT BTC stash to buy relatively recent Russian military hardware from Syria and ship it to the Ukrainian army for defensive use against Russia. In this manner the payment for weapons would be pretty anonymous and the weapons would just magically show up painted in brown with Arabic safety information printed on the boxes. Viola, anonymously funded intelligence agency war.
H@shKraker
Yeah or they could just do it the truly anonymous way and swap guns for drugs/gold/oil/diamonds like arms dealers have been doing for decades and not worry about all this bitcoin shit
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Hi Piggles, sure I can do that - I do not see a reason why not. So once I receive my first payment (as I understand it they pay on Sundays, midnight) - what information would you want me to share? I do not see in my profile the wallet of pbminer, I just see my stats. You can also see them here: http://pbmining.com?stats I am customer 2332. My wallet where the coins are sent to is a wallet of a German Bitcoin-Exchange (that I fully and completely trust). Best iFlash PS: Edit: Now I got it - you want to see MY wallet. Sure. The address is: 1FuhuajieMxPepf324Q5Jqc11evy4HUMsG On Sunday, the first payment will be done. Hopefully on sunday we see some freshly mined coins arrive
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Hello Piggies,
I am not that skilled with block chain. Can you elaborate on this? How would you determine that it does not come from "freshly" mined coins?
Let's say, they solve a block and get 25 BTC. Those would go to their pocket and they split it up to many addresses, right?
But if they are themselves in a bigger pool, how would that look like?
Sorry for asking noob question, but I am not sure if I understand where you come from.
Best
iFlash
Just post a link to your mining wallet address on the blockchain and it will be clear whether it's freshly mined coins, or if they are just moving them around from payments they receive. see mine here: https://blockchain.info/address/1ANz1Y6ZR7Fym4tMGzx4Esj4SZp9LCfk59
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Hmm, could it be that they increased that easily because they used to sell mining gear themselves since 2012 (at least that's what the ebay profile of them suggests)? As said before I am mining with them at 1 TH/s. I think that's a decent amount to find out without doubt whether it makes sense mining with them or not. At it stands now, I made 0,014 in about three hours or so. By Sunday I should do something like 0,5 BTC if all goes well. And surely enough, I will report on this. If you want to check them out, I would be more than happy if you used my referral link: http://pbmining.com?ref=iflash11 cause every GH/s counts ... Best iFlash Payouts don't prove it's not a ponzi unless they look like this https://blockchain.info/tx-index/21d59e261bdb4da5c318d1ed563f3d526593647eb01ead0364e6de9d660cbe89If it's just money being transferred from another wallet, and that is always the case, then that is not mining, it's most likely someone paying you back small amounts of your initial investment. A classic ponzi
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Hello everybody, I certainly do not hope that all of them are a fraud. I just bought 1 TH/s at http://pbmining.com?ref=iflash11 and I do hope it was not a foolish investment. @Piggles: I absolutely hear you (I read your word slinging match with one of their admins). But unless the site suddenly disappears we will only know if they are legit if somebody tries to make some money with them. I try this now. And I will keep people posted here. Ahhh, btw: Everybody can see my stats here (I am user #2332): http://pbmining.com/?p=statsSo everybody can follow how I am doing. Maybe I just threw a couple of grand out of the window but my gut feeling tells me: I did not. Still, that does not mean that I will generate revenue. It depends also on how difficulty develops among other things. Let's see … Best iFlash Honestly, I just don't understand why he won't prove he generates coins or has a mining farm. There is no reason not to at least point to some blockchain transactions. Anyone can view who is mining what blocks. Why on earth is it a secret for PBmining alone? It reeks of scam. But good luck to you
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Hello folks, I have tried cloud mining on several platforms but with no real success. The major issue is: The prices for GH/s are way too high (especially on CEX.IO). So I read loads about other services and finally have decided to take the risk and bought 1 TH/s at http://pbmining.com?ref=iflash11 (yes, there is a referral link connected). I had contacted the site support and got a swift reply. The money transferred had been turned into the mining power within less than four hours (they claim it could take up to 12 hours). So far, so good. It will take a good while until I break even and I will report on the outcome on a regular basis. I think that's the only way to find out if it's worth a try or not. I know that some people fear it might be a ponzy scheme. To this day I can not share this view. At the moment it all looks legit to me (otherwise I would not have invested nearly 9 BTCs) in this. But we will see. I will keep on reporting. Best iFlash Since you're a customer of theirs, and they refuse to show proof of generation of coins to any non customers, could you help us out by posting a link to the wallet you use? At 1/th you should be getting around 0.13 btc a day, can you show us this being deposited as newly generated coins? Heres a transaction I received in mining https://blockchain.info/tx-index/21d59e261bdb4da5c318d1ed563f3d526593647eb01ead0364e6de9d660cbe89There's no reason to not post it publically, all the big pools do the same.
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A typical old school miner viewpoint that really doesn't show an understanding of how business often works. There are many reasons to sell out some of your mining resources if you have a lot, but a key one is that you reach a point where you can build up mining resources much cheaper than a lone person can. At that point you can sell mining resources to raise capitol so that you can expand faster than you could by simply reinvesting. Doing this results in faster growth and reduced risk. The business is trading what it is good at for faster growth and actually higher profits.
You might be right, but I'm willing to bet 1 bitcoin that the majority of these firms that are popping up disappear with the funds. Especially the ones who refuse to show they even own a miner, or have ever generated a coin...
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Read the post above yours Roslinpl I explained it quite clearly.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes I will be doing the escrow for gamefixer and his 11 antminer S1's. My fee is 0.5% per escrow transactions. It is March 5th, 2014 4:17 am EST when posting this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.orgiQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTFuvVAAoJEIbvp82qFumj9pcIALvGCGfABBO8RGbOxi0G9WNK 6ah2ZD93eKPjROSLbtueJWB8Y65yh8Oob9VBYHwlajaxW7mJlgaLKrJFnCaskk0r BQGAcd8sWzhZK6NhgYGDa+UVhN9OIzGoogaWAyy3PP3asfhq41aCztquf0tli9zQ IshgCUA2EAbedP/3Vrb0unSr4RXZruxK8ptxAqQSTehH4k+j9XUOuWayTfIH1YO+ OOBpbVjWa9vGPJenxZcr00HEgOLXImy670nEZ6Wbc+ghqX9ig7zELqJoLkZN4rKv bFYdSu92M2ndwrZ0BhtoL8SLqwdWg4a1Pv4g95VRNCjCt0d92SpTX13oHFzzaJw= =k3wG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Someone quote this for proof. does this mean you can't edit it? Yes I thought as much
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes I will be doing the escrow for gamefixer and his 11 antminer S1's. My fee is 0.5% per escrow transactions. It is March 5th, 2014 4:17 am EST when posting this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.orgiQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTFuvVAAoJEIbvp82qFumj9pcIALvGCGfABBO8RGbOxi0G9WNK 6ah2ZD93eKPjROSLbtueJWB8Y65yh8Oob9VBYHwlajaxW7mJlgaLKrJFnCaskk0r BQGAcd8sWzhZK6NhgYGDa+UVhN9OIzGoogaWAyy3PP3asfhq41aCztquf0tli9zQ IshgCUA2EAbedP/3Vrb0unSr4RXZruxK8ptxAqQSTehH4k+j9XUOuWayTfIH1YO+ OOBpbVjWa9vGPJenxZcr00HEgOLXImy670nEZ6Wbc+ghqX9ig7zELqJoLkZN4rKv bFYdSu92M2ndwrZ0BhtoL8SLqwdWg4a1Pv4g95VRNCjCt0d92SpTX13oHFzzaJw= =k3wG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Someone quote this for proof. does this mean you can't edit it?
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the most damaging are the mining ponzis like PBMining.
They doubled their hash rate over night, they won't provide any proof of coin generation, and they're running off with 100+ bitcoins and counting
How exactly does a mining Ponzi work? You send them 1 bitcoin. They pay you 0.08 a week, you think holy shit what a return! 8% weekly! You tell everyone on bitcointalk you're making great returns. After 4 weeks loads more people have invested. You've made 0.32 bitcoins in 4 weeks (you're actually still down 0.68btc) and are busily referring people to the mining ponzi. After however long - mining ponzi operator runs off with all the funds. Exactly the same as any other ponzi, except instead of "high yield investment programs" or "crowd funding IT startups" they're "mining" it's kind of obvious when the "mining" company won't even provide a pic of a single miner or prove they've ever generated a single coin
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Just send me bitcoins, I'll return small amounts to you and claim it's profits from my mining farm, after several weeks you'll be so happy with your mining "profits" that you'll be convinced I am legitimate, and you'll invest more + and refer other people.
I'll sit on an ever growing pile of bitcoins from wannabe miners, paying them a small percentage of their own money, until one day I disappear with it all.
OR just buy your own damn miner, because I cannot find a single mining website that is going to make you money. If it could make you money they wouldn't sell it, and if they are selling it for less money than they could make mining it themselves it's because it doesn't exist.
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Not bad! I used it
Date Registered: Today at 08:02:51 AM Posted: Today at 08:10:37 AM
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Not every terrible investment is a Ponzi scheme. Please use the proper meaning of words.
Mining will most likely lose you money. The seller / operator of a mining program will most likely make money. Doesn't make it a Ponzi scheme.
I know what a ponzi is, I used it completely accurately. Many of these so called "mining" sites are simply taking peoples money and returning it to them and claiming it's mining profits. That is a ponzi. At no point did I call all mining programs ponzis, I said many are simply ponzis.
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Adding "car sales website" to my list of websites to build to get rich quick.
1) bitcoin exchange 2) ponzi scheme 3) car sales website 4) vapor ware shop
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It's a ponzi, at some point the owner pulls the rug out from under everyone.
It's not IF, it's WHEN.
Maybe in this case someone else got hold of the rug?
Even if it comes back, it's a matter of when the owner pulls it
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Most UK/EU laws state that ISPs etc must keep logs don't they?
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doing the math... running a ponzi on this thing is less profitable than running real mining hardware. by a long shot. hes got enough funds to expand from 14Th to 29Th why should he only add 2Th?
i expect well see about 50Th on the next jump.
so you gus who havent run the #s why dont you quit screaming scam. 'nuf said oz
Care to share this math?
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I was looking forward to PBmining adding some hashing power and reopening sales, but when they jumped from 14th to 29th in a matter of days it made me a little skeptical. I asked for proof of coin generation or even a pic of the mining farm but he said neither can be provided due to sales contracts or it could risk jeopardizing their operation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418183.640So, as a newbie to mining, can someone explain what the reasons for this are? why would showing which blocks they mine be a security risk?
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